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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: hellbilly on April 18, 2008, 12:33:28 AM
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OK- reading about whisky, moonshining, distilling is a favorite pastime of mine. My lineage includes a couple of generations, at least, of Moonshiners- so that's where this interest comes from. From talking to relatives, old-timers and amateur historians in the area where my family is from- we weren't very involved in Running the product, but were renowned in making some of the cleanest and highest quality. From what my Grandfather told me before he died, cleaning the still was the most important step, and one that the lazier still operators would commonly skip. He made moonshine the very old way- what he considered an artful way- using nearly all corn and just a bit of sugar. His stories caused me to read others' recollections, and nearly all the stories eventually lead to the Revenue Man, and how Government absolutely ruined a craft that began in Scotland. The techniques were brought here by the first immigrants. (Technically distilling was probably first developed in Egypt. Traditionally, credit is given to the Scotch/Irish). Because the stories of this tradition/craft/lifestyle have been affected by the Government to such a negative degree, I feel it is a suitable topic for this forum. I don't think many people realize the sad effect of loss of culture to this degree.
I understand the process of creating "pure corn likker" and would love to see how I perform in creating my own. However, because it is illegal, and because it is a very hard process to disguise while living in the suburbs- I can only read about it and drink from the Licensed Distillers.
>no offense to anyone, but i will be deleting anything that aint about whisky on this here thread.
might seem trivial or stupid to some, but i sincerely have a big interest in moonshining/distilling.<
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al-Quhol is stoopid. Empty calories or (if distilled) liver damage.
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Alright. But even if you don't enjoy consuming alcohol, credit is surely due to those who discovered the techniques in producing spirits, and to the many generations of people who made the act a way of life, to the extent that it literally shaped the early formation of many different cultures. As it is now, the product is mainly produced by a lose network of independent distilleries all relying on a centralized authority granting them permission to produce the goods (and under the agreement that the Government will receive a considerable amount of the profits). Independent distillers, methods and techniques have practically disappeared in this industry just as so many others have all thanks to the regulation by the Government.
Now I know you can get behind that concept!
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makers mark is a sweeeet-as-pie bourbon.
(i'm an ambassador for them....whoop-dee-fuckin'-doo)
i have a whiskey recipe my mother gave me from her uncle in indiana.
i'll see if'n i kin locate it, then we's kin swap corn-sqeezin' recipes
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It is good to learn, know, and practice the distillation process as it is extremely useful for a wide variety of applications...
In WWII the sailors distilled the alcohol out of the paint on the ship...
Guessing that wasn't the tastiest or safest stuff...
Yuck...
RAD
John Shaw!
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Off the top of my head, 'white lightning' moonshine is essentially corn whiskey that has not been aged. Charcoal filtering, and the cask add the flavor - whether they're blackened or once held Sherry or port or brandy, plus the peat roasting the barley and other variables when you're making Scotch. Of course, normal whiskies and Scotch are also produced to be in the 80+ proof realm (except for the 'cask strength' varieties), and 'Shine is pure distilled alcohol, about 170 proof. Thats way too intense, my survival instinct makes me avoid hi-octane spirits.
I don't particularly care for American whisky or Bourbon. Scotch and a few Irish (primarily Bushmills - or the better version 'Black Bush') are much smoother and more drinkable. I think its the corn base that makes it too sweet, peat and barley malt produce a mellower variety. I like all the different varieties and snobbery that go along with Scotch, it provides a nice selection and some good conversation.
I also liked the term "angels share" the Scots came up with for the evaporation during aging. Its a cool phrase.
Any whiskey of any variety these days, over ice in a rocks glass - no shots anymore. And thats not how most 'normal' people drink American whiskeys, they do shots. I guess some people sip neat bourbon, still not my thing. Ice, glass, and Scotch.
Lately, I've avoided whiskey altogether and been drinking Vodka on the rocks. Flavored ones, like Three Olives and Absolut. Cleaner buzz, and you don't stink like a fuckin drunken bastard the next day.
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One of my military friends recently brought a mason jar of "White Lightning Corn Liquor" 120 proof stuff that he bought at the base store, it was surprisingly smooth and looked very home made. I guess the 1L mason jar cost him $5 flat. I wonder what you have to do to go about obtaining a distilling license...
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hellb.
i think you're legally allowed a certain gallonage of home brew, wine, likker ,per year/per household
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hellb.
i think you're legally allowed a certain gallonage of home brew, wine, likker ,per year/per household
Don't listen to this douche.
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well, dip me in dogshit.
http://www.beertown.org/statutes/newhampshire.htm
cocksucking feds
i would still brew what/where/how much i feel like w/out state intervention
i'm sposed ta get a permit to dig a pond
eff you, it's 1/2 dug.
i'm NOT sposed to remove fill from our farm (easement attached)
eff you; just sold $500 worth of loam yesterday
i'm sposed ta pay a timber tax on wood sales
i'll be sure to send a check right out.
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I'm pretty sure you're allowed to distill a few gallons of liquor.
Not lookin' it up.
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Joel, they sell legal shit in every conceivable kind of bottle. I wouldn't be surprised to see grain in a click-top canning jar. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying shitty things about it, it would be cool to see a bottle of booze sold like that on a base. Or anywhere. I'm just saying it might not be bootleg booze, that might be the way a certain brand bottles their shit.
If its for sale in a store.
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I'm pretty sure you're allowed to distill a few gallons of liquor.
Not lookin' it up.
What a cock nocker.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/5601.shtml
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Kinda gay, in a jewish way.
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I'm pretty sure you're allowed to distill a few gallons of liquor.
Not lookin' it up.
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Joel, they sell legal shit in every conceivable kind of bottle. I wouldn't be surprised to see grain in a click-top canning jar. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying shitty things about it, it would be cool to see a bottle of booze sold like that on a base. Or anywhere. I'm just saying it might not be bootleg booze, that might be the way a certain brand bottles their shit.
If its for sale in a store.
Well It looks VERY Homemade, but obviously its gotta be legal for them to sell it in the government operated military store. I wonder if they hooked up a certain someone with a liquor distilling permit for it or something. It actually tasted surprisingly good despite its potency.
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The local Government Approved Liquor Store does have some - "Georgia Moon 100% Corn Whisky" (120 Proof). That one is "bottled" in mason jars. There is another legal distiller in NC that makes two varieties: http://www.piedmontdistillers.com/verification.php
I haven't tried either yet, but I will buy one soon and tell you what I think.
The last time I had moonshine was a few years ago. Peaches had been added to it, and a lot of sugar. All I tasted was "sweet", and the stuff burned all the way down, formed a puddle in my gut and continued to burn for awhile there. Can't say I truly enjoyed it.
Brasky's right- Whiskies are sometimes a mellowed out Moonshine. I can't deal with the full blown 100+ proof liquor, so I stick to this more mellow stuff.
The bottle I am about to finish off is Mcclelland's Islay Single Malt Scotch Whisky.
(http://www.singlemaltscotchking.com/cart/large/S1-46.jpg)
Didn't like it much at first because of the strong Peat/smoke flavor- but after a few more tries, it's actually very good.
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Laphroaig.
I wonder what a whiskey enema would feel like.
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That would burn a lil bit!
A note on "home made likker"..
Know the source, if possible. Most often you won't have any idea where/who the stuff comes from because it has been made an underground activity thanks to Ma Gov. Similar to how Speed is cooked up these days, cutting the goods with all sorts of chemicals isn't uncommon. Lots of people are in it only for the profit- they don't know or care about the buyer- they want the money. Not only ingredients, but the distilling gear can potentially poison the drinker as well.
Stills with lead welds and people using car radiators are the most common problems. Wood Alcohol and other "buzz inducing" chemicals are added to cut production time and increase the product.
Storage of the liquor is also a concern. A 2nd or 3rd cousin of mine died from drinking tainted moonshine. Since the guys were in a hurry to make the stuff and get on their way, apparently they didn't rinse out the containers very well. To avoid detection in the event they were pulled over- the guys had "bottled" their likker in used Antifreeze containers!
I guess while they were getting themselves fucked up on the booze, they couldn't taste the remaining Antifreeze in the jug. He died a few hours later, but the other guys drinking didn't notice, they thought he had passed out.
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That would burn a lil bit!
A note on "home made likker"..
Know the source, if possible. Most often you won't have any idea where/who the stuff comes from because it has been made an underground activity thanks to Ma Gov. Similar to how Speed is cooked up these days, cutting the goods with all sorts of chemicals isn't uncommon. Lots of people are in it only for the profit- they don't know or care about the buyer- they want the money. Not only ingredients, but the distilling gear can potentially poison the drinker as well.
Stills with lead welds and people using car radiators are the most common problems. Wood Alcohol and other "buzz inducing" chemicals are added to cut production time and increase the product.
Storage of the liquor is also a concern. A 2nd or 3rd cousin of mine died from drinking tainted moonshine. Since the guys were in a hurry to make the stuff and get on their way, apparently they didn't rinse out the containers very well. To avoid detection in the event they were pulled over- the guys had "bottled" their likker in used Antifreeze containers!
I guess while they were getting themselves fucked up on the booze, they couldn't taste the remaining Antifreeze in the jug. He died a few hours later, but the other guys drinking didn't notice, they thought he had passed out.
not pissin on your dead cousin hb, but ,
for some reason i hear the 'deliverance' theme song in my head ,as i read the above...
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(http://www.singlemaltscotchking.com/cart/large/S1-46.jpg)
If you never tried Bushmills (Irish) give it a shot. It's in the same drinkability league as some of the better Scotches, and a more reasonable price.
The older ones get pricey, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky
* Bushmills Original - Blend of single malt Irish whiskey and Irish grain whiskey — sometimes called White Bush or Bushmills White Label. The grain whiskey is matured in American oak casks
* Black Bush - A blend comprised mostly of single malt. Selected Spanish Oloroso sherry-seasoned oak casks mature the malt, before it is blended with delicate sweet single grain whiskey. Developed in 1934, it was originally called “Old Bushmills Special Old Liqueur Whiskey”.
* Bushmills 10 year single malt - Matured in American bourbon barrels for at least 10 years.
* Bushmills 12 year single malt - A special edition currently sold only at the Bushmills distillery, matured mostly in sherry casks.
* Bushmills 16 year single malt - Matured for 16 years or more in a combination of American bourbon barrels, Spanish Oloroso sherry butts and Port pipes.
* Bushmills 21 year single malt - A limited number of 21 year bottles are made each year, and are matured in 3 different types of casks: firstly in American bourbon barrels and secondly in Spanish Oloroso sherry casks. Together it will total 19 years in these casks, where it may lie in Madeira drums for a further 2 years until bottling.
* Bushmills 1608 - A special 400th Anniversary whiskey. A blend containing 95% malt and 5% grain whiskey made with 30% crystal malt for exceptional smoothness. From February 2008 it is available in Bushmills outlets across the world, however from 2009 it will only be available in the Whiskey Shop at the distillery and in duty free
[edit] Retired Bushmills whiskey range
* Bushmills 25 year Millennium malt - An exclusive 25 year old whiskey bottled in the new millennium. Only a limited number of casks were produced, many being reserved by celebrities and many exclusive hotels.
* Bushmills Irish Cream Liqueur was an Irish Cream rather than a whiskey. Its production ceased in 2005 following Diageo's takeover of the distillery, as Diageo owns Bailey's Irish Cream.
(http://www.klwines.com/images/skus/670012x.jpg)
Black Bush supposedly got its name from the color of the label, when their brands other than the regular version started hitting the shelves - probably in the '70s I guess. The regular version is white.
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i just could never get into the scotch thing. prob. cuz my old man was a cheapskate, bought the bottom -shelf turpentine & that's when i 1st tried it.
it seems like all these guys my dad grew up w/ & served in korea with, liked scotch.
the main reason, he told me, that they started drinking it , was while they were over there, it was the most available hard liquor. it was for the higher echelon, mostly & they would steal a case, here & there.
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Haven't had Bushmills- will give that a shot soon. Jamesons & Tullamore I have had and liked them- still partial to Bourbon though.
Riddler- "Deliverance" actually isn't too far off :) - The stories I have told people about growing up in Coal Mining Country in Eastern Kentucky are usually taken as jokes. Wood shacks, inbreeding, banjo-picking, snake-handling churches.. it was all there, and all real. The flip side was that many of those people, mostly the older generations, were really good people. Not at all "savvy" or street smart, but as far as ingenuity and instinct go, they had it covered. I would even say that most of them would, as "backwards" as we would perceive them to be, would fit right in with the crowd here, politically speaking.
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Haven't had Bushmills- will give that a shot soon. Jamesons & Tullamore I have had and liked them- still partial to Bourbon though.
Riddler- "Deliverance" actually isn't too far off :) - The stories I have told people about growing up in Coal Mining Country in Eastern Kentucky are usually taken as jokes. Wood shacks, inbreeding, banjo-picking, snake-handling churches.. it was all there, and all real. The flip side was that many of those people, mostly the older generations, were really good people. Not at all "savvy" or street smart, but as far as ingenuity and instinct go, they had it covered. I would even say that most of them would, as "backwards" as we would perceive them to be, would fit right in with the crowd here, politically speaking.
hey-ho hb (i'm sorry...i can't call you that anymore..unless you're some sort of major corporate mogul..."HB, the helicopter is waiting to take you to the Kennedy compound", or some such..it's too far a stretch, i'd say, to go from hellbilly to something obnoxiously highbrow)
anyway, as i said, no personal digs on the familial rootage; those ARE the peeps i want to be around. good times or bad, they always take care o' one another. i pretty much have that now, ceptin' these fellers have dental plans, mostly.
i also ain't caught a buddy fuckin' a goat .....yet
not sayin' you or your's does, mindin' you
ain't none-a mah bidniss , anyhow
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(http://www.klwines.com/images/skus/670012x.jpg)
So I tried this one Brasky mentioned. It's probably the best tasting whisky I've had. It's pricey, that bottle shown was about $38.00- but that's not too bad, since I would call this a "sippin' whisky", not a gulper, or one to drink just to get fucked up on.
Feels like Listerine in your mouth sometimes.. but the flavor is just all over the place.
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(http://blog.oregonlive.com/thebeerhere/2007/07/medium_BULLEITBOURBON.jpg)
Did I mention this one?
Still a favorite.. not at all far behind Black Bush.
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> that bottle shown was about $38.00-
Damn dude, I got mine for $30 out the door.
It is good stuff, I've only had a glass so far though. I haven't been in the mood to get drunk of liquor in a while, lol.
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So I tried this one Brasky mentioned. It's probably the best tasting whisky I've had. It's pricey, that bottle shown was about $38.00- but that's not too bad, since I would call this a "sippin' whisky", not a gulper, or one to drink just to get fucked up on.
Feels like Listerine in your mouth sometimes.. but the flavor is just all over the place.
One of my friends got a bottle of this because of the porny name. :lol:
I ended up drinking the whole thing (not at once) because nobody else liked it. I don't get people.
Regarding homemade stuff, I'm interested in that mainly because of all the cool explodey stuff you can do with pure alcohol...
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ITT: Smelly drunks, unlike us clean, fresh-smelling potheads.
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My great grandparents ran a speakeasy and were involved in that whole underground economy during prohibition. I've never had much whisky/ey, but I wouldn't mind trying (I have had Maker's, Riddler :P). I think I'd like to go somewhere where I could taste a bunch of them to see which I prefer since there's so much variety.
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The do have whisky bars.. might google one for your area.
The Speakeasy days must have been pretty cool. Groups of people doing what they do cooperatively, beneath the radar in some places. Other places, I've read that the cops pretty much allowed the joints to operate, but only allowing certain people to come and go freely.
Most of the old guys who were distillers are gone, or nearly gone. Don't know if I mentioned it, but my grandfather died a few months ago, and his brother just died 2 weeks ago. Both in their 80's, they used to run still together back in the day.
If I even wanted to start distilling- I wouldn't know where to find enough land nowadays to keep it a secret. No local anyway.
Brasky- thanks for the tip buddy :)
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The do have whisky bars.. might google one for your area.
The Speakeasy days must have been pretty cool. Groups of people doing what they do cooperatively, beneath the radar in some places. Other places, I've read that the cops pretty much allowed the joints to operate, but only allowing certain people to come and go freely.
Most of the old guys who were distillers are gone, or nearly gone. Don't know if I mentioned it, but my grandfather died a few months ago, and his brother just died 2 weeks ago. Both in their 80's, they used to run still together back in the day.
If I even wanted to start distilling- I wouldn't know where to find enough land nowadays to keep it a secret. No local anyway.
Brasky- thanks for the tip buddy :)
We only found out about the speakeasy thing because my grandmother was talking to her (older) sister about the "picnics in Detroit" that their family went on as a child. Her sister then informed her that there was more than just picnicking going on during those excursions :P
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makers mark is a sweeeet-as-pie bourbon.
(i'm an ambassador for them....whoop-dee-fuckin'-doo)
i have a whiskey recipe my mother gave me from her uncle in indiana.
i'll see if'n i kin locate it, then we's kin swap corn-sqeezin' recipes
seen shows about Makers Mark. . . didn't have a chance to try it, but i really dig the wax top.
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I like both, but I prefer bourbon to whiskey. (And yeah, I've had decent shit, not just college parties.)
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We only found out about the speakeasy thing because my grandmother was talking to her (older) sister about the "picnics in Detroit" that their family went on as a child. Her sister then informed her that there was more than just picnicking going on during those excursions :P
Ain't it sad these stories are coming to an end?
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Ever had this Jack Daniels Silver Select Single Barrel?
(http://www.thedrinkshop.com/images/products/main/1788/1788.jpg)
Great stuff, 100 proof, smooth and delicious.
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Ever had this Jack Daniels Silver Select Single Barrel?
(http://www.thedrinkshop.com/images/products/main/1788/1788.jpg)
Great stuff, 100 proof, smooth and delicious.
The Single Barrel bottle I got tasted too much like chemicals for me.
Gentleman Jack, now that's good shit.
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I haven't had any Jack stuff in a long time.
The Black Bush is half gone, so I'll see about getting some of that stuff next..
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Ever had this Jack Daniels Silver Select Single Barrel?
(http://www.thedrinkshop.com/images/products/main/1788/1788.jpg)
Great stuff, 100 proof, smooth and delicious.
The Single Barrel bottle I got tasted too much like chemicals for me.
Gentleman Jack, now that's good shit.
Never tried it.
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If you're ever in Tennessee, you should do the Jack Daniels factory tour.
I swear I got a little drunk just walking around the place. The fumes of the fermenting vats, the distillation room, the charcoal filtering barrels, and the barrel house. OMG, whisky heaven...
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If you're ever in Tennessee, you should do the Jack Daniels factory tour.
I swear I got a little drunk just walking around the place. The fumes of the fermenting vats, the distillation room, the charcoal filtering barrels, and the barrel house. OMG, whisky heaven...
Do they give you free taste tests?
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If you're ever in Tennessee, you should do the Jack Daniels factory tour.
I swear I got a little drunk just walking around the place. The fumes of the fermenting vats, the distillation room, the charcoal filtering barrels, and the barrel house. OMG, whisky heaven...
Do they give you free taste tests?
It's in a dry county, so it's illegal to even give away the stuff to drink.
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If you're ever in Tennessee, you should do the Jack Daniels factory tour.
I swear I got a little drunk just walking around the place. The fumes of the fermenting vats, the distillation room, the charcoal filtering barrels, and the barrel house. OMG, whisky heaven...
Do they give you free taste tests?
It's in a dry county, so it's illegal to even give away the stuff to drink.
What?!? Dry County? Can they even at least sell it to you?
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If you're ever in Tennessee, you should do the Jack Daniels factory tour.
I swear I got a little drunk just walking around the place. The fumes of the fermenting vats, the distillation room, the charcoal filtering barrels, and the barrel house. OMG, whisky heaven...
Do they give you free taste tests?
It's in a dry county, so it's illegal to even give away the stuff to drink.
What?!? Dry County? Can they even at least sell it to you?
They sell it there, but you can't drink it there.
I had my bottle of single barrel in the car, so I just took a swig when I left, lol.
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If you're ever in Tennessee, you should do the Jack Daniels factory tour.
I swear I got a little drunk just walking around the place. The fumes of the fermenting vats, the distillation room, the charcoal filtering barrels, and the barrel house. OMG, whisky heaven...
Do they give you free taste tests?
It's in a dry county, so it's illegal to even give away the stuff to drink.
What?!? Dry County? Can they even at least sell it to you?
They sell it there, but you can't drink it there.
I had my bottle of single barrel in the car, so I just took a swig when I left, lol.
That's weird, I'd never even of a dry county before, being from California.
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Dry counties aren't really all that uncommon, I've seen a few.
Dry towns are very common, 'round here at least. Some sell beer but no liquor, some don't sell any booze at all. Surprisingly in the last few years some progress has been made, Sunday sales and other such formerly illegal activities. We can even get beer in some grocery stores now (but there is serious opposition), people from other states could never believe we don't sell beer at the grocery, or liquor in a package store. (Liquor is sold only in state stores)
Wow that's all pretty ridiculous, I'd heard of the liquor only being sold in state stores before, and no liquor on Sundays thing too, but I hadn't heard that there was still prohibition in some towns/counties. Here in CA you just need to get a beer/wine and/or a liquor license (expensive) and you can sell in any store. Pretty much every gas station and every grocery store sells beer, wine and liquor.
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If you're ever in Tennessee, you should do the Jack Daniels factory tour.
I swear I got a little drunk just walking around the place. The fumes of the fermenting vats, the distillation room, the charcoal filtering barrels, and the barrel house. OMG, whisky heaven...
the tasters employed at jack daniels have to have a special permit in order to do their job.
pretty puritanical
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I'd like to plan a trip to the Daniels' distillery someday.. had no idea it was in a dry county.. how stupid is that?!
I grew up in a dry county, but I also grew up around a lot of drunk people! There were a lot of likker stores just past the county line.. so it pretty much fails as a law.
Never had flavored vodka.. usually just have that mixed with some sort of juice..
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Tell your historical bullshit to the coal miners who built the goddamn state and fathered a dozen children each, polacks and germans with backs a yard wide who could rip an oak stump out of the ground with their bare hands. Theres a reason they were not allowed to drink, and that reason is because they would beat the motherfuckin shit out of people who told them to shut the fuck up.
Hell yeah.
And also consider what productive people they were back then. True DIY'ers... manual labor, hard work- and many stared their day with a shot of likker, had some for lunch, and had some before bed.
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Tell your historical bullshit to the coal miners who built the goddamn state and fathered a dozen children each, polacks and germans with backs a yard wide who could rip an oak stump out of the ground with their bare hands. Theres a reason they were not allowed to drink, and that reason is because they would beat the motherfuckin shit out of people who told them to shut the fuck up.
Hell yeah.
And also consider what productive people they were back then. True DIY'ers... manual labor, hard work- and many stared their day with a shot of likker, had some for lunch, and had some before bed.
And lived to be 90, on a diet of bacon.
Light beer? Meh.
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the guys (mostly italians) working in the granite quarries in town many years ago, were allowed to drink one bottle of wine at lunch.
this wasn't store bought, neither...it was the pipe-hittin' squeezins they made at home...
fuck osha
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Dont knock home distillaries. I personally have a beer kit in my dorm room.
(you know, for a dude who has only been here 2 days, I seem to mesh in quite well.)
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What are you brewing?
I've had some really good home brewed stout..
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Brewing premade canned beer. its first step.
Liquor is illegal to brew in NY state
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Kilbeggan:
(http://www.beam-boys.de/assets/images/2963-499-kilbeggan.jpg)
Hadn't seen this label before, thought I'd try it out.
It's less than average... no real taste, nothing unique, not harsh, not sweet, not flavorful. Ah well.. the label does say "blended".
Did some reading and found out Kilbeggan was once a distillery owned by John Locke. Was shut down for 50 years and only began functioning again a few years ago.
Verdict: skipit.
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Damn and that's an attractive bottle too, if not for the advice I probably would have picked it up myself too
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Kilbeggan:
(http://www.beam-boys.de/assets/images/2963-499-kilbeggan.jpg)
Hadn't seen this label before, thought I'd try it out.
It's less than average... no real taste, nothing unique, not harsh, not sweet, not flavorful. Ah well.. the label does say "blended".
Did some reading and found out Kilbeggan was once a distillery owned by John Locke. Was shut down for 50 years and only began functioning again a few years ago.
Verdict: skipit.
or, per your review, only started non-functioning again.......
maybe they didn't rinse out/dust off the equipment thoroughly.....course, that would have given it some flavor...
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Rest assured, the ATF is still working hard to keep you safe from outlaw "Moonshiners"..
'Popcorn' Sutton cops a plea, faces 15 years, $500K fine
"Moonshine is romanticized in folklore and the movies," ATF Special Agent in Charge James Cavanaugh said in the release. "The truth, though, is that moonshine is a dangerous health issue and breeds other crime."
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/mar/14/law-gets-notorious-moonshiner-popcorn-sutton---aga/
This article has his mugshot-
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/apr/03/popcorn-sutton-cops-plea-faces-15-years-500k-fine/
And, here's a video of the criminal at work..
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HE'S A CRIMINAL!! A DIRTY FUCKING CRIMINAL!! WE NEED TO BUST HIS DOORS DOWN WITH GUNS A BLAZING AND WIPE THAT SCUM OFF THE FACE OF THE FUCKING EARTH!! THINK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HE HURTS WITH HIS SHINE!! EVIL VILE MAN!!
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I ordered a whiskey and coke when i was at the bars last.
can't drink that nor any liquor straight.
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HE'S A CRIMINAL!! A DIRTY FUCKING CRIMINAL!! WE NEED TO BUST HIS DOORS DOWN WITH GUNS A BLAZING AND WIPE THAT SCUM OFF THE FACE OF THE FUCKING EARTH!! THINK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HE HURTS WITH HIS SHINE!! EVIL VILE MAN!!
If you read some of the comments people leave as feedback for these news articles and on related blogs- a lot of them pretty much say this or just call him a lazy bum. However, I did see a lot of people calling this out as bullshit too.
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HE'S A CRIMINAL!! A DIRTY FUCKING CRIMINAL!! WE NEED TO BUST HIS DOORS DOWN WITH GUNS A BLAZING AND WIPE THAT SCUM OFF THE FACE OF THE FUCKING EARTH!! THINK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HE HURTS WITH HIS SHINE!! EVIL VILE MAN!!
If you read some of the comments people leave as feedback for these news articles and on related blogs- a lot of them pretty much say this or just call him a lazy bum. However, I did see a lot of people calling this out as bullshit too.
seems to me the guy wants to live his life, do his thing, and be left the hell alone. i see zero problems with that lifestyle.
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I ordered a whiskey and coke when i was at the bars last.
can't drink that nor any liquor straight.
I like to get a hard seven seven.
I don't like vodka straight but I do like to drink a good whiskey or tequila straight up. But not like a quick shot. I like to take a drink at a time to get the full flavor.
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seems to me the guy wants to live his life, do his thing, and be left the hell alone. i see zero problems with that lifestyle.
Of course you wouldnt........................... godless heathen!!!!!
You need to find Jesus and accept him into your life and realize that MANS laws are also Jesus laws as well, even if we change our laws all the time. Hey, Jesus can change his mind too ya know.
UP WITH HOPE........... DOWN WITH DOPE ( and booze too)
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UP WITH HOPE........... DOWN WITH DOPE ( and booze too)
:)
seems to me the guy wants to live his life, do his thing, and be left the hell alone. i see zero problems with that lifestyle.
I always end up comparing most social issues with moonshining because it has all the issues all wrapped up in one package. The only damage done by moonshining was done after prohibition, when profits soared due to it being so scarce. People then began to throw all sorts of shit in the mix to cut corners on supplies, save time and still produce a buzz. A lot of that stuff was sold as "nigger gin" in the ghettos of Atlanta. Turpentine, paint thinner - all sorts of nasty shit. No doubt people died before due to carelessness over indulgence, but you know what I mean.
The feds began tracking large orders of sugar and corn, harassing mountain folks to squeal on their neighbors, chasing & shooting moonshiners, destroying stills & and the booze upon discovery, throwing people in jail, issuing fines, seizing weapons - all because they were losing out on tax revenue.
All of that can be applied to current events, and as we can see, the Feds are winning big time. Moonshining is still being done, but on a far lesser scale than even just a few years ago. All that's left now is word of mouth if you're looking to find any, which is tough becasue no one knows how to make it today, is too scared to, or doesn't have room to.
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I just read another article about that arrest- his sentencing was rescheduled to Dec. 15th 208 - right around the corner. The media is performing it's typical spin, painting him as a dangerous outlaw who deliberately defies the laws of the people..
Judge Greer OKs
Defense Motion;
Date Now Dec. 15
By BILL JONES
Staff Writer
The sentencing of Cocke County moonshiner Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton has been delayed until Dec. 15.
Sutton had been scheduled to be sentenced on Sept. 22 in U.S. District Court in Greeneville, but U.S. District Judge Ronnie Greer on Tuesday granted a defense motion to continue the sentencing to a later date. He reset Sutton's sentencing hearing for 1:30 p.m. on Dec. 15.
Sutton, 61, of 324 Upper Road, Parrottsville, had waived indictment and pleaded guilty in April to a two-county federal information that charged him with:
* possessing a .380-caliber semi-automatic pistol and a .38-caliber revolver (after having been convicted of numerous felonies); and
* producing distilled spirits by distillation from mash and other material.
The motion for a continuance of the sentencing hearing to a later date was filed by Assistant Federal Defender Tim S. Moore.
The motion said Sutton had recently received the probation officer's response to Sutton's objections to the pre-sentence report in his case.
"Sutton needs additional time for investigation and research to determine if further objections are called for to the revised pre-sentence report, to determine if any further response to the revised pre-sentence report is required, and to prepare for sentencing," the motion said.
Sentencing Memorandum
Sutton was manufacturing hundreds of gallons of moonshine in Cocke County when he was arrested, according to a sentencing memorandum filed by Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Reeves.
In addition, the sentencing memorandum notes, Sutton "was in possession of multiple firearms after having been convicted of numerous felonies."
"What aggravates these circumstances even more is the fact that Sutton was on probation in Tennessee state court for felony possession of untaxed liquor when the present offense was committed," the government's sentencing memo to the court notes.
"Sutton had been sentenced to two years of unsupervised probation for the state felony charges. This probation did not stop or even slow Sutton's illegal activities."
Sutton's Background
In 1975, Sutton was convicted of numerous federal charges relating to the manufacturing and possession of an unregistered still, distilling apparatus and untaxed liquor, according to the sentencing memo. "He was given probation," the sentencing memo notes.
In 1980, Sutton was convicted of a felony drug offense and was again given a five-year suspended sentence.
He was sentenced to prison for the first time in 1985 on a conviction for an assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, the government's sentencing memo states.
"Since that time," the memo says, "he has been arrested on misdemeanor alcohol violations in North Carolina, felony untaxed liquor violations in Tennessee (mentioned above), and four offenses that were dismissed including burglary, larceny, and alcohol-related offenses."
Moonshine Videos Cited
The government's sentencing memo notes that federal authorities have downloaded videos on the Internet that Sutton made, including "one on how to manufacture alcohol and one of Sutton bragging about his possession of firearms."
Sutton, according to the government's sentencing memo, "has lived his life without respecting the law by committing violent and controlled substances offenses in addition to his numerous alcohol-related offenses."
"Sutton seems to be proud of his disregard for the law, and no sentence thus far has deterred him from his continuing criminal activities," the government sentencing memo states.
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Nothing to add here except that Makers is truly the nectar of the gods.
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I am brewing some beer right now. I have enjoyed brewing for about two years now, and I am looking forward to the day when I can turn out a good enough mash to make it worth distilling. That is when I get the proper permits ;)
Really I imagine this whole history goes back one way or another to the whiskey rebellion.
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I think you can still drink the mash if all the "goop" has settled to the bottom.
Really I imagine this whole history goes back one way or another to the whiskey rebellion.
Which history do you mean?
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Found a really good one this time:
(http://www.beveragewarehouse.com/images/products/1119.gif)
Not too spicy, smells great, tastes sweet (has a little "fruitiness") and just the right amount of peat for my tastes. Really good- and the cost was about $25. Not bad a'tall- I'll be buying more of this.
I also bought this for my gf:
(http://www.frugalmacdoogal.com/liquor_features/images/firefly_sweet_tea_vodka_large.jpg)
It's surely not a drink for the diabetics.. much too sweet for me- but it's goooood!
Picked up some Jack Daniels too just in case the Lismore didn't work out. That stuff's always a safe bet.
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Yep. The Lisomre is still tasty even now.
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So I hear Popcorn Sutton's trial is to be continued until Jan. 26 2009, and so far it looks like he'll be put away for 2 1/2 years. Also heard he's been under house arrest for the last 10 months..
:x
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Old Weller Antique
(http://americanhooch.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/dsc00311.jpg)
Got this one today for about $20. Usually a screw-on cap instead of a cork is a bad sign.. but this is some really good stuff!
107 Proof, so it burns a bit on the way down- but not too badly. Along with a full bourbon taste, there's also something like raisins and vanilla. It's sweet- too sweet for me but only because I'm a diabetic and sensitive to sugary tastes, but I'm sure for most folks it's just fine. Nowhere near as sweet as Southern Comfort by the way.
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Aaahh.. Scotch whisky. Cooked up in small, family owned distilleries in quaint countryside settings. Recipes handed down for generations, preservation of traditions. Not really. It's mass produced these days just like anything else (mostly). Most of the barley used for the whiskies distilled in Scotland is imported even.
Diageo produces Johnny Walker, Guiness, Baileys and a bunch of other shit. Anyway, the economic trouble has hit this industry too.
http://www.packagingnews.co.uk/news/917252/Diageo-cut-700-packing-jobs-Scottish-plant-closure/
And..
Tullamore Dew - good stuff!
Powers Gold Label - didn't like it on ice
Makers Mark - hadn't tried it in years, it's still too syrupy
Glenfiddich - most reviewers say this stuff is the best. I say it's OK.
Red Stag (a Jim Beam product I think) - godawful sweet.
Further notes on the Old Weller - it's fightin' whisky. Gets the job done if you need to become drunk quickly and act like a hooligan (as in preparation for a fight). I don't really like it much anymore.
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I gotta try this Tullamore Dew
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It ain't really unique in a specific way- just all around "good"!
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Tullamore is an Irish, not a Scotch.
Makers Mark is a bourbon.
I take some disagreement with the comment about Scotches being mass produced. The aged labels are what they are. They might produce more then they did, but I wouldn't call it mass-produced. They've learned to maximize the casking space, but you can only pile up so many barrels. Barrels have to be turned. All these places offer tours, they're old school places, not big factories.
There are some genuine scotches that suck, but they've always sucked. Good ones haven't ramped up their production and started using shoddy product and shitty ingredients. I can assure you, that is not how Scotch works. Theres too many bastards observing the process. Scotch-snobs, they'd know if they started using diesel forklifts.
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It ain't really unique in a specific way- just all around "good"!
I just love the name. It sounds succulent and such. "Tullamore Dew". Damn I've got to try it.
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That name'll fool ya.. the "Dew" brings on the notion of water droplets on the countryside foliage.. but it's really named after one of the craftsmen "Daniel E. Williams". Brother B is right- it's Irish (as is Powers also in that brief list).
But Brother B is incorrect, partially at least, in his declaration of authentic Scotch manufacturing. Maximizing the output of a great product is a no-brainer, however, when the marketing dept. projects an image of down-home artisan craftsmanship but in reality it's not much more than a cold, stainless steel factory.. that ain't right.
The old school touring facilities are for the tours. Whiskies are stored all over, bottled in facilities other than those that project the artisan image, and sometimes do not contain water from the region the scoth is named from. Islay scotch is supposed to contain water from only a specific region in Scotland, but at times it ain't so. McClelland's Islay is marketed as such, but it's a blend.. so it could contain spirits created from other regions.
Purists do complain of these unscrupulous, borderline devious, practices. And I thank those Scotch-snobs for exposing these crimes.
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Budget scotch?
(http://www.bevmo.com/Media/Images/ProductImagesFull/2116.jpg)
Clan MacGregor
This'll do the trick every time for me. Cheap as all hell, but its got a good flavor that surprises most people I've given it to who were put off by the cheap plastic bottle.
:D
I'm still gonna try to get my hands on that Tullamore Dew, but I've got to keep my alcohol budget pretty low due to rising ammunition costs!
I found the history on the Clan MacGregor family interesting, although I don't believe the whiskey and the family are necessarily connected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Gregor
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No 'e' when it's scotch!
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Here's a question, why is 'scotch' for whisky and 'scots' for everything else?
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That name'll fool ya.. the "Dew" brings on the notion of water droplets on the countryside foliage.. but it's really named after one of the craftsmen "Daniel E. Williams". Brother B is right- it's Irish (as is Powers also in that brief list).
But Brother B is incorrect, partially at least, in his declaration of authentic Scotch manufacturing. Maximizing the output of a great product is a no-brainer, however, when the marketing dept. projects an image of down-home artisan craftsmanship but in reality it's not much more than a cold, stainless steel factory.. that ain't right.
The old school touring facilities are for the tours. Whiskies are stored all over, bottled in facilities other than those that project the artisan image, and sometimes do not contain water from the region the scoth is named from. Islay scotch is supposed to contain water from only a specific region in Scotland, but at times it ain't so. McClelland's Islay is marketed as such, but it's a blend.. so it could contain spirits created from other regions.
Purists do complain of these unscrupulous, borderline devious, practices. And I thank those Scotch-snobs for exposing these crimes.
Depends on the brand. Stay away from the young ones. Don't knock blends, some blends are better than some singles.
You can usually solve your questions of origin and production with Wiki or a little web-trolling.
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GET SOME LAPHROIG DAMMIT
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Seriously, Jack Daniels and other shit from the South? Are you kidding me? Malt Whiskey? Is that the shit my retarded cousin the cowboy adds coke to? Scotch from Scotland, yum yum yum. As a Canadian I am embarassed that we try to pass off shit like Canadian Club and Crown Royal as drinkable up here. Don't get me started on the fucktards that put water or coke in with their scotch, franks and beans, franks and beans. A good start towards having a good scotch is 10 or more years of aging. Not all of it is peaty or smokey either, just like all moonshine does not burn, try Italian moonshine or grappa as it is called. When it comes to Scotch you usually can't go wrong if it starts with Glen, which is actually a protected trademark, a sign of quality although Glenfiddich in my stuck up opinion is shit and has always been shit. Some good Scotch
http://www.isleofjura.com/ (http://www.isleofjura.com/)
(http://whiskymerchants.co.uk/communities/9/004/005/976/859/images/4516742812.swf)
http://www.oldpulteney.com/home.php (http://www.oldpulteney.com/home.php)
(http://www.whisky-online.be/images/Old_pulteney_21.jpg)
Above stuff = Nice and light, stuff below is even lighter tasting although I have only had the ten year old, the other shit is fucking expensive.
http://www.balblair.com/home.php (http://www.balblair.com/home.php)
(http://www.maltwhisky.com.cn/images/Product%20Sheets/Balblair_10_Year_Old_Single_Malt_UK.gif)
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A kick ass beer company (in Scotland)
http://www.sinclairbreweries.co.uk/home.html (http://www.sinclairbreweries.co.uk/home.html)
Of course as a Canadian in Alberta I like Big Rock Beer
http://www.bigrockbeer.com/#/main/home (http://www.bigrockbeer.com/#/main/home)
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I usually stay around $20-$30 bucks for a bottle. From there prices seem to jump up to $60- so for that price I can buy two bottles of stuff within my budget that I really like, drink some now and have one stashed away.
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I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie 10.
It doesn't suck.
Its very light, not too smoky or peaty. Honey, and a slight salty tongue, it needs a couple rocks and a dash of water to open it. Dry.
Amusing sidenote, the bottleshop guy carded me. I could not convince him I am almost 37. I guess they have a lot of teenagers buying very good Scotch.
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I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie 10.
It doesn't suck.
Its very light, not too smoky or peaty. Honey, and a slight salty tongue, it needs a couple rocks and a dash of water to open it. Dry.
Amusing sidenote, the bottleshop guy carded me. I could not convince him I am almost 37. I guess they have a lot of teenagers buying very good Scotch.
Hahaha, fun. Some of those people are ridiculous, and some just don't give a damn. A couple weeks ago I had lost my drivers license and had a hell of a time getting liquor with my stupid paper DMV temporary license, most places would just say NO NO NO NO, or not ask for ID at all. The guy at this one liquor store though had me get the title and registration for my vehicle to compare with my paper license, and read them for like 25 minutes before saying "okay, cool" and completing the transaction. I was purchasing a bottle of inexpensive single malt, and a 4-pack of some black English brew.
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We've been drinking either Benchmark or W.L. Weller Special Reserve lately. I prefer the Weller.
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I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie 10.
It doesn't suck.
Its very light, not too smoky or peaty. Honey, and a slight salty tongue, it needs a couple rocks and a dash of water to open it. Dry.
Amusing sidenote, the bottleshop guy carded me. I could not convince him I am almost 37. I guess they have a lot of teenagers buying very good Scotch.
Hahaha, fun. Some of those people are ridiculous, and some just don't give a damn. A couple weeks ago I had lost my drivers license and had a hell of a time getting liquor with my stupid paper DMV temporary license, most places would just say NO NO NO NO, or not ask for ID at all. The guy at this one liquor store though had me get the title and registration for my vehicle to compare with my paper license, and read them for like 25 minutes before saying "okay, cool" and completing the transaction. I was purchasing a bottle of inexpensive single malt, and a 4-pack of some black English brew.
If you're all cool, and you can roll a few miles, you should tell that guy to go fuck himself. But its understandable if he's the last option.
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I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie 10.
It doesn't suck.
Its very light, not too smoky or peaty. Honey, and a slight salty tongue, it needs a couple rocks and a dash of water to open it. Dry.
Amusing sidenote, the bottleshop guy carded me. I could not convince him I am almost 37. I guess they have a lot of teenagers buying very good Scotch.
Hahaha, fun. Some of those people are ridiculous, and some just don't give a damn. A couple weeks ago I had lost my drivers license and had a hell of a time getting liquor with my stupid paper DMV temporary license, most places would just say NO NO NO NO, or not ask for ID at all. The guy at this one liquor store though had me get the title and registration for my vehicle to compare with my paper license, and read them for like 25 minutes before saying "okay, cool" and completing the transaction. I was purchasing a bottle of inexpensive single malt, and a 4-pack of some black English brew.
If you're all cool, and you can roll a few miles, you should tell that guy to go fuck himself. But its understandable if he's the last option.
Yeah, the problem was most places wouldn't accept my paper ID for alcohol sales. Fucking stupid Vons would even accept my passport when I finally found it. So I lodged an official complaint with Safeway corporation and the manager called me saying he's very sorry but he doesn't want my business unless I use a state drivers license and not a passport. Fuckin' California. :?
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I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie 10.
It doesn't suck.
Its very light, not too smoky or peaty. Honey, and a slight salty tongue, it needs a couple rocks and a dash of water to open it. Dry.
Amusing sidenote, the bottleshop guy carded me. I could not convince him I am almost 37. I guess they have a lot of teenagers buying very good Scotch.
Hahaha, fun. Some of those people are ridiculous, and some just don't give a damn. A couple weeks ago I had lost my drivers license and had a hell of a time getting liquor with my stupid paper DMV temporary license, most places would just say NO NO NO NO, or not ask for ID at all. The guy at this one liquor store though had me get the title and registration for my vehicle to compare with my paper license, and read them for like 25 minutes before saying "okay, cool" and completing the transaction. I was purchasing a bottle of inexpensive single malt, and a 4-pack of some black English brew.
If you're all cool, and you can roll a few miles, you should tell that guy to go fuck himself. But its understandable if he's the last option.
Yeah, the problem was most places wouldn't accept my paper ID for alcohol sales. Fucking stupid Vons would even accept my passport when I finally found it. So I lodged an official complaint with Safeway corporation and the manager called me saying he's very sorry but he doesn't want my business unless I use a state drivers license and not a passport. Fuckin' California. :?
I guess as a private business they can do whatever they want. I like to remind those people, though, that the drivers license is meant to be a drivers license and not an identification for other things.
I've always thought the State should offer a "vice card" that has nothing on it but your picture and your birthday. No name, no other info. I don't think its fair to require private citizens to trust any fuckinasshole with your name and address.
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try Italian moonshine or grappa as it is called.
nigga, you don know shit from shinola
grappa is the WORST FUCKING BEVERAGE ON THE PLANET
you can run your fucking car offn it...
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here's my comprehensive reviews of whiskey
Jack Daniels - tastes like shit
Jamesons - tastes like shit
Glenfiddich - tastes like shit
Bells - tastes like shit
Glenmorangie - tastes like shit
its brown for a reason
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I'm drinking Makers Mark on the rocks. It's brown and delicious.
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I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie 10.
dude, you said you don drink anymore, in another thread....
what gives?
(tho, i'm glad to have you back on ''our'' side)
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I'm drinking Makers Mark on the rocks. It's brown and delicious.
yeah, brutha..
i became an ''ambassador'' for makers, back in '02, when mah boy was born.
i got his & my name on a barrell, down there..
it's sweet-ass bourbon.
fuck fatcat, the cunt
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I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie 10.
dude, you said you don drink anymore, in another thread....
what gives?
(tho, i'm glad to have you back on ''our'' side)
I allow myself on certain occasions.
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Alert!
After reading a good review on Teacher's I bought a bottle and loved it. Great deal at about $16.. that bottle had a weighty, oily feel to it and a good amount of peat flavor, minimal burn.. good stuff.
The next bottle I bought wasn't good. Tastes like wet wood, no peat, feels more like Listerine in the mouth rather than smooth n' oily.
This is because it's a blended scotch, I reckon. Big difference between the two bottles!
(http://www.beveragewarehouse.com/images/products/6068.jpg)
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I picked up the "cutest little bottle" of red Bush for 6 bucks at the liquor store, along with another "cute little bottle" of Irish Cream and a 4 pack of Guinness. Did some Irish car bombs and sipped on the leftover whiskey. It was enjoyable. Technically you're supposed to use Jameson, but I didn't feel like fleshing out the cash for a whole fifth of that when it was mostly going to be used in what's essentially a mixed drink.
They taste like chocolate cake. Sooo good.
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I cant tell the difference between mixes, or single malts, or what a whiskey is, and what a scotch is.
But, lagavulun is good stuff.
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Whisky is alcohol distilled from grain (and often sugar is mixed in). Whiskey is the same, just the "Scotch English" spelling. Bourbon refers to the American style whisky, usually stronger, sweeter and less refined. Scotch is just whisky made in Scotland, no better than anything else by default, but generally seems smoother. Irish whisky seems less complex than Scotch or bourbon, a little more watery- but it's all to the drinkers taste.
"Single Malt" is whisky made from one type of grain only, not blended with another batch of whisky. Blends are just that, a blend of different grains and/or whiskies distilled from various distilleries.
Water, ingredients, aging and distilling techniques account for the differences in tastes. I prefer the "peat" tasting whiskies.. the most affordable one with good and consistent taste, to me, is McClelland Islay.
(http://www.singlemaltwhiskyshop.com/media/136469/islay-1.jpg)
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I like the ones that taste like wood poured out of a leather sack.
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I haven't tried that sort.