Why Openly Defy the State?

[Turd Ferguson]

If you're gonna break the law, do it ninja style, on the sly and dont brag about it......... to anyone.

<<<Been saying that for years. People are starting to get it now.

<<<Not a liberty hipster, just sayin'.

Nah, you're more of a liberty scene kid. 

[Ecolitan]

I often talk about the importance of tax avoidance and unlicensed labor proudly proclaiming that i avoid helping "them" every chance I get and it's the morally correct thing to do.  most people agree to varying degrees and also they think I'm crazy to varying degrees.  Never been fired over it.


Also, I'm not exactly sure what I said or how many I'd had but I don't think I get to go to the same dinner parties as that INS lady anymore.

[alaric89]

Wouldn't it be sweet if your drunken argument was so brilliant everyone agreed with you and she just wasn't welcome anymore?

[Ecolitan]

That is the ideal I always fall short of.  I have a lot of good one liners that get good reception but I don't think it ever really matters.

75% of people their had their houses cleaned and yards mowed by Spanish speakers.

[alaric89]

The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one.

I feel a little bad. Since I am on a forced "staycation" I have the opportunity to be on the FTL chat a little more often. Anyway some young signed and "soon moving" freestater claimed he wanted to "die for the cause" and I paraphrased Drifter/Schlesinger. I was hoping someone would call me on it so I could properly give credit but everyone seemed just blown away and it didn't happen. I humbly admit I plagiarised the superior liberty debater (Brasky) here.

[Bill Brasky]

The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one.

I feel a little bad. Since I am on a forced "staycation" I have the opportunity to be on the FTL chat a little more often. Anyway some young signed and "soon moving" freestater claimed he wanted to "die for the cause" and I paraphrased Drifter/Schlesinger. I was hoping someone would call me on it so I could properly give credit but everyone seemed just blown away and it didn't happen. I humbly admit I plagiarised the superior liberty debater (Brasky) here.

That confused my head a little, but I will say: 

On the chats, theres a lot of excitement from the younger folk who feel an exaggerated and youthful exuberance to "The Cause".  This is the same reason they accept young people into the military.  I understand it, but it concerns me a little that young people will fearlessly tangle with trained forces.  'Cause the truth is, those uniforms will go home at the end of the day - and the citizen will quickly find himself in heaps of shit that may take years to extricate himself from, or worse. 

I don't have a problem with people wanting to fraternize with one another, I just find that aspect a little silly.  If I was 21, I'd probably be a bit more jacked to participate and meet the like-minded.  I probably spoof on it more than I should, but I do feel that some people, in the long run, would benefit more profitably if they focused their efforts on themselves first, and put "The Cause" secondarily, like a worthwhile hobby.   

But when they start talking about being bulletproof, I want no part of that.  That is a huge warning sign to me, if they don't care for their own safety they certainly won't respect mine.  And I am certainly not willing to be considered 'collateral damage' to some kid who's experiencing some sort of slap-happy puppy love that is normally reserved for beautiful tits or a '70 Hemi 'Cuda.  I find it worrisome when a persons fantasies are directly and romantically linked to fatalism.  When you move that crazytalk to a parallel concept, like Islamic fanaticism, it's immediately evident how ridiculous and dangerous the concept is. 

And I have a pretty good reason for that opinion, believe it or not - the feeling is mutual on both sides of the fence.  If you know any cops, or have read any cop forums at length, they often feel an equal sense of bravado.  They view opposition in conflict as 'meatbags', and would pound a person with the same sense of regret as a 40-lb bag of dog kibble.  Its a very precarious situation by any measure, and from any perspective.  And I'm simply not willing to involve myself with such recklessness coming from all points of the compass.

That being said, the only conclusion I can logically arrive at is, as earlier stated, measures of stealth.  Educating the people I'm directly concerned with, and living as well as I can.  Practicing avoidance, and starving "Them" of responsibilities.  If "They" have nothing to do, "they" become irrelevant.  I refuse to be part of the reason they hire more thugs and bureaucrats.



 

[alaric89]

Listening to Dennis's victory breakdown on LRN as I write this. (Beating down Obamacare in NH)
Sigh.
I have never been a "die for the cause" kind of person. Arranging my opponent's having a bad day seems like a more effective plan.
I always wondered what happened to that Chinese kid who stood up to that tank. I was a little surprised he wasn't just some muck in the track.
I wonder what happened to the tank driver.
Pete and Ademo's victory kind of argued very effectively with the point I was trying to make with the thread though.
But how can we ever beat this system by trying to play it.
Fuck. Ian is making that Mass. victory argument against Dennis trying to talk sense right now....

[Evil Muppet]

most people shy away from confrontation.  People do not like it and will tend to avoid those people who seek it out. 

When faced with confrontation people have a tendency to dig in their heals.  They will not want to give ground.  They will become more combative.  They are not very likely to listen to the other side.  It just makes it much harder to make any forward progress.  It just ensures that your opponent will fight even harder over every inch of ground. 

[Bill Brasky]

I always wondered what happened to that Chinese kid who stood up to that tank. I was a little surprised he wasn't just some muck in the track.
I wonder what happened to the tank driver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

[alaric89]

"Tank Driver" ,who in reality was the bigger hero here, is probably not having a good time.

[alaric89]

Did anyone try and use the system against itself in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia?

[Bill Brasky]

Did anyone try and use the system against itself in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia?

Donno.


Looking back over this thread, it oddly strikes me as simpler times, even though it was only four months ago.

Since then we have witenssed the emergence of the WallStreet protests, in a number of major cities.

And if you pay close attention to the news, you'll notice the same tones spread over almost all major media.  Dirty weirdo stinky hippies camping in their own shit, and the very ground needs to be power-washed.  Filth.  Disjointed message, nobody is in the wheelhouse, and so forth.  They don't know what they want. 

Ever play that funny little game with a toddler, where you are so overwhelmingly huge, you can control their arm and say "Why are you hitting yourself in the face??!"  That is the game the MSM is playing with them.

They put up a podium and allow anyone to speak, then these idiots yammer into it, and they play it on TV.

Then the news fucks go into all the little pizza shops and interview the owners about having their bathrooms destroyed.

Ever wonder why it's impossible to take a piss in any big city? 

This is why. 

Today the cops flexed their muscle a little bit.  Experimentally.  Just to see how it'd go over.  I saw the news fucks on three different channels speculate about the onslaught of cold.  NYC is playing the fucking Napoleon Defense.  Make shit inhospitable for so long, they'll grow weary and depleted, and go home. 

I also think they're gonna wait for a news blackout on Saturday or Sunday when nobody cares and start rousting people for vagrancy.  Start cycling fuckers through the tombs. 

I wouldn't wanna get arrested in Noo Yalk. 

Y'see, places with major volumes of people (like NYC) have contingency plans for dealing with riots and uprisings.  And one of the methods is quite simple:  Just stop arresting people elsewhere, a couple days before.  That way, all the immediate shit is dispensed with and the holding pens are all uncluttered, as people move through the system.

This is not the first time people have descended upon a city.  Its just the first time in "recent memory", which is a few years, at most. 

Just a couple years ago, I remember watching Philly get trashed.  Because of a sporting event.  Every city gets its shit on every couple years.  The cops and "establishment" don't care if its a protest or the Superbowl.  They can handle a couple thousand people no problem. 

Some plate glass windows get busted out.  Then the Bradleys come out, fire some water cannons, and everybody goes holy fuck, they mean business.


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Bloomburg famously warned about uprisings only a few months ago, and all the news fucks went "Bawww."

I now notice, nobody mentions that.  But then again, maybe I missed it. 

If anyone thinks that guy hasn't pushed around a few columns of men on a NYC map with a big long MacArthur stick, you're goddamn delirious.





 

[alaric89]

If the authorities had attacked the people with military police during the L.A. riots no one would have ran. The rioters were all angry at the same thing. Maybe the press learned from that incident. "Don't report on real grievances against the state." The only reason the press is reporting the "Occupy" shit is that the only coherent and consistant arguments are coming from the homeless who happened to be there.