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Title: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: Pizzly on April 05, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
Star Trek is a horrible, awful show for libertarianism, but I love it. I can't help but wonder what species embodies us most though, it's hard. Right away the big ones are thrown out, humans, Vulcans, Klingons, Romulan, Cardassian, Borg. The center of each society is a powerful, worldwide government. There are elements of the humans, Vulcans and Klingons that may seem attractive (like the Klngons need to hold even their leaders accountable to the law by killing them in combat), I think they aren't on a whole very freedom loving.

The obvious choice seems to be Ferengi, but they have a pretty powerful regulatiory organization, and they are extremely misogynist.
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: Turd Ferguson on April 05, 2011, 06:53:32 PM
I'd like to think of Libertarians as Tribbles. A pain in the ass to all governments............ even in space.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_With_Tribbles



(http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/07/StarTrek_Trouble_With_Tribbles-thumb-550x412-20718.jpg)
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on April 05, 2011, 07:31:25 PM
Liberals are the borg. They want to assimilate everyone, and they have a hive mind.
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: Alex Libman on April 05, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
That depends on what type of a "libertarian" you're talking about:







(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/STOkona.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outrageous_Okona)

 8)
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: AOD_Horseman on April 09, 2011, 08:12:16 PM
I actually use Star Trek as a middle-ground when talking about liberty issues with "left-wing" type friends. By pointing out the fact that the Star Trek universe is essentially a Socialist utopia, and indicating why it could work in those circumstances, I illustrate the reasons it cannot possibly work in reality. The biggest difference between the two worlds is we don't have limitless energy and resources. If everyone could just go up to a machine and basically say "let there be food," or never have to worry about paying any kind of energy bill, then we wouldn't have to worry about how productive people were, would we?
I had more, but I got distracted and lost my train of thought. That's a good basic thought, though.
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on April 09, 2011, 09:23:12 PM
I actually use Star Trek as a middle-ground when talking about liberty issues with "left-wing" type friends. By pointing out the fact that the Star Trek universe is essentially a Socialist utopia, and indicating why it could work in those circumstances, I illustrate the reasons it cannot possibly work in reality. The biggest difference between the two worlds is we don't have limitless energy and resources. If everyone could just go up to a machine and basically say "let there be food," or never have to worry about paying any kind of energy bill, then we wouldn't have to worry about how productive people were, would we?
I had more, but I got distracted and lost my train of thought. That's a good basic thought, though.

Even then, why would only some people fix the machines?  Why would only some people defend against the Klingons?  Even then, I think you'd have to force people into "service."
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: velojym on April 09, 2011, 11:17:39 PM
Two words: Harry Mudd.
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: anarchir on April 10, 2011, 12:26:35 AM
I'd like to think of Libertarians as Tribbles. A pain in the ass to all governments............ even in space.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_With_Tribbles

Oddly I've seen two or three of the movies but that is the only episode I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: alaric89 on April 10, 2011, 03:07:54 AM
Can we just start calling each other "tribbles" from now on? I already refer to the state as "that cyborg block thingy from Startrek" .
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: Turd Ferguson on April 10, 2011, 09:10:10 AM
Im tellin ya. EVERYONE had problems with the tribbles. The Klingons considered them their mortal enemies over all others.
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: dalebert on April 10, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_With_Tribbles

On a sidenote, probably the most popular and famous Star Trek episode ever, written by the author of The Man Who Folded Himself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself), though it's affectionately referred to by hardcore fans as The Man Who F***ed Himself.

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Eakins repeatedly meets himself; has sex with himself; and ultimately cohabitates with an opposite-sex version of himself.
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: Turd Ferguson on April 10, 2011, 09:58:30 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_With_Tribbles

On a sidenote, probably the most popular and famous Star Trek episode ever, written by the author of The Man Who Folded Himself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself), though it's affectionately referred to by hardcore fans as The Man Who F***ed Himself.

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Eakins repeatedly meets himself; has sex with himself; and ultimately cohabitates with an opposite-sex version of himself.

Man, I'm suprised nobody has made a full lenth feature porn out of that book already.

Shaw, you're the movie guy around here. What says you? I'll help finance it. Dale, you could play the part of the time traveler.

Imagine all the horn-dog sci-fi fans who would totally be into that.

It could be worth millions.


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NUZ_fM-TQKQ/SP38AyoEcSI/AAAAAAAAIEI/wFIu5Bz-S-8/s400/robin_hayes_dollar_sign_eyes.jpg)
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: yamnuska on April 10, 2011, 07:22:44 PM
I wanna be lieutenant Ilia

(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8400000/Lieutenant-Ilia-star-trek-movies-8475818-475-870.jpg)
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: velojym on April 10, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
Hot Carbon Unit looooove.
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: BobRobertson on April 13, 2011, 11:39:51 AM
Two words: Harry Mudd.

Cyrano Jones

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090225054003/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/a/a1/Cyrano_Jones%2C_2268.jpg/292px-Cyrano_Jones%2C_2268.jpg)
Title: Re: Who are we in Star Trek?
Post by: LTKoblinsky on April 13, 2011, 11:54:43 AM
I know its not libertarian at all (especially TNG), but I can't help but watch and enjoy TOS and the movies. Now, in the new movie, there is the part where Spock gives a big "fuck you" to one statist organization (only to join another). That counts for something, right?