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Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« on: August 26, 2010, 06:21:31 PM »

I asked a liberal type why we needed a federal government and he said the states would be taken over one by one without the U.S. being one nation. Why wouldn't this happen?
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 07:38:56 PM »

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

It has been declared this attribution is "unsubstantiated and almost certainly bogus, even though it has been repeated thousands of times in various Internet postings. There is no record of the commander in chief of Japan’s wartime fleet ever saying it."

However, that doesn't make it wrong.

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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 08:04:00 PM »

Your premise is awfully vague.

What are you calling a "state"?

Taken over by whom?
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 08:23:09 PM »

OK, his response was "You know those guys in England? They hate us, and without a Federal institution they would take over the u.s one state at a time. There are also militia groups strong enough to destroy a state." I know this is typical American thinking that the whole world is going to attack us without the Federal govment. But in the spirit of pushing him towards liberty and "voluntaryism", what do I say to that.
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 11:20:22 PM »

OK, his response was "You know those guys in England? They hate us, and without a Federal institution they would take over the u.s one state at a time. There are also militia groups strong enough to destroy a state." I know this is typical American thinking that the whole world is going to attack us without the Federal govment. But in the spirit of pushing him towards liberty and "voluntaryism", what do I say to that.

England? Your friend is odd.

As for real threats, I wouldn't believe the hype about the glorious insurgency you guys would mount. That said if the scenario is just the U.S dissolved into 50 pieces, that doesn't necessarily mean that non-interventionist types are in charge - they would probably come to each others aid in an obvious domino scenario.

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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2010, 01:32:51 AM »



The American Indians never had a government.....and it was the English who invaded. :)
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2010, 09:40:36 AM »

Is your friend a LaRouchite? They're the only people I'm aware of who are afraid of the British...

There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass. You think occupying Iraq was hard, just try occupying Texas.
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2010, 11:09:04 AM »

Is your friend a LaRouchite? They're the only people I'm aware of who are afraid of the British...

There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass. You think occupying Iraq was hard, just try occupying Texas.

That's assuming the occupiers are going to be nice about it.

Occupying Iraq is only "difficult" from the perspective of a culture that has very low tolerance for its own casualties and at least some reticence about enemy civilian causalties, trying to enact some fairly ambitious political objectives.

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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2010, 11:40:27 AM »

Unless they're willing to nuke American cities, that's pretty much irrelevant.
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2010, 11:45:54 AM »

Why would "they" use violence (like nuking cities) when they can simply get the citizenry to sign away everything they own (including the public property) by lending them imaginary money? This is exactly the position we (the whole world really) are currently in, and that wouldn't change a stinkin' bit .
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2010, 11:58:47 AM »

On the contrary, the hypothetical assumes that it already HAS changed quite a bit. You don't get rid of the Federal government without getting rid of the popular paradigm that permits its existence.
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2010, 12:07:04 PM »

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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2010, 12:26:19 PM »

Unless they're willing to nuke American cities, that's pretty much irrelevant.

Nothing is stopping anyone from nuking cities now.
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2010, 01:27:20 PM »

Unless they're willing to nuke American cities, that's pretty much irrelevant.

Nothing is stopping anyone from nuking cities now.

Except self-interest. Which means that to fear a nuclear attack on a free society, one would have to assume a villain who is both completely, psychotically insane and brilliant enough to pull it off. Such people only exist in comic books.
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Re: Would America be invaded with no Federal government?
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2010, 01:40:23 PM »

Unless they're willing to nuke American cities, that's pretty much irrelevant.

Nothing is stopping anyone from nuking cities now.

Except self-interest. Which means that to fear a nuclear attack on a free society, one would have to assume a villain who is both completely, psychotically insane and brilliant enough to pull it off. Such people only exist in comic books.

Unfortunately this isn't true. There are people insane enough to do this, they have proven it, and they have the largest stockpile of Nuclear Weapons in the world.


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