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WikiLeaks - The Noise
« on: December 08, 2010, 12:41:27 PM »

Wanted to separate the noise from the substance of the WikiLeaks issue. I encourage you to post your information on the noise here.


A Wikipedia founder says WikiLeaks is an enemy of the people.

Toronto Sun says: "We tend to side with one of WikiLeak's more prominent critics, Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger, who wants to be far removed from WikiLeaks, calling these whistleblowers nothing more than "enemies of the U.S. -- not just the government but the people.""

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/editorial/2010/11/29/16363771.html
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Re: WikiLeaks - The Noise
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 10:31:39 AM »

John Kass at the Chicago Tribune does a disservice to journalism by implying that Assange is somehow responsible for the cyber attacks, labeling them Assange's "hactivist disciples", and uses this claim and other rhetoric to support his article title "WikiLeaks and Assange pretend there are no consequences".

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-1209-20101209,0,5725693.column

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But Assange — or the newspapers that published the documents — don't have the right to pretend there are no real consequences.

"WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone's aware, has been harmed," Assange wrote in a hubris-filled op-ed piece Wednesday published in The Australian. "But the U.S. with Australian government connivance has killed thousands in the past few months alone."

It sounds very much like a big speech from a Hollywood movie. The big speech, usually delivered by some craggy-faced actor, involving the need for sunshine to illuminate government secrets otherwise hidden from a free people.

But once the big speech is over, and you're driving home with popcorn on your breath, you might be tempted to think logically about what happens next.

Redaction is a courtesy, the lack of which does not imply the vilification of the messenger. Assange certainly doesn't claim to predict the full ramifications of his activities, but I highly doubt he acts without consideration of the consequences.

If you want to seize authority and pass off the consequences, run for office.

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Their analysts aren't wringing their hands over whether they should be studying the secret cables. They're just studying. They have computers. And their analysts do what analysts do best — connect the dots.

And not only the salacious and entertaining big dots, like that Saudi prince and the prostitutes at his big bash, or the attributes of the curvy Ukrainian nurse for Moammar Gadhafi, or what Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton wanted her diplomats to do with DNA. There are also the smaller, seemingly insignificant dots.

Analysts aren't interested in the well-known names, the public names, the official names. They're interested in the names hidden between the lines. And they'll find them.

These smaller dots aren't famous. They're foreign nationals. They could be clerks and janitors and such. They have names and friends and families. And soon, one dot is tied to another dot is tied to another dot.

Once they're connected, a door is kicked in by the security forces. The dot is put into the back seat of the car, then driven to a place where sunshine does not illuminate anything. And nobody notifies Assange about what became of the dot or its family.

By then, they're not dots anymore. They're not abstractions. They're real people. Or they were. And that's something that Assange — who reasons like a child — pretends not to understand.

Apparently leaking details about sex parties, extortion, lying, spies, and murder is worse than the activities themselves...
Kass disregards the violence of government and substitutes reason with insults. He very much wants to blame Assange for violent abduction and murder as a consequence of the publication of documents without that tricky little bit of logical consistency called causality which would show that it was the initial act of force or coercion which put people in danger.


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Re: WikiLeaks - The Noise
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 12:28:05 PM »

For your amusement: Sarah Palin's shameless self promotion, hair-splitting, and idiotic outrage continue:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/12/sarah-palin-cyberattack-wikileaks-/1

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/11/sarah-palin-and-wikileaks-fail

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Palin: "this is what happens when you exercise the First Amendment and speak against his sick, un-American espionage efforts."

Can you be un-American if you aren't American to begin with? Is that even an insult then? Didn't Palin advocate hunting down Assange for his own actions of free speech? Oh, here we go:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/07/sarah-palin-says-wikileaks-founder-making-things-up/

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Re: WikiLeaks - The Noise
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 05:32:24 PM »

WikiLeaks makes mistakes. And history.

The Leakers and Anon folk are getting a lot of things right. But what mistakes are they making? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0olUtMTO5OE
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Re: WikiLeaks - The Noise
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 10:20:52 AM »

Some of this info suposedly comes from former WikiLeaks insiders.

http://www.techeye.net/internet/did-wikileaks-cut-a-deal-with-israel
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Reports are coming in that the online whistleblowing outfit Wikileaks' boss Julian Assange did a deal with the Israeli government to protect its interests in return for donations and perhaps a large number of diplomatic cables.

Suspicions were first aroused when there was nothing about Israel in the diplomatic cables and indeed there were other holes in the chronology when Israel was bombing schools with white phosphorus. It would have been considered odd for the US government diplomatic core not to post something during this period but the Wikileaks record is empty.

While the US is deeply embarrassed as its views on world leaders and its allies were made public, Wikileaks is silent about Israel.

However, all the material points to Iran being a major world problem and building nuclear weapons to wage a terrible war on its neighbours.

Aluf Benn wrote in Haaretz that thanks to Wikileaks there is now no fear "Washington will exert heavy pressure on Israel to freeze settlement construction or to accelerate negotiations on a withdrawal from the territories." Instead, also courtesy of WikiLeaks, the world's attention had been shifted to exactly where a "vindicated" Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu wants it trembling in fear of Iran's nuclear weapons programme.

If you look at the released cables you see Israel's main arguments about Iran being attributed to US sources. Arab leaders see the Iranian crisis as much more important than the peace process, and want the US to overthrow the Iranians.

Turkey, which has been attacking Israel, received a slap with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was characterised as an unreliable, corrupt fundamentalist.

Enter Julian Assange. Although he is portrayed as an anti-establishment anarchist hacker, he happens to like Netanyahu and his policies. It is alleged that he said as much to Time magazine claiming that Netanyahu was a a model of a global leader, who believes that the publication of documents helps international diplomacy.

All this is circumstantial. But it seems there is more to Assange and Israel. It is known that a group of volunteers fled Wikileaks over Assange's leadership decisions. German Daniel Domkhitt Berg is apparently leading the rebels.

He told a Syrian newspaper  they quit because Assange met with Israeli diplomats or Mossad in Switzerland . The conversation was recorded and an agreement signed where Wikileaks would look after Israeli interests in return for cash and more leaks, according to Berg.

We have a Syrian newspaper and a sworn enemy of Assange talking to each other and agreeing that is what happened, so there is an element of "well they would say that, wouldn't they?".

There are other weak points to the idea. Wikileaks has been friendly with the pro-Hezbollah Lebanese al-Akhbar newspaper, which if Assange was pro-Israeli would not happen.

Only a small amount of cables have been released. It is possible that Assange is planning an "Israeli package". However,  all this is a much better conspiracy story than the CIA setting a honey trap for Assange.

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Re: WikiLeaks - The Noise
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 01:03:13 PM »

Looks like the deal he did with the Israelis should have been for a quiet villa by the ocean, a dollop of cash, and a non-extradition agreement.

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Re: WikiLeaks - The Noise
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 01:40:56 PM »

Jews did wiki leaks.
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Re: WikiLeaks - The Noise
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2010, 12:08:47 AM »

Juliab should get a Saudi Arabian visa....shit worked for 9/11 terrorists.
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Re: WikiLeaks - The Noise
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2010, 12:58:08 AM »

Yea, its all a conspiracy, fuck, I thought the 911 retards stuck to Alex Jones website. I think Mr. Assange just wanted to be a reporter, he got some stuff then made it public. I don't think Bradley Manning had security clearance for juicy stuff. Everything is just what every country says about every other country, if Russia had its government documents leaked we'd see the same petty garbage. The one good thing to come out of this is people understading we don't need diplomats, talk about useless piles of shit.
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