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Kelvin

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I personally wonder if prison it is in some of our futures at some point (especially the hardcore activists), even though most of them are not "real" criminals.  By not being "real", I believe it is impossible to live anything resembling a "normal" life in this country without breaking many minor laws / regulations every day.  

With the way things are changing in the USA, actions clearly protected by the Bill of Rights could soon be judged very serious offenses.  It is not inconceivable that those who take action in defense of their freedom could be imprisoned as terrorists or Sedition.

Check out this definition, it wouldn't be difficult to apply this to a lot of activities I hear about on FTL.

From Wikipedia:

Sedition:
"In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition...."

Insurrection:
"Rebellion, uprising or insurrection, is a refusal of obedience or order.[1] It may, therefore, be seen as encompassing a range of behaviors aimed at destroying or replacing an established authority such as a government or a head of state. On the one hand the forms of behaviors can include non-violent methods such as the (overlapping but not quite identical) phenomena of civil disobedience, civil resistance and nonviolent resistance."

What say you all?  Think in the next few years activists will start being charged with sedition / insurrection?

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Re: Activism and Incarceration at the Hands of the State.... What if?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 12:00:41 AM »

I suppose being put in jail is slightly better than being shot by the red coats. At least it isn't death.
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Re: Activism and Incarceration at the Hands of the State.... What if?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 12:17:39 AM »

I suppose being put in jail is slightly better than being shot by the red coats. At least it isn't death.

Ten times more soldiers died at the docks in prison ships than in the Revolutionary War battles.

Gavrilo Princip died in jail during WW1 from the horrible conditions of the jail.
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Re: Activism and Incarceration at the Hands of the State.... What if?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 02:38:51 AM »

Actually New Hampshire (New Hamster as my niece calls it) is probably one of the best places for anti government speech in the country since the right to revolution is written into the State Constitution.  Granted it won't protect anyone from the Federal Jackbooted thugs.
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Re: Activism and Incarceration at the Hands of the State.... What if?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2012, 03:01:35 AM »

I suppose being put in jail is slightly better than being shot by the red coats. At least it isn't death.

Ten times more soldiers died at the docks in prison ships than in the Revolutionary War battles.

Gavrilo Princip died in jail during WW1 from the horrible conditions of the jail.
I would say that that would be more of delayed execution rather than jail.
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Re: Activism and Incarceration at the Hands of the State.... What if?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2012, 03:06:51 AM »

I suppose being put in jail is slightly better than being shot by the red coats. At least it isn't death.

Ten times more soldiers died at the docks in prison ships than in the Revolutionary War battles.

Gavrilo Princip died in jail during WW1 from the horrible conditions of the jail.
I would say that that would be more of delayed execution rather than jail.

I keep hearing people saying stuff to the effect of "the can't jail us all" but, in fact, they can! The conditions will get progressively worse, tho. And if you don't believe a large mass of people involved in an insurgency can be jailed, remember that the Boers were sent to concentration camps by the British during the Boer war. They sent in almost everybody.
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Re: Activism and Incarceration at the Hands of the State.... What if?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2012, 04:05:42 AM »

I keep hearing people saying stuff to the effect of "the can't jail us all" but, in fact, they can! The conditions will get progressively worse, tho. And if you don't believe a large mass of people involved in an insurgency can be jailed, remember that the Boers were sent to concentration camps by the British during the Boer war. They sent in almost everybody.
Nowhere did I say "the can't jail us all" so I don't know why you're responding to me with that.
What I said was that locking you up in a way where you're almost certain to die is like a slow execution instead of jail.
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