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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: Libertarianssuck on October 05, 2009, 07:19:17 PM
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Idk if this was posted before but I didn't find it by search... still wtf....
Cigarettes with fruit or herbal flavorings can no longer be made, imported, or sold in
the U.S. under an FDA ban that went into effect today.
The prohibition covers "cigarettes that contain characterizing flavors such as herb,
spice, or fruit flavors, including cinnamon, vanilla, chocolate, clove, strawberry, grape,
or cherry," the agency said.
Menthol cigarettes are not included in the ban, nor are flavored cigars or smokeless
tobacco.
Today was the first day the FDA could prohibit flavored cigarettes under legislation
passed in June that empowered the agency to regulate tobacco. It sent a letter to
manufacturers and distributors Sept. 14 informing them that the ban would go into
effect today.
Lawrence R. Deyton, MD, MSPH, newly hired as director of the FDA's Center for
Tobacco Products, said the ban's intent was simple: "It is to prevent our children
from initiating cigarette smoking," he said.
He cited internal tobacco-company documents suggesting that the industry has
developed flavored cigarettes to appeal to young people.
Surveys have also indicated that young teenagers believe flavorings make tobacco
products more appealing and safer.
Deyton said the agency was studying options for regulating menthol in cigarettes and
flavorings in non-cigarette tobacco products, as required by the June legislation.
The FDA has established a hotline -- 877-287-1373 -- as well as an online portal
(http://www.fda.gov/flavoredtobacco) for individuals to report potential violations of the ban.
Deyton said the FDA has alerted other agencies in government, especially Customs
and Border Protection, to aid in enforcing the ban.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/Smoking/16080
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I'm with ya, I miss my vanilla dreams for after dinner "dessert" cigarettes...
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I can't believe they offered a hotline to report violations. Who the fuck business is it if I do smoke a clove? Seriously I still have half a carton in my room.... I didn't know about this ban until later. Stupid.
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Can you send me a pack? :D
Actually I can just go down to Tijuana and pick up a carton for myself. PM me if you're interested in learning more.
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Yeah, this news came out at least a couple weeks ago. I'm sure some smart folks went out and spend several hundred or more on cloves and will slowly resell them.
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Yep, we should be legalizing Marijuana, but instead we are banning tobacco.
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This morning, the FDA released a new opinion stating that they believe flavored cigarette rolling papers and filters are subject to the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act’s (“FSPTCA”) ban on RYO tobacco and cigarettes with characterizing flavors that took effect on September 22, 2009. The relevant page can be found on the FDA’s website at http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/Flavo redTobacco/ucm183228.htm.
WTF
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Cloves are too strong for me..
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Notice that it doesn't cover menthols, for no particular reason apart from... ?
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Notice that it doesn't cover menthols, for no particular reason apart from... ?
Menthols are preferred among certain... groups?
Thats a nice way of saying it, I guess.
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Nah.. it ain't a black thang.
The major tobacco manufacturers in the US make the menthol flavors.. they don't wanna shoot themselves in the foot.
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I can't believe they offered a hotline to report violations. Who the fuck business is it if I do smoke a clove? Seriously I still have half a carton in my room.... I didn't know about this ban until later. Stupid.
you can still legally posess and smoke them. I think they just banned the sale of them.
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Nah.. it ain't a black thang.
The major tobacco manufacturers in the US make the menthol flavors.. they don't wanna shoot themselves in the foot.
Big Tobacco didn't prohibit the sale. If menthol was prohibited, it would look like the Gov was targeting menthol smokers and allowing cowboy brands. And that would cause some wicked-serious shit. The media would go nuts immediately with the same leap-of-logic. It'd be chaos.
When they do stuff like this, it has to be across the board. Cigarettes, period. They targeted a novelty, to see how the populace reacts. If the general consensus is positive, which it probably will be, in a few years they'll use the data to support other measures. Like, prohibition of non-filters.
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Nah.. it ain't a black thang.
The major tobacco manufacturers in the US make the menthol flavors.. they don't wanna shoot themselves in the foot.
This. The specialty flavors are made by smaller companies and foreigners that we import from. I read that the major cigarette makers already agreed to stop making flavored cigarettes well in advance of this decision. They were actually consulted.
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Notice that it doesn't cover menthols, for no particular reason apart from... ?
Menthols are preferred among certain... groups?
Thats a nice way of saying it, I guess.
Actually when I was telling a couple friends about Obama letting this ban goi into effect at the end of the month they asked if menthols would be covered, when I said NOPE everyone started laughing. I didn't even have to say the connection out loud or even infer it heavily.
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Related:
http://www.tobacco-facts.net/2009/09/exclusion-of-menthol-cigarettes-in-ban-worries-health-experts
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Notice that it doesn't cover menthols, for no particular reason apart from... ?
Menthols are preferred among certain... groups?
Thats a nice way of saying it, I guess.
Actually when I was telling a couple friends about Obama letting this ban goi into effect at the end of the month they asked if menthols would be covered, when I said NOPE everyone started laughing. I didn't even have to say the connection out loud or even infer it heavily.
Haha. Cool. At least I'm not somewhere out in left field.
I could see the top exec of PhillipMorris with his feet up on the desk saying "Ha, go ahead. Outlaw menthols, I dare ya."
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I could see the top exec of PhillipMorris with his feet up on the desk saying "Ha, go ahead. Outlaw menthols, I dare ya."
If they can't light up with menthols, they'll switch to buildings.
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If they can't light up with menthols, they'll switch to buildings.
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Am I hearing a couple of y'all right? That they're still allowing menthol because black folks buy them (and there's a nod toward this being a conspiracy against blacks) ?
Big Tobacco is in cahoots with the feds, that's all I see in this. "We can sell our flavored smokes, but let's put a ban on flavored smokes that are imports."
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I don't think allowing methanol is a "black" thing. It is a large seller and most state govs and I believe even the fed gov get kick backs from the industry still. Banning half the sales would shoot themselves in the foot.
Simple fact is these minor bans will continue to make it appear they are against cigs but in reality the govs are in no hurry to stop smoking. They are making to much money now.
Cash is king.
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Am I hearing a couple of y'all right? That they're still allowing menthol because black folks buy them (and there's a nod toward this being a conspiracy against blacks) ?
Big Tobacco is in cahoots with the feds, that's all I see in this. "We can sell our flavored smokes, but let's put a ban on flavored smokes that are imports."
I don't think its a conspiracy or anything, its just a string of facts.
Menthol is a flavor.
I know among white people, its probably less than half that smoke menthol, and many of them are gonna be the younger smokers. Long term smokers eventually gravitate towards "regular" flavor. The menthol shreds your lungs to hell.
For some reason, black people tend to stick with the menthols. I don't know why, its just been my experience. I have never personally seen a black dude who smoked "full flavor" on a regular basis... Maybe, on occasion, I could see it being necessary to get Marlboros or Winston, or Kent or Camels, like if you're trapped in a bar and thats all they have.
I'll bet if you polled a hundred black smokers, 85%+ would be menthol smokers.
You add all that up, if they prohibited menthol, the black smokers would be A) pissed B) Outraged C) screaming bloody murder about targeting them specifically in the War On Illness, with all this healthcare shit on the horizon. They're declaring war on obesity, cholesterol, smoking, all that. And SPECIFICALLY removing menthol, while leaving regular flavor...
I'm not creating the spin, man. I'm just predicting how it would play out. And I never said anything about Obama, he never entered my thoughts, except in response to Joel. This has nothing to do with Obama, as far as I'm concerned. Even if he did sign a bill on flavored, clove, and whatever. He's just doing what the strategists convince him is best - probably to nullify the damage to his image from being photographed smoking, might be a part of it.
I'm curious if the ban includes blunt wraps.
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Had to look back into the article if Obama signed any bills specifically towards this, and it appears he did not. I guess the FDA just appealed for more regulatory power over cigs, and got their way. I could see him signing a larger bill covering a whole bunch of stuff, and this was included. Article also mentions they may have tighter control over menthol in the future, so there ya go. But they won't eliminate it.
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Philip Morris was the 'corporate sponsor' of this legislation. PM doesn't sell any of the banned tobaccos.
The usual dots to connect.
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Am I hearing a couple of y'all right? That they're still allowing menthol because black folks buy them (and there's a nod toward this being a conspiracy against blacks) ?
Big Tobacco is in cahoots with the feds, that's all I see in this. "We can sell our flavored smokes, but let's put a ban on flavored smokes that are imports."
I don't think its a conspiracy or anything, its just a string of facts.
Menthol is a flavor.
I know among white people, its probably less than half that smoke menthol, and many of them are gonna be the younger smokers. Long term smokers eventually gravitate towards "regular" flavor. The menthol shreds your lungs to hell.
For some reason, black people tend to stick with the menthols. I don't know why, its just been my experience. I have never personally seen a black dude who smoked "full flavor" on a regular basis... Maybe, on occasion, I could see it being necessary to get Marlboros or Winston, or Kent or Camels, like if you're trapped in a bar and thats all they have.
I'll bet if you polled a hundred black smokers, 85%+ would be menthol smokers.
You add all that up, if they prohibited menthol, the black smokers would be A) pissed B) Outraged C) screaming bloody murder about targeting them specifically in the War On Illness, with all this healthcare shit on the horizon. They're declaring war on obesity, cholesterol, smoking, all that. And SPECIFICALLY removing menthol, while leaving regular flavor...
I'm not creating the spin, man. I'm just predicting how it would play out. And I never said anything about Obama, he never entered my thoughts, except in response to Joel. This has nothing to do with Obama, as far as I'm concerned. Even if he did sign a bill on flavored, clove, and whatever. He's just doing what the strategists convince him is best - probably to nullify the damage to his image from being photographed smoking, might be a part of it.
I'm curious if the ban includes blunt wraps.
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Had to look back into the article if Obama signed any bills specifically towards this, and it appears he did not. I guess the FDA just appealed for more regulatory power over cigs, and got their way. I could see him signing a larger bill covering a whole bunch of stuff, and this was included. Article also mentions they may have tighter control over menthol in the future, so there ya go. But they won't eliminate it.
Yeah, this is a FDA thing. O-man had little to do with it.
I still smoke Newport and get razed all the time. I've since moved from the hood but... well you know the rest. Works out well as my normal circle of peeps never ask to bum a smoke. The Marlboro smokers are always bumming from each other.
If the FDA over steps and attempts to ban methanol the breaks will be put on it by the other departments. That is how I see it playing out. It is to much a money maker.