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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2011, 05:04:42 PM »

I should have said "I like the slide-out pliers and inside folding locking blades type knife" (only Gerber makes them).

Might be the exact one I like. I've had mine for over ten years and have used it just about every day either at work, or for something I need done at home. Never had a problem with it, cept having to sharpen the blade on the knife every now and then. Other than that........ nothing. The thing is sturdy.

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2011, 05:21:07 PM »

I like the Hemp protein powder from http://hempusa.org/

Its $100 for a 5lb container, and tastes good in milk to me.

The Survival Podcast has many sponsers and ides for storing food but, I haven't tried any of them.
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2011, 06:09:14 PM »

If I had to store grains for a long time, I'd probably put a garbage bag inside a 5-gallon bucket and fill 'er up.  Tie a knot in it, hard.  Snap the lid on.

If that doesn't keep pests out, you've got some damn determined pests.

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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2011, 06:56:52 PM »

They suggest oxygen absorbers and light blocking bags when you do that.  Supposedly the litter critter's eggs are in just about every type bean and rice we buy. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2011, 08:13:45 PM »

Makes sense.  I can see the need for a desiccant.  I donno how much light would filter through a bucket, black bag, in a dimly-lit cellar, though. 

I used to use black "lawn bags" on my windows when I worked the midnights, so I could sleep in the day.  Regular garbage bags don't work, they look amber when the light comes through.  But the heavy 14-mil lawn+construction bags, jet black.  Superblack.  Ultra-black.  Blacker than black. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2011, 08:27:32 PM »

I'd be hesitant to use garbage bags if the food was going directly into them. They're just not designed to come in direct contact with food. (Not sure if that's what you meant, though.)
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2011, 02:07:48 AM »

I'd be hesitant to use garbage bags if the food was going directly into them. They're just not designed to come in direct contact with food. (Not sure if that's what you meant, though.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDPE

Generally, the only difference between "industrial" plastic applications and food-grade plastic (if its "PE") is the food-grade has to use edible, food-grade lubricants in the manufacturing process. 

Minus that difference, this is what they make many food containment products.  Saran wrap, milk jugs, sandwich bags - you name it. 

Its not really the plastic itself, but the FDA requirements of hair nets, factory conditions, and lubricants. 

I'd be more concerned about the pesticides and "acceptable" contaminants like rat droppings than the off-gassing of the plastic.  That same plastic is soda bottles, etc.  Even the white pickle-buckets, polyethylene.

Just sayin'.   

The only plsatic you should be concerned with (for long-term storage) is the PVC with the recycle code #3

Heres a handy-dandy chart..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin_identification_code

 
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2011, 02:31:04 AM »

The only "real" way to pack stuff for long term storage is:

Line a bucket with food grade metallic mylar bags
Pour your crap in it and fill it up only enough so that you can seal it
Take it out of the bucket
Flush it with nitrogen
Put in an oxygen absorber in the bag
Vacuum seal it

If you do it that way, it will store pretty much indefenetly. I'm guessing its about $500 in equipment to do it the right way.

Or you can just buy it already done for you. You'd probably have to pack about a ton of stuff before you broke even  in terms of DIY or buying it in a bucket already.

It makes sense to get the freshest available product to store, too. Do it in the fall, after harvest. Etc.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2011, 03:18:45 AM »

Thats pretty neat. 

How about blue five-gallon water jugs, tap a bung into it, then dip the top in hot wax? 

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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2011, 03:57:40 AM »

Not bad. But depending on the price of the container...
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2011, 10:23:08 AM »

I like the simplicity of the sealed 5 gallon bucket, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to stop the moths... plus, I have my underage kitchen helpers who might not seal it all the way. I'll save BJ's impressive storage method for when zombies/apes/robots/mother nature rise up to destroy humans and I need to think L-O-N-G term storage for safe transport on our trek to higher ground.

 I'm going to try buying a 10# bag each of the multigrain (gluten free) and all purpose flour I like and scooping it into 1 gal ziploc bags. In four weeks as I'm using up the last of it, if I don't have a flock of pantry moths, I'll know I've found what works.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2011, 06:26:08 PM »

I'd be hesitant to use garbage bags if the food was going directly into them. They're just not designed to come in direct contact with food. (Not sure if that's what you meant, though.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDPE

Generally, the only difference between "industrial" plastic applications and food-grade plastic (if its "PE") is the food-grade has to use edible, food-grade lubricants in the manufacturing process. 

Minus that difference, this is what they make many food containment products.  Saran wrap, milk jugs, sandwich bags - you name it. 

Its not really the plastic itself, but the FDA requirements of hair nets, factory conditions, and lubricants. 

I'd be more concerned about the pesticides and "acceptable" contaminants like rat droppings than the off-gassing of the plastic.  That same plastic is soda bottles, etc.  Even the white pickle-buckets, polyethylene.

Just sayin'.   

The only plsatic you should be concerned with (for long-term storage) is the PVC with the recycle code #3

Heres a handy-dandy chart..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin_identification_code

 

Learn something new every day!
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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2011, 01:57:40 AM »

I like the simplicity of the sealed 5 gallon bucket, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to stop the moths... plus, I have my underage kitchen helpers who might not seal it all the way. I'll save BJ's impressive storage method for when zombies/apes/robots/mother nature rise up to destroy humans and I need to think L-O-N-G term storage for safe transport on our trek to higher ground.

 I'm going to try buying a 10# bag each of the multigrain (gluten free) and all purpose flour I like and scooping it into 1 gal ziploc bags. In four weeks as I'm using up the last of it, if I don't have a flock of pantry moths, I'll know I've found what works.

I have no idea where I heard this, if it's true, or to what extent it's even logical...but I heard if you freeze it for a couple days and then take it out it should be fine.  Sounds crazy to me, but you may not have much to lose.
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Re: Bulk food storage, sources, and buying experiences.
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2011, 04:17:11 AM »

I like the simplicity of the sealed 5 gallon bucket, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to stop the moths... plus, I have my underage kitchen helpers who might not seal it all the way. I'll save BJ's impressive storage method for when zombies/apes/robots/mother nature rise up to destroy humans and I need to think L-O-N-G term storage for safe transport on our trek to higher ground.

 I'm going to try buying a 10# bag each of the multigrain (gluten free) and all purpose flour I like and scooping it into 1 gal ziploc bags. In four weeks as I'm using up the last of it, if I don't have a flock of pantry moths, I'll know I've found what works.


You could sift the flour, and seal into 1lb. Ziploc bags, and then toss them into the 5lb. storage container. less mess that way.

If you hated yourself, you could also bake the flour into hardtack, which would make it last longer than bread.
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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2011, 07:47:23 AM »

I'm going to try buying a 10# bag each of the multigrain (gluten free) and all purpose flour I like and scooping it into 1 gal ziploc bags. In four weeks as I'm using up the last of it, if I don't have a flock of pantry moths, I'll know I've found what works.

I have no idea where I heard this, if it's true, or to what extent it's even logical...but I heard if you freeze it for a couple days and then take it out it should be fine.  Sounds crazy to me, but you may not have much to lose.

You probably heard it from somebody's grandma in Florida. Makes sense too, since it's even warmer and more humid than Georgia, where I'm convinced I'm brining the little hatchlings home from the store in my paper flour sacks.

Looking it up and giving it a try - thanks Lindsay!
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