Legal pot growers, talking about legal pot

[Bill Brasky]

It amuses me that theres only a few (one or two) legal growers who can, or will, discuss their medically approved growing situations.  

This is where they should do it.

I'm probably not gonna moderate this thread, but I might - occasionally delete a comment.  Just to keep people safe.

If anyone wants a person removed, PM me.  I will oblige their privacy, no need for argument.

--to get things started, post bud porn.

This is Pineapple Kush.  Its just a normal-sized bud, but it will absolutely wreck your head.    Enjoy.

[Bill Brasky]

Jersey has signed into law MM, but the requirements are pretty serious.  Growing is forbidden, I believe, and only card-holders can get MM from state-approved dispensaries. 

I foresee this happening to become the "east coast" way, as opposed to the Western liberal methods.

To my knowledge, the furthest East that has any reasonable laws is Michigan.

I don't find it amusing, per se, but it intrigues me that we have very few legal cardholders on this forum.  I guess when people are relatively satisfied with their one biggest gripe, they don't get their hackles up.

Nevada's laws are somewhat difficult, too, from what I reckon.  It takes a while to get your card, and the reasons are pretty cut-and-dried.  You have to have a wasting disease, or some other bad shit.  You can petition if you're not approved, and the number of plants is low. 

I know my back and insomnia could get me a card in Cali, but they don't give a hoot about that in the East Coast requirements.

Its funny how in one place, you're considered a legitimate candidate, and in others, you're not.

In any case, heres bud porn #2, "Auto Blueberry"  - these require almost no skill whatsoever..  Auto-flowering plants do their thing regardless of photo-periods, but they don't produce as much weight. 

[Bill Brasky]

Interesting.  I know that Maine is MM, but I thought they had more stringent requirements. 

Like you, yourself said, getting a grow tag is damn near impossible.

If they have affirmative defense, you still have to be arrested for that to take action. 

Where do Maine MM's get their weed?

[Bill Brasky]

Reading some stuff on Maine now. 

Seems like they rolled back a bunch of complicated shit.

If it wasn't so fucking inhospitable, I might be interested.

[Bill Brasky]

Learn about Maine laws.

You haven't have to register with the state since last summer. Just a doctors note. IIRC, the only other state like that is Cali.

Registration:
Voluntary until Dec. 31, 2010
"Patients using marijuana under the old informal system will have their 'affirmative defense' expire on that date. Thereafter, they will need a patient card issued in Maine." (Aug. 19, 2010 email from Maine's Division of Licensing and Regulatory Services)


Someone's got their wires crossed.  Not meaning you.  But there is a paradoxical thing between "not required" and "required after 12/31/10"

I'd definitely want to talk to a NORML lawyer if I got myself involved in any way, and thought I was legal.

That's from PROCON, by the way.

[Bill Brasky]

So, its not like Cali at all. 

[Bill Brasky]

The part that's NOT like more Western states is, its cold, and I don't trust rednecks to follow the rules. 

I like the leniency they purport, but I could see it turning to shit on someone - just the numbers game.  Theres no population.  They have all day long to dig up your ass, and it's a good excuse to fuck with your kids and house and guns and finances. 

To be completely honest, I hardly consider Maine a state.  Which is probably a good thing.  But I'd rather they had that attitude in Louisiana.  Then I'd be interested.

The reason I consider Michigan to be the most Easterly supportive state is because of the progressive attitude of Ann Arbor.  Its like an island inside an island.  But alas, also cold.

Everything East of that is basically jerking around. 





 

[Fred]

All hail fucking California!

[Turd Ferguson]

All hail fucking California!

You can go right ahead and fuck California.

Its too big.

I'll fuck New Mexico. Much more manageable.

[BonerJoe]

Utah has a nice, tight hole.

[Bill Brasky]

Well, lets take Maryland, for example.  They have MM on the books.  Now, try to find a doctor to recommend it.

Same with Jersey.

And, both have pretty tight grasp on the distribution/dispensary chain.

The fact remains, the East is, by and large, tight-assed.  You found an exception, great.  Laws can be repealed, you know...  Put Santorum in office, we may get to see it in action. 

Also, while that may be true about Michigan, look up the rules about Ann Arbor.  They have their own spin on the law(s).

Now, talking about population, I've found that low population is not always a good thing.  It depends on the circumstances.  Sometimes you're left alone, sometimes you're singled out. 

Every situation is different.

As far as cold goes, its a big problem for me.  I don't like it.  I don't like any climate where exposure can kill you, and burning umpteen-million BTU's is a necessity.  I don't particularly care how "free" the rest of the society is; in a SHTF scenario, you're fuckin' dead if you need to acquire combustible energy, and thats a fact.  Poor planning and a harsh price for a fuckin' buzz.  Places where the grid fails easily and has old infrastructure engineering tends to go down more frequently, which is just inconvenient.

As far as I'm concerned, that's just Maine's way of attracting people to stay. 

If I was interested in a cold(ish) region, I'd opt for Oregon.  And, in fact, I just might.  At least theres things to do. 








 

[Sovereign Curtis]

As far as cold goes, its a big problem for me.  I don't like it.  I don't like any climate where exposure can kill you, and burning umpteen-million BTU's is a necessity.  I don't particularly care how "free" the rest of the society is; in a SHTF scenario, you're fuckin' dead if you need to acquire combustible energy, and thats a fact.  Poor planning and a harsh price for a fuckin' buzz.  Places where the grid fails easily and has old infrastructure engineering tends to go down more frequently, which is just inconvenient.
 

Fuel grows on trees, up here.

[Bill Brasky]

As far as cold goes, its a big problem for me.  I don't like it.  I don't like any climate where exposure can kill you, and burning umpteen-million BTU's is a necessity.  I don't particularly care how "free" the rest of the society is; in a SHTF scenario, you're fuckin' dead if you need to acquire combustible energy, and thats a fact.  Poor planning and a harsh price for a fuckin' buzz.  Places where the grid fails easily and has old infrastructure engineering tends to go down more frequently, which is just inconvenient.
 

Fuel grows on trees, up here.

Ya, it does.  I'm pretty familiar with the ways and means.  Growing up, lots of friends used wood.  I've stacked more cordwood than I care to remember, helping my pals do their chores.  And I know one thing, it can't be done with a broken limb very easily. 

If you are familiar with the term "heating degree days", you will understand the climatology of your location dictates a mean-average of 20 heating-degree days over a 365 day year, which is arrived at by taking 7600/365 =20, minused from room temp of 65, means the average hourly temp all-told is 45 degrees.



Now..  a total added score of 7600 is fairly severe.  This is a substantial amount of heating required to maintain comfort.

I would rather be in a climate where the HDD mean was approaching zero, meaning I didn't have to burn any BTU's to maintain comfort, or for that matter, survival.  At the very least, neglecting this can cause pipes to burst if the entire house is not warmed above freezing.  Worst case is obviously death by hypothermia.  Of course, in a rental unit, if you have no wood burner, you die. 

Ideally, in a more tropical location, the comfort factor works in the opposite, where you have cooling degree days, meaning the average is above 65.  Then you can just use a one-room AC if you prefer it to be a little more comfortable.  Or, just sweat it out.

[Turd Ferguson]

[Bill Brasky]

Ideally, you'd want to be somewhere along the northern green area (lower map).  38th parallel, or thereabouts.  Notice how all the Southern states northern borders divide along the 37ish longitude.  Theres a reason for that, and I didn't invent maps. 



Heres the climatological breakdown according to the Kloppen scale.  I didn't invent that, either.



The reason is, it might get cold, but it usually doesn't experience severe cold winters.  Even boat people follow these guides, to distinguish where it's climatologically reasonable to live-aboard a boat.  Ice might occur, but it doesn't get super-thick.  It can be avoided with bubbler systems under a boat or dock.  This translates to soil, as well.  It'll freeze, but you don't have to dig deep to get below the frost line.

In these areas, its potentially "better" for harvesting solar power, because of all the sunlight hours added up.  It doesn't get so fuckin grey that solar panels are unfeasible for long periods.

Yes, you may have to burn some wood, at times.  But its all a matter of how much. 

The dark blue is completely inhospitable, in my opinion.  And those lines aren't exactly cut in stone, the area where dark blue and light blue meet aren't a breakout area where everything becomes golden.

I would rather err on the side of caution, and be comfortable in a climate that supports mild winters.    Its not necessarily true that the snakes and bugs are bigger.  I have big snakes here, and we get some damn cold winters.

Now!  How does this translate to growing pot?  Well, it kinda does.  I don't want to have to work especially hard to ensure my survival, and I don't want to work especially hard to ensure the survival of outdoor plants, either.

Marijuana can, and is, grown in northern climates.  Lots of people do it.  But it grows better in more favorable climates.  They get better sunlight, longer summers, and outdoors, severe unexpected snap-frosts can kill plants of any kind. 

Ideally, I would want to have land and climate at my disposal that would grow whatever I want.  Outdoor pot requires a longish growing period, with a really good mid-growth period.  Any plant requires a flowering period that allows the gardener to harvest properly.  Everybody knows it's better to grow "harvest" plants in a climate that has tropical qualities, where your season isn't squished into a delicate balance and calendar deadlines. 

I suppose those personal requirements don't exactly fall into the "legal" part of this thread, exactly.  But they're not entirely pointless concerns, either.  I have a personal preference, and would like to grow outdoors, legally.  Without using power and expensive equipment, that's how I'd like to produce any shit I personally consume.

It disappoints me that in that "green zone", there are no legal states where I could live my life the way I want.  I don't want to sacrifice all my other personal desires just because of where I can legally grow dope.  I think it's pretty shitty thats how my personal choices checkmate themselves.