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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: hellbilly on March 07, 2010, 08:15:42 PM
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Any drug, totally legal.
What would your habits be, assuming you'd partake ?
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1/2 gram of MDMA every concert.
1/8th of mushrooms every Halloween.
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I would probably experiment with a few, but doubt I would use anything regularly. I don't have much of an addictive personality.
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I'd be like this little fella..........
(http://www.pestiside.hu/entry_images/drug-monkey.jpg)
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Still won't use `em.
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Exactly the same as they are now,
except much less affected by fluctuations in expendable income, and I'd travel more with them.
Oh and less hassle obtaining pure sources of certain things.
We are not in some big brother super state. Following a few simple guidelines and safety precautions reduces your risk of being jailed for drug ownership to virtually 0.
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Exactly the same as they are now,
except much less affected by fluctuations in expendable income, and I'd travel more with them.
Oh and less hassle obtaining pure sources of certain things.
We are not in some big brother super state. Following a few simple guidelines and safety precautions reduces your risk of being jailed for drug ownership to virtually 0.
Pretty much this. If recreational drugs were legal, I wouldn't take them any more often....but I would be willing to take them on vacation, because being in a time and place without obligation is the best time for it. And (just as now) I would only do so when accompanied by good friends, because I hate the idea of being under the influence around strangers.
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I used to smoke pot, but gave that up years ago. I might consider it, if I had some sort of physical aliment. But, I have neither the time nor the desire to do it otherwise, legal or not.
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And (just as now) I would only do so when accompanied by good friends, because I hate the idea of being under the influence around strangers.
Depends on the drug.
Something that makes you overly vulnerable or sensitive to other people (specially people who don't know how to sit a tripper, or dumbasses who think its fun to mess with trippers) is definitely not a good idea around strangers, but some drugs can be very well suited to being around new people.
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And (just as now) I would only do so when accompanied by good friends, because I hate the idea of being under the influence around strangers.
Depends on the drug.
Something that makes you overly vulnerable or sensitive to other people (specially people who don't know how to sit a tripper, or dumbasses who think its fun to mess with trippers) is definitely not a good idea around strangers, but some drugs can be very well suited to being around new people.
I knew a guy in Cali who used to take marijuana for his social anxiety disorder.
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smoke a joint now and then, maybe mushrooms on very special occasions (like once in a blue moon when i need a good kick in the ass to put things into perspective), did my share of acid in high school and would try it again if i could get my hands on it but that would also be used the same as mushrooms (far and in between)...
never had an urge to put anything in my nose or in my veins with a needle, so even if legalized, i probably wouldn't go for it anything like that
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I've tried coke once and liked it very much. Maybe do it once in awhile depending on price. Could be a Friday night thing. Pot would be out, as it is now, because it only make me sleepy. And by sleeply, I mean I fall into a deep restful sleep within 10 minutes. Maybe this is sign that I am not getting good sleep? Hmmm... now I am wondering if pot is good cure for sleep abnea.
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I would probably still not use anything recreational, but I would love the freedom of being able to get my hands on whatever drug might benefit myself or family, instead of having to hope Big Brother authorizes use of it. Imagine if my Dr. could just tell me over the phone what I should be taking and then I could just go and get it, instead of having to get a permission slip.
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Pot every now and then, possibly in butter or foods to avoid the smoke.
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My usage wouldn't change, but I would prolly get into a new line of work.
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I started thinking about this after coming across more info about William Pickard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Leonard_Pickard). That guy was producing clean, quality LSD and now sits in jail for doing so. From the descriptions of what he made and the time frame in which they were made, I figure I've sampled at least a couple of his goods.
I tried acid before pot or anything else and never really enjoyed any drugs other than hallucinogens. So if there were no laws against taking a trip now and again- that's what I would do. Shrooms & microdots too. Never had an interest in coke either and haven't tried MDMA or salvia.
(The info I came across was about Gordon Skinner (http://www.freepickard.org/skinner.html). Apparently he injected someone with some dope that resulted in an OD, so he went to the DEA to rat out Pickard in order to avoid being charged with that crime.)
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I used to read countless amounts of books on psychedelics when I was in high school. My dad gave me a mushroom growers guide when I was 16ish or 17ish???? Never grew any, but I can say that most of the mushrooms I have taken....... have started out mellow but later on I always end up debating with the devil.
Over here they sell a lot of "philosophers stone" sorts of truffles, I think they are still legal in the states, not sure, have to check the laws back at home but I know you can order em from magictruffles.com or something. First night I tried some I think the "mexicana" ones, they kicked my ass majorly and I ALMOST never wanted to do them again.
As far as weed goes, it makes me sleepy, super sleepy. If I wanna have a kickass night of sleep, I can take two hits and be out for 6 hours atleast. I have to say we walked into a coffee shop in Amsterdam and smoked half of one pure joint and I thought I was going to have to be carried back to the hotel (it was insane compared to what I used to get in NC). So it sounds pretty lame/cliche/whatever but if you do smoke and/or grow, Amsterdam is worth the trip... The hemp museum is really cool, the seed banks are cool too. The touristy coffee shops suck but Basjoe and Cafe Rusland on the outskirts of redlight are really cool!
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smoke a joint now and then, maybe mushrooms on very special occasions (like once in a blue moon when i need a good kick in the ass to put things into perspective), did my share of acid in high school and would try it again if i could get my hands on it but that would also be used the same as mushrooms (far and in between)...
never had an urge to put anything in my nose or in my veins with a needle, so even if legalized, i probably wouldn't go for it anything like that
This. minus the experience with acid
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Pot every now and then, possibly in butter or foods to avoid the smoke.
Have you tried a vaporizer (a good one, not a shitty $70 one)?
Pot would be out, as it is now, because it only make me sleepy. And by sleeply, I mean I fall into a deep restful sleep within 10 minutes.
As far as weed goes, it makes me sleepy, super sleepy. If I wanna have a kickass night of sleep, I can take two hits and be out for 6 hours atleast.
Have either of you tried a good Sativa (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=sativa+vs+indica&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=)?
Most black market weed is Indica or has majority Indica genetics, since its more profitable.
The difference in effects between a strong indica and a strong sativa is almost as striking as the difference between cannabis and some other drugs.
super abridged version :
Indica makes you sleepy/relaxed
Sativa makes you trippy/energetic
Of course theres huge variation within these broad classifications, and storage/curing technique can have almost as strong an effect on end effects as genetics.
Since weed isn't just one drug, but a collection of many different psychoactive compounds, you should really shop around to see which kind of strains you prefer, something the current black market isn't very useful for.
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I could go for a trippy/relaxed combo if that exists. Last time I smoked pot (no idea what variety it was) I was completely paranoid. Wasn't much fun.
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I'd be buying my drugs at Walmart, or at Costco about two or three times a year. I'd probably never touch alcohol, with the exception of an occasional glass of red wine, also purchased at Walmart or Costco. I'd be very happy to get cheap pot for my spinal malady, and I'd probably just buy it in cookie form. Otherwise, I'd probably ingest the same stuff I am now, but I'd have to look at a drug buyer's guide to see what stuff there is that's not addictive that I might be interested in occasionally partaking in (perhaps speed, or something like it, from time to time, such as when traveling by car.)
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Have either of you tried a good Sativa?
In Amsterdam, it was a Sativa that knocked me on my ass in the coffee shop and I almost wanted to cry because it was so hard to walk back to my hotel, my hotel was one door over from the coffee shop.
Also got some hash in Maastricht once that made me hallucinate and then (I think) vomit. First part was fun, second part could have also been a hallucination/dream but I still have no idea.
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Probably a lot like now, only I could probably buy joints from vending machines like you can with cigarettes.
I might buy a gram of coke or a little opium once in a while, just to see what it's like.
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I'd probably try marijuana once. But it doesn't seem like anything I'd get in to.
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Washington State voters are soon going to decide whether to legalize marijuana. So far, the measure is doing pretty well. Even our local prosecutor favors the measure. "We're wasting resources trying these minor little pot cases," he says. In the unlikely event it actually passes, it will be interesting to see what happens.
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Wouldn't change; I still wouldn't partake in any. Never wanted to before, and it sure as hell isn't because of the law.
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Washington State voters are soon going to decide whether to legalize marijuana. So far, the measure is doing pretty well. Even our local prosecutor favors the measure. "We're wasting resources trying these minor little pot cases," he says. In the unlikely event it actually passes, it will be interesting to see what happens.
That's nice. I hope it passes. I'm very happy to see how much more legalizing marijuana is being openly discussed. Of course, I still don't want it in my home. I can't stand the nasty smell of the stuff.
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I probably wouldn't change my habits. I hate the idea of smoking, injecting, or snorting anything. There's also something about mushrooms in general that makes me sick, so I don't think I'd be doing any shrooms, either. Currently, I drink alcohol fairly infrequently, almost always socially, and never to excess. I also avoid caffeine most of the time. I might consider LSD or something, but it's really hard to say. I'm not all that interested.
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Salvia was just banned in WI last week officially. The ASSHOLES!
(edit: exceptions apply of course)
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If the freedom of the free-market allowed some entrepreneurial drug manufacturer to come up with a drug that gives you the high of ecstacy without the shitty come down, then I'd probably do that every other big night out.
Otherwise, nothing would change. I'd occasionally do weed, occasionally do a line or two of coke, and very occasionally, if it's a huge special occasion, do some ecstacy or MDMA.
It'd be awesome being able to get safe product in exact quantities though!
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Common misconception: many assume cannabis must be smoked, rather than ingested in other forms.
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Common misconception: many assume cannabis must be smoked, rather than ingested in other forms.
I wouldnt doubt some people I know would be consuming cannabis butter for medicinal purposes (arthritis pain, etc). Personally, I'd like to be able to cook with it and experiment with recipes without the fear of the roommate turning me in (she's a bitch).
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Common misconception: many assume cannabis must be smoked, rather than ingested in other forms.
I wouldnt doubt some people I know would be consuming cannabis butter for medicinal purposes (arthritis pain, etc). Personally, I'd like to be able to cook with it and experiment with recipes without the fear of the roommate turning me in (she's a bitch).
Food, really is, in my opinion, the best for pain (and you're looking for primarily indica here, not sativa.) My pain is transient, so sometimes I might wake up with it, or develop it in a stressful situation. When that happens, relief from food can be a little slow, and I may use tincture or vapor, but I always go with the food as well, because I've found it works best against the pain without as much euphoric effect (unless I eat too much.)
If you can cook elsewhere, sugar cookie mix (with medicinal butter) may be the thing for you, as they have a good shelf life and don't seem to stink much (I sprinkle cinnamon on them.) You can do the butter by putting the active material in water with the butter in a crock pot for a few hours, stirring occasionally. Whenever you process medicine you want a temperature that stays over 80C and never goes over 140C (I try to keep it between 220F and 260F when doing oil, but when doing butter in water, you can't overdo it unless you boil the water away.)
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i have made a few decent cups of weed-tea with peppermint and what not. had some pretty kick ass chocolate cupcakes too :D
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Common misconception: many assume cannabis must be smoked, rather than ingested in other forms.
The first time I ever had cannabis I ate it in a muffin.
I got so fucking high I lost my mind.
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wheed.
i would still only do it on the weekend or camping.
not a hard-core doper.
but i'd grow the shit right out in the open.
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I'd have a greenhouse.
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I'd have a greenhouse.
shit yes.
in the cold climes, to get one thru the laborious winters
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Probably not much would change. Maybe I'd smoke weed a couple times a month or something. Can't do anything useful when I'm high, I find.
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I'd have a greenhouse.
Maybe this.
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alcohol's a drug too...
i'd be boilin corn likker like popcorn sutton...and sellin' it at the farmer's market in mason jars..
yee-fukkin-haa
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This is not criticism of your comment, but something I've been thinking about in that regard:
"alcohol is a drug"
I know the context is to remind people that it's a mind-altering chemical (I think, and I like the idea, in general), but I'm wondering if "drug" is really the right word--for alcohol in specific.
What I mean by that is unlike pot, for example, alcohol is a poison and the effect of the poisoning makes you high. In my opinion, this makes alcohol worse than just a drug. If drug laws made any sense (forget the morality for a moment), one that poisons you would not be practically encouraged while possession (in enough quantity) of alternatives that don't is a felony. :shock:
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What I mean by that is unlike pot, for example, alcohol is a poison and the effect of the poisoning makes you high. In my opinion, this makes alcohol worse than just a drug. If drug laws made any sense (forget the morality for a moment), one that poisons you would not be practically encouraged while possession (in enough quantity) of alternatives that don't is a felony. :shock:
How do you define "poison" in such a way as to include alcohol but exclude other recreational drugs?
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What I mean by that is unlike pot, for example, alcohol is a poison and the effect of the poisoning makes you high.
it's only poisonous to the system in high quantities.
ie; medical profession stating that 2 glasses of wine (spec. red) a day is better for you than no booze at all...and those tested were healthier than tea-totallers;
also,alcohol has medicinal uses as well.
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This is not criticism of your comment, but something I've been thinking about in that regard:
"alcohol is a drug"
I know the context is to remind people that it's a mind-altering chemical (I think, and I like the idea, in general), but I'm wondering if "drug" is really the right word--for alcohol in specific.
What I mean by that is unlike pot, for example, alcohol is a poison and the effect of the poisoning makes you high. In my opinion, this makes alcohol worse than just a drug. If drug laws made any sense (forget the morality for a moment), one that poisons you would not be practically encouraged while possession (in enough quantity) of alternatives that don't is a felony. :shock:
That includes nearly every other drug besides weed.
LSD, DMT, Salvinorin, Psilocin and such are much more poisonous than alcohol, in terms of how much of a pure solution you'd actually have to drink to kill yourself.
That said the "good times" dose of those drugs is much much lower than the lethal dose, whereas with alcohol, its relatively close, especially as people develop massive tolerance to alcohol much easier than hallucinagens.
There are many hardened alcoholics who drink very close of what would be lethal doses of alcohol to me every day, and the same can't be said for most hallucingen users.
If you want to say Alcohol is worse than most people think/most other drugs, you can say that, you don't have to start calling alcohol poison.
Poison and drug are two distinct terms. Not all drugs are poisonous and not all poisons are drugs. Alcohol happens to be one of the many drugs that is fairly poisonous and psychoactive.
make like the germans and composite.
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What I mean by that is unlike pot, for example, alcohol is a poison and the effect of the poisoning makes you high. In my opinion, this makes alcohol worse than just a drug. If drug laws made any sense (forget the morality for a moment), one that poisons you would not be practically encouraged while possession (in enough quantity) of alternatives that don't is a felony. :shock:
How do you define "poison" in such a way as to include alcohol but exclude other recreational drugs?
Well, between cannabis and alcohol, it's easy. Cannabis just tickles receptors, and can't kill you in any likely dose (you'd have to eat several whole plants.) The way alcohol works is by poisoning you. Don't know enough about others, but I don't think any of them work by poisoning you.
I'll have to mull over the responses. Maybe the sentiment only reasonably applies to cannabis, and not other drugs, though I think it's important that alcohol works by poisoning. I guess a lot of drugs may. I'm aware that moderate poisoning can be tolerated if there's a positive side effect (such as with red wine, where it's not actually the alcohol that's good for you, but apparently a reagent.)
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What I mean by that is unlike pot, for example, alcohol is a poison and the effect of the poisoning makes you high. In my opinion, this makes alcohol worse than just a drug. If drug laws made any sense (forget the morality for a moment), one that poisons you would not be practically encouraged while possession (in enough quantity) of alternatives that don't is a felony. :shock:
How do you define "poison" in such a way as to include alcohol but exclude other recreational drugs?
Well, between cannabis and alcohol, it's easy. Cannabis just tickles receptors, and can't kill you in any likely dose (you'd have to eat several whole plants.) The way alcohol works is by poisoning you. Don't know enough about others, but I don't think any of them work by poisoning you.
Again, please define what "poisoning you" means. Because when I look at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol), I see this:
The most commonly used alcohol is ethanol, C2H5OH, with the ethane backbone. Ethanol has been produced and consumed by humans for millennia, in the form of fermented and distilled alcoholic beverages, and was isolated by the Persian alchemist Rāzi (Rhazes) around 900 AD. It is a clear flammable liquid that boils at 78.4 °C, which is used as an industrial solvent, car fuel, and raw material in the chemical industry. In the US and some other countries, because of legal and tax restrictions on alcohol consumption, ethanol destined for other uses often contains additives that make it unpalatable (such as Bitrex) or poisonous (such as methanol). Ethanol in this form is known generally as denatured alcohol; when methanol is used, it may be referred to as methylated spirits ("Meths") or "surgical spirits".
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What I mean by that is unlike pot, for example, alcohol is a poison and the effect of the poisoning makes you high. In my opinion, this makes alcohol worse than just a drug. If drug laws made any sense (forget the morality for a moment), one that poisons you would not be practically encouraged while possession (in enough quantity) of alternatives that don't is a felony. :shock:
How do you define "poison" in such a way as to include alcohol but exclude other recreational drugs?
Well, between cannabis and alcohol, it's easy. Cannabis just tickles receptors, and can't kill you in any likely dose (you'd have to eat several whole plants.) The way alcohol works is by poisoning you. Don't know enough about others, but I don't think any of them work by poisoning you.
Again, please define what "poisoning you" means. Because when I look at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol), I see this:
The most commonly used alcohol is ethanol, C2H5OH, with the ethane backbone. Ethanol has been produced and consumed by humans for millennia, in the form of fermented and distilled alcoholic beverages, and was isolated by the Persian alchemist Rāzi (Rhazes) around 900 AD. It is a clear flammable liquid that boils at 78.4 °C, which is used as an industrial solvent, car fuel, and raw material in the chemical industry. In the US and some other countries, because of legal and tax restrictions on alcohol consumption, ethanol destined for other uses often contains additives that make it unpalatable (such as Bitrex) or poisonous (such as methanol). Ethanol in this form is known generally as denatured alcohol; when methanol is used, it may be referred to as methylated spirits ("Meths") or "surgical spirits".
I seem to have been misinformed about how alcohol works. I found this page (http://health.howstuffworks.com/alcohol10.htm) at How Stuff Works (and the article in general) helpful to improve my understanding (basically, the effect that makes you high is not directly related to the effect, of which there are multiple, that may kill you.)
I'm willing to accept that the major difference appears to be the likelihood of or ability to cause death or permanent harm.
With regard to the text you quoted, I was not referring to methanol or any other form not considered "safe" for ingestion.
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The same. Well, if there were no laws against alcohol, I may drink higher quality stuff but pay less :)
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Yeah, I think it's ridiculous that the government actually mandates that alcohol not sold (and taxed!) explicitly for consumption be made poisonous to humans.
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Yeah, I think it's ridiculous that the government actually mandates that alcohol not sold (and taxed!) explicitly for consumption be made poisonous to humans.
If a company decided to do it of their own volition, the government would put them out of business after the first death. However, since it's that way by law, the government ignores the deaths.
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I seem to recall hearing an interview with an Iowa alcoholic who worked at an ethanol plant. He decided to try some before it was specifically poisoned.
He woke up in the hospital two days later and lost his job in the process . . . shit's powerful . . .
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I seem to recall hearing an interview with an Iowa alcoholic who worked at an ethanol plant. He decided to try some before it was specifically poisoned.
He woke up in the hospital two days later and lost his job in the process . . . shit's powerful . . .
He probably downed something like 90-100% pure alcohol. One shot-sized amount of that would be like 2+ shots of vodka. It wouldn't take much.
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Salvia was just banned in WI last week officially. The ASSHOLES!
(edit: exceptions apply of course)
FFFFUUUCK! I was planning on reading the whole damn thread, that way I could make a half ways decent post. Then I read this. Shit's already banned in my home state of MN. Now I'm going to have to travel to the Dakotas, or god forbid Iowa when I'm home on leave!
If drugs were legal (and assuming I was not in the army) I'd probably take up (weed) joint rolling as an art form. Would step into the relm of hillucinagens once or twice a year (to include shrooms, acid, salvia). I'd like to try pure opium once or twice.
As far as stimulants go, I probably wouldn't touch many at all, due strictly the their (and my) addictive nature.
I'm too far down the Nicotine, Alcohol and Caffine to turn around now. Besides, my Moms did not raise a quiter
All'n all, no change to the status quo.