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Title: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: blackie on November 02, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
Was yesterday. Who knew?

http://www.worldveganday.org/

World Vegan Day is 1 November

Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on November 02, 2009, 09:34:26 PM
I rarely meet vegans with an O blood type, and I make it a point to ask. People who are A, B or AB don't seem to have that much difficulty going without meat, but if an O type tried that he or she would suffer terribly.


Just an observation.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: blackie on November 02, 2009, 09:52:26 PM
My wife is type O. She doesn't seem to have any problems, but it's only been 15 years so far.

How will she be suffering, and when is it going to happen?

And why would blood type matter?
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on November 03, 2009, 12:06:03 AM
Quote from: blackie on November 02, 2009, 09:52:26 PM
My wife is type O. She doesn't seem to have any problems, but it's only been 15 years so far.

How will she be suffering, and when is it going to happen?

And why would blood type matter?

From my unscientific observations, people with type O blood usually get very cranky when they dont eat meat for a while, but people with other blood types couldn't care less.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Evil Muppet on November 03, 2009, 12:34:28 AM
Quote from: blackie on November 02, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
Was yesterday. Who knew?

http://www.worldveganday.org/

World Vegan Day is 1 November



Who cares? 
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: anarchir on November 03, 2009, 02:40:10 AM
(http://www.soocool.com/gallery/photos/exhibitlarge/9908_OrangeSesameChicken.jpg)
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: BonerJoe on November 03, 2009, 02:58:46 AM
Orange seitan?
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: anarchir on November 03, 2009, 03:08:34 AM
OrangeSesameChicken.jpg
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: BonerJoe on November 03, 2009, 03:15:43 AM
Are you trying to be a bitch?
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Bill Brasky on November 03, 2009, 04:16:06 AM
Quote from: blackie on November 02, 2009, 09:52:26 PM
My wife is type O. She doesn't seem to have any problems, but it's only been 15 years so far.

How will she be suffering, and when is it going to happen?

And why would blood type matter?

If you read this and picture gaping buttsex porn, its hilarious.

Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 03, 2009, 05:00:45 AM
I went vegan for ~5 weeks in the spring of last year, and I've been trying to eat less meat in general, but, coincidentally, I've gone 100% vegan again just ~10 days ago, possibly indefinitely.  The China Study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study) [BT] (http://btjunkie.org/search?q=The+China+Study) was a big influence.  It has nothing to do with the Vegan Day or "animal rights" bullshit - in fact I would have gone vegan years ago if it wasn't for the fact that 99.99% of people I've met on vegan forums were genocidal commie retards!  :x

I just feel that an inactive fat guy with a family history of heart problems, diabetes, and all sorts of cancer would benefit from this "zero cholesterol diet", as I call it (which is why honey is OK by my book).  I'm pretty good with self-control when it comes to choosing which food to buy, but I totally lose self-control when it comes to portion sizes, often eating several pounds of beef (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4+lb+beef+porterhouse+steak) a single day!  That's a heart attack waiting to happen...

So my new diet pretty much excludes anything I might possibly want to overeat - including bread, white rice, and anything sweet (including tropical fruits).  I also avoid soy, because it contains chick hormones, but fermented varieties (mostly soy sauce) are OK.  Buckwheat and legumes are major staples, vegetable soups and salads are secondary.  And garlic.  Lots and lots of garlic.  Raw.  ;)

Vegans also spend less money on food (and medicine), and a vegan diet is more compatible with the Gulcher lifestyle - buying untaxed food from an underground economy of local farmers.  A small farmer can grow a lot more food per acre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_per_acre) if the nutrients are consumed by human beings directly, and animal farming involves far more government regulations and subsidies.

For example, check out this documentary - A River of Waste (http://btjunkie.org/torrent/A-River-of-Waste-2009/3660d5222d7eac21f46dd54419b928f7dc97be7ccde8).  It might feel like a piece if environmentalist propaganda, but it does have a major point - the government covers the meat producers' butts when it comes to a lot of their liabilities (i.e. environmental externalities), and there are other subsidies as well.  In a free society, a pound of meat would cost A LOT more than it does today!
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Manuel_OKelly on November 03, 2009, 07:34:07 AM
Blood type is bullshit. Maybe genetic testing will help determine a better diet for individuals in the future, but really it's about whatever your parents feed you and in what quantity.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on November 03, 2009, 10:10:51 AM
Quote from: Manuel_OKelly on November 03, 2009, 07:34:07 AM
Blood type is bullshit. Maybe genetic testing will help determine a better diet for individuals in the future, but really it's about whatever your parents feed you and in what quantity.


Looks like someone took a page out of fatcats playbook. Blood-type is bullshit means it doesn't exist? Or it doesn't matter?
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: blackie on November 03, 2009, 10:25:27 AM
There is a diet called "the blood type diet" that I just came across.

http://www.dadamo.com/
Quote
The percentages (71-78%) of visitors reporting positive results are consistent across all the blood types. Type O (following a higher protein lower-carb diet) appeared as likely to report positive results as Type A (following a lower fat, plant-based diet) or types B and AB (following a more omnivorous diet.)

The results certainly appear to question many of the standardized one size fits all diets advanced by the diet gurus, governments and agribusiness.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 03, 2009, 10:48:31 AM
I have a 50% chance of having O blood type.  If I go 1 full day without meat, I get REALLY cranky and feel like shit.

That said,  I know of no medical reason for certain blood types influencing mood with regards to diet.  Seems like an interesting idea, but I just can't think of a reason for it right now.

I think that most people get cranky when they stop eating meat, and that is also a personal observation.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Evil Muppet on November 03, 2009, 11:01:26 AM
[youtube=425,350]wt9pUraM4u4[/youtube].
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on November 03, 2009, 11:10:52 AM
Quote from: Admiral Naismith on November 03, 2009, 10:48:31 AM
I have a 50% chance of having O blood type.  If I got 1 full day without meat, I get REALLY cranky and feel like shit.

That said,  I know of no medical reason for certain blood types influencing mood with regards to diet.  Seems like an interesting idea, but I just can't think of a reason for it right now.

I think that most people get cranky when they stop eating meat, and that is also a personal observation.


How could you not know? You're a freaking phlebotomist!
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 03, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Diogenes The Cynic on November 03, 2009, 11:10:52 AM
Quote from: Admiral Naismith on November 03, 2009, 10:48:31 AM
I have a 50% chance of having O blood type.  If I got 1 full day without meat, I get REALLY cranky and feel like shit.

That said,  I know of no medical reason for certain blood types influencing mood with regards to diet.  Seems like an interesting idea, but I just can't think of a reason for it right now.

I think that most people get cranky when they stop eating meat, and that is also a personal observation.


How could you not know? You're a freaking phlebotomist!
lol I know I know I get asked that all of the time.  But tests aren't free, even for me, and I've never had a reason to learn my blood type, so I don't know it.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: anarchir on November 03, 2009, 02:06:50 PM
Quote from: Evil Muppet on November 03, 2009, 11:01:26 AM
[youtube=425,350]wt9pUraM4u4[/youtube].

That was awesome. Also, there were some pretty wild shots in there.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on November 03, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: anarchir on November 03, 2009, 02:06:50 PM
Quote from: Evil Muppet on November 03, 2009, 11:01:26 AM
[yo

That was awesome. Also, there were some pretty wild shots in there.


What was awesome? They're using a tool thats not fit to kill the animals they're hunting. Thats pretty messed up. Its fine to hunt for your dinner, but you're a dick if you torture it along the way.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Rillion on November 03, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: Diogenes The Cynic on November 03, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
What was awesome? They're using a tool thats not fit to kill the animals they're hunting. Thats pretty messed up. Its fine to hunt for your dinner, but you're a dick if you torture it along the way.

That was my thought. (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=27003.msg572297#msg572297)
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 03, 2009, 03:40:55 PM
People have a right to torture animals they own.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Rillion on November 03, 2009, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Alex  Libman on November 03, 2009, 03:40:55 PM
People have a right to torture animals they own.

Ethics ! = rights, Libman.  Fuck off.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: mikehz on November 03, 2009, 05:07:28 PM
My daughter and her husband went vegan a couple years ago, and do great with it. You just don't find many overweight vegans.

I'd be a vegetarian if I had it to do over again. But, being my age and married to a meat-lover, it just ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 03, 2009, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: Rillion on November 03, 2009, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: Alex  Libman on November 03, 2009, 03:40:55 PM
People have a right to torture animals they own.

Ethics ! = rights, Libman.  Fuck off.

Ethics according to what, Her Majesty Rillion's subjective emotions?  Ha, that's a laugh!  A rational ethical foundation (http://www.city-data.com/forum/great-debates/521605-rational-basis-human-rights-vs-irrational.html) would recognize that any activity that a "rational economic actor" is willing to pay for is moral, as long as it doesn't violate the natural rights of other "rational economic actors" (i.e. human beings).  The ability to spend one's money on whatever one enjoys is what gives money value in the first place, which is what gets billions of people up out of bed every morning and keeps the human civilization afloat!

You could argue that carving up Bambi with a chainsaw just to watch it suffer is unethical, and I could just as well argue that wasting time on baseball is unethical.  A perfectly psychologically-healthy individual might find the former to be a far more entertaining activity that offers greater stress relief, keeps him energized and inspired to achieve, and even burns more calories as well!  In fact, if I had discovered Bambi torture years ago, I would have gone vegan much sooner, because that activity would have alleviated my anxiety that by going vegan for health reasons I'd be seen as accepting the stereotypical vegan religion of "animal rights" along with it - Bambi torture could have added years to my life expectancy!

And Bambi torture might have also increased my total lifetime productivity as well, thus bringing more resources into the economy - creating more jobs, funding more scientific research, and pushing humanity forward, ever forward, toward its manifest destiny amongst the stars!  We may someday breed Bambis on ten thousand terraformed planets thousands of light-years apart!  No matter how many race-traitors like Rillion stand in the way of progress, the unconquerable human spirit will never cease trying to find a way to torture Bambis with chainsaws, or whatever other natural freedoms an individual might find worth defending!  No surrender!  No retreat!  No compromises!  Even if it takes a thousand years - HUMANITY WILL PREVAIL!!!

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Rillion on November 03, 2009, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: Rillion on November 03, 2009, 03:54:32 PM
Libman.  Fuck off.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 03, 2009, 05:48:53 PM
Rillion...  All this tension between us can only end in a Randian rape scene.  ;)

Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on November 03, 2009, 07:35:53 PM
Quote from: mikehz on November 03, 2009, 05:07:28 PM
My daughter and her husband went vegan a couple years ago, and do great with it. You just don't find many overweight vegans.


They exist.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: sillyperson on November 04, 2009, 06:02:00 AM
killing sentient being is morally wrong, and punishable under the corporate galactic code
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 04, 2009, 07:30:42 AM
Sentience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience) my foot Emacs lisp generating perl script!  Rights are based on the capacity to pull one's economic weight in a modern society, and to reciprocate the respect for the rights of others.
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Level 20 Anklebiter on November 04, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
Quote from: Rillion on November 03, 2009, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: Rillion on November 03, 2009, 03:54:32 PM
Libman.  Fuck off.

Here's what your quote brings to mind for me (hint: Alex is Dora.).

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7096/20080201tf2dora.png)
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Pat_9000 on November 05, 2009, 03:48:03 AM
[youtube=425,350]NXDmN-0q-Ho[/youtube]

 :x
Title: Re: World Vegan Day '09
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on November 05, 2009, 05:35:26 AM
Quote from: Pat_9000 on November 05, 2009, 03:48:03 AM
[youtube=425,350]NXDmN-0q-Ho[/youtube]

 :x
I dig it. Epic LULz

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