The Free Talk Live BBS
Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: Lindsey on May 08, 2012, 03:10:04 PM
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What's new? Who is new? Who is gone, banned, etc.?
Fill me in.
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place is a ghost town, not exactly the dodge city of yesteryear.
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Jizzy doesn't come in anymore. Nor does Rillion. Really miss her. Shinyvandal's gone too. As is April, and Ecolitan, fatcat, and a bunch of other people.
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Fred still posts shitty music videos that have nothing to fucking do with the threads they are spammed in so not everything has ended.
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Jizzy doesn't come in anymore. Nor does Rillion. Really miss her. Shinyvandal's gone too. As is April, and Ecolitan, fatcat, and a bunch of other people.
You do know that Jizz and I uh...have lived together for 2 and a half years, right? He comes on every once in a while. Shame about Rillion though. I think Shinybandal doesn't come on anymore because it IS a ghost town. Her and I talk on Google pretty much daily. Bummer that almost everyone is gone. :(
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I come around every few days.
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Jizzy doesn't come in anymore. Nor does Rillion. Really miss her. Shinyvandal's gone too. As is April, and Ecolitan, fatcat, and a bunch of other people.
You do know that Jizz and I uh...have lived together for 2 and a half years, right? He comes on every once in a while. Shame about Rillion though. I think Shinybandal doesn't come on anymore because it IS a ghost town. Her and I talk on Google pretty much daily. Bummer that almost everyone is gone. :(
Well aware of the Jizzy situation. Thought the way I put it would be funny. :D
Imma ask Rillion if she's willing to come back.
[actually no, I am going to straight-up beg her]
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Shaw is limited now, BJ has gone down to a trickle. Same with Blackie & Sovereign Curtis. Myself I mostly lurk.
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The Twitterz and the Facebooks and the Googles have taken over everything, pretty much.
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Well, Shaw had been abusing his power as a mod for a while. He needed to be talked to.
Other than that, yes, this place has become a ghost town.
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that.^^
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Fuck y'all. I'm still here!
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This is the end.
(http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/6840/captureni.png)
Shaw is limited now, BJ has gone down to a trickle. Same with Blackie & Sovereign Curtis. Myself I mostly lurk.
blackie is banned.
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I'll tell you what's happened. This BBS used to be a great place for discussion but some of you banded together into an "exclusive club" of asses who would work overtime to be obnoxious (to put it mildly) in order to chase away those who you felt had opinions that you object to. Well it worked... now it's a ghost town. You got your exclusive club so enjoy it...
I come here mainly to get the AMP archives so I must come once a week or I miss some and have to repost the links in order to download them. I only glance at the posts and I marvel that there are only a handful per day when there used to sometimes be so many in one thread that it was hard to keep up with.
I'm posting this and then moving on to other more interesting sites, so flame on to your hearts content, I'll check back in a week...
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I'm here, though not as much these days.
The latest movie and what are you reading thread are what I usually check in on.
Don't often see a new thread worth jumping into. Even the threads about the show seem to be more about slamming one of the hosts for behavior or personality, instead of taking issue with differences of opinion on an issue.
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The Twitterz and the Facebooks and the Googles have taken over everything, pretty much.
This. The simplest answer wins. The Facebook Borg is assimilating efficiently. It's not just this site. I'm seeing it all over.
The last ones to go will likely be the particularly specialized boards where users want privacy from anyone other than those who share their interests, like boards about sexual kinks or radical racial separatism. One of the crazy busiest sites I visit is for transsexuals and their supporters. O... M... G... is that site busy!
Humorously enough, Christian Anarchist's diagnosis is probably the exact opposite of why this forum (like most) is actually dying. It has failed to be specialized enough to escape the Borg assimilation. Not quite--being very specialized is not the same as being cliquish, which is what he's referring to.
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Thanks for the retweet, Dale. :P
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The anarchy crashed and burned on this site. I enjoyed everyone's posts, the good the bad and the ugly. We were the little rascals, Laurel and Hardy, Amos and Andy, The Bowery Boys, and Three Stooges all wrapped into one. Hell we even had a Rat Pack of sorts. Black and White ruled!
I came here for inspiration. Now, all I get are homosexual pictures. It just ain't no fun no more.
Its like color came into our lives and ruined it for everyone. There seems to be no direction, most posts are written as if the poster had a recent lobotomy. Are we confused by the current political and economic situations that seem to permeate our existence? Or, are we just confused? Scared? Apprehensive? I don't know.
There is no "spark" in here, now. What would it take to bring it back? Can it be brought back?
Thoughts? Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
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I truly believe the major reason was John Shaw and Bradsky. I'm not saying that "over-moderation" was the problem, i'm saying that theyrovoked people and then banned them or scared them away. And those who they didnt were too afraid to say anything for fear of the same. There wasnt a problem with moderation, that healthy, it was the moderators themselves.
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BJ did most of the banning. John Shaw and Braskey merely provoked and bullied others. Fear isn't quite the right word. I don't like to see my friends get picked on, but getting upset about a stupid message board when there wasn't anything I could really do about it seemed like a waste of energy. I reported to Ian what I thought. He sided with his people. I think this is wrong of course, but the fact is Ian's loyalty to his group is something I kind of respect about him. I personally miss Dragline, but he won't crawl and kiss mod ass to be here and I don't blame him. I have to admit I thought Blackie's rogue cop mod banning thing was pretty funny although no one learned anything from it.
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Yeah, its a bit of all of this. The Facebooks, the mod thing, the lack of new blood, strong personalities that can tend to silence the more meek minded people that might want to speak, but fear ridicule, stuff like conspiracy theorist types that posted and got ripped on and or lauged at. I'll admit, I took part some of that myself a few times. Never meant to silence anyone by making fun of it, but sometimes thats how it comes off to someone that doesn't really know you. So many things coming together to kill it.
Who knows, maybe someday, if and when more people wake up in larger numbers to the whole farce of government being the answer to peoples problems, there will be a resurgence to this BBS. Maybe its just a cyclical thing.
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maybe there will be more posts in the EB thread
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Well, there are solutions.
Post new threads. Everybody, find something to talk about, even if only you think you're interested.
Then, talk on other peoples threads.
Once the lurkers start joining, it'll be hopping again.
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maybe there will be more posts in the EB thread
EB?
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I love how everyone is diagnosing the drop in traffic in whatever manner is the most self-serving in terms of getting the BBS to be what they want it to be. I guess that shouldn't be surprising.
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maybe there will be more posts in the EB thread
EB?
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/excellent-breasts/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/excellent-breasts/)
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maybe there will be more posts in the EB thread
EB?
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/excellent-breasts/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/excellent-breasts/)
D'oh! Can't believe I forgot about that thread.
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I lost interest in this BBS when it disintegrated into mainly an all-troll zone.
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Just be yourself - if nobody likes you then fuck em!
So Long Bannatyne-The Guess Who.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43LK-3eBp4Y#)
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Personally, I have no interest in having discussions with people who nitpick details and look for loose ends to pull apart a thread. Generally speaking, if I see something that's factually incorrect, I might provide a statement or opinion to clarify things as I see it. For me, it wasn't the clowning trolls, but the vicious trolls who ruined this place. People who enjoyed belittling others, presumably because they're unhappy with their own place in the order of life. I will say "thats stupid" to cut through the noise, but it is usually without malice. I won't spend inordinate amounts of time pounding away at a topic just to provide entertainment for a twisted shithead.
I have no idea what the status of other mods is, like Blackie's situation is completely new news to me, as of this very moment. I found out BJ left when it said "guest" under his name. I don't spend any time under the hood, looking through profiles. Unless I have a damn good reason.
So the assertions of a mod squad is complete bullshit, at least from my chair. I don't communicate with any of 'em, except for John and Mike on FB occasionally. And when I do, this place usually isn't mentioned much, if at all. Shaw is only limited by his willingness to participate, like myself.
When the last flare-up occurred, I simply used a 1-2 combination of strategic trolling and creative use of the tool kit provided to mods. Nobody liked it, but it drove the point home: If you can say what you want unrestrained, so can I. Thats not bullying, that was a direct result of people arguing that they can say or do anything. It made them realize, maybe being banned was the appropriate action on a public forum. After all, thats the method employed on every other public forum in the known universe. ...Including the sister-forums like FK and all the other Porc boards.
The purpose of this forum is to accompany FTL interactively with listeners and give the listening audience a place to congregate, exchange ideas, meet one another and interact. Its other purpose is to generate revenue for the show. It is NOT a place to push the limits of legality, endanger the safety of the owner, or belittle people for their differences, ethnicities, sexuality, religions, or philosophies. That, and the fighting is - I believe - what drives people away.
When you give people a place that welcomes all, without prejudice, you will get a more diverse crowd. Generally speaking, people typically want some sort of behavioral limits. They do not want to see graphic pics unexpectedly or blatantly racist attacks on people who are different in some way. Its just not cool, and it doesn't belong here. Its called "hate speech" for a reason.
Granted, the social media explosion is taking large chunks of traffic away from here. However, there will always be people who want to express their opinions in long-form, away from their Facebook personae which is usually a little more reserved due to its direct association with their actual life.
For what it's worth, I exchanged a few PM's with a black dude who recently re-joined the forum. I told him a few of the people who used to rag his ass and bait him into arguments are no longer here, and we've tightened up the policy regarding bigotry, and will enforce it. He seemed pleased and said something to the effect of that shit was out of control. So, for that alone, I know it was worth the effort.
You may now return to your virtually unmoderated conversation, already in progress. Have a nice day.
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I truly believe the major reason was John Shaw and Bradsky. I'm not saying that "over-moderation" was the problem, i'm saying that theyrovoked people and then banned them or scared them away. And those who they didnt were too afraid to say anything for fear of the same. There wasnt a problem with moderation, that healthy, it was the moderators themselves.
Did you forget you were banned, under the name SeriousSplinters?
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So who is who? I can tell which one is Brasky, but the rest of you that have changed your names have me all over the place.
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Actually, this thread is who it says it is, with the exception of Turd Ferguson, who is Quickmike.
And the GrossObese whateverthefuck, is a previously banned dude (not by me) who went under the handle of SeriousSplinters, and ran the gamut of annoyance across the NH local boards. I believe he's banned there as well. Universally. Intergalactic. All realms, possibly even the IRC.
But he's not my baby. I'm just pointing it out.
Also, hi. Hope you're groovy.
(Oh, and whitey is blackie)
(You, or anyone, can delete this post if you believe it unfairly names names. I don't care. Was just answering the question)
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No secret I had issues with the core mod group, but the main reason I left was the repetition.
It's even occurring now in this thread... idle accusations and finger pointing all over the place.
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<<<Has more important things to do* than wrangle assholes anymore.
I check in three times a day and ban reported spammers and trolls and I no longer participate in conversations because you can't have one here without some random acting like a giant cock or one more tired fucker bringing up old wars to try and light 'em up again**.
I'll talk to people on FB and G+ where I'm not obligated to put up with anyone's horseshit. Things are civil there.
*Getting the movie ready for Porcfest, organizing the film festival at Porcfest, promoting shit at (You see the pattern). Also all sorts of non Porcfest related shit that is more important than wrangling assholes, like pissing, shitting, masturbating, breathing, cleaning my toenails, doing things LIKE A BOSS etc.
**It's obvious that on the BBS you can't be both a mod and a participant because whiney bitches will rebuke every argument you make with accusations of threats and abuses of mod powers. So I'll just be a mod and quietly do what mods do.
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http://bbs.freetalklive.com/announcements/welcome (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/announcements/welcome)!-you-agreed-to-these-terms/
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The purpose of this forum is to accompany FTL interactively with listeners and give the listening audience a place to congregate, exchange ideas, meet one another and interact.
And view excellent boobies. You forgot about the boobies.
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"Did you forget you were banned, under the name SeriousSplinters?"
Yep, banned by John Shaw. Luckily, Ian unbanned me because after reading what I was banned for, he was left scratching his head. And sure, ive changed my behavior, but the guy was having temper tantrums online (E-Tantrums) and obviously I wasnt the only one who thought so.
Im still working on getting back on the Shire forum which Dalebert ejaculated me from, i believe i'll know whether or nor im back in later today.
he point is that there was a time when moderator were ruining things for anyone who dissented from the norm, and now Ian is trying to fix what was done on his private property. I say he is doing a good job, at least for me.
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http://www.cracked.com/blog/9-types-job-that-will-destroy-your-soul_p2/ (http://www.cracked.com/blog/9-types-job-that-will-destroy-your-soul_p2/)
Being a mod is a lot like #1 and being a mod where every decision is up for public debate is a bit like #3. Not exactly, of course. A forum, like a business, has goals, and there is behavior that's counter-productive to achieving those goals. On a forum, your customers are also your producers, which complicates things even more and makes those roles even more soul-sucking. One big difference though, MODS TYPICALLY DON'T GET PAID for the soul-sucking roles they must fill!
Just keep that in mind when you're mod-hatin'.
And just on a side note, I'm technically a mod here, but I hardly do anything with it because I just don't have much passion for goals of this forum. It's not very specific. It's largely a shoot-the-shit and have fun kinda forum, which is fine and intrinsically doesn't need as much moderation as a forum with more specific goals. It's more like an ongoing party and the only people you need to throw out are people who are just royally fucking up the party for lots of people.
Successful (active) forums realize how necessary mods are for their goals and that's why one of the most common hard and fast rules is you don't publicly argue with TOS or mod decisions. Yes, you can PM mods to discuss things within reason, to a point, but not such that it becomes badgering. Without that, you're going to have some serious turnover for mods unless you can actually afford to start paying them to deal with every Tom, Dick, and Harry who doesn't agree with how the forum is being run and wants to change it in some way, instead of just starting their own forum and running it THEIR way and proving (in a relatively free market) that it's such a better way of doing things.
A great complimentary policy to the hard and fast no arguing with TOS and mods would be that the forum will make a final thread for any person banned which links to his or her own board and lock and sticky it for a week or a month or whatever. You feel strongly that a person was banned inappropriately? Leave and go to his or her forum. Grass is always greener...
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The grass is always greener. But sometimes a mod is pissing on the grass (provoking people and then banning them, ruining the forum) It looks like someone stopped the mod from pissing on the grass here, and for that i am grateful.
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Let us review:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/apparently-i-best-be-watchin'-mah-step-boss/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/apparently-i-best-be-watchin'-mah-step-boss/)
Evidently we are all a bunch of assholes. That was a long winded fight that escalated from nothing. As far as I can tell it started with Shaw picking a fight with Dragline, then BJ wanting a peace of yours truly and so on. In both instances it was someone with stars starting the aggression. I would rather learn from all this. Just enjoy the BBS. Arguing here is not something to take too seriously. I see no point in busting on the people who do either.
Both Shaw and BJ are doing some great productive stuff these days and I wish them well.
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Yep, banned by John Shaw. Luckily, Ian unbanned me because after reading what I was banned for, he was left scratching his head.
Yeah I sent an email to Ian about this.
Here is his response -
Never talked to this person. Fuck him.
GrossObeseBugEyed is banned.
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Yep, banned by John Shaw. Luckily, Ian unbanned me because after reading what I was banned for, he was left scratching his head.
Yeah I sent an email to Ian about this.
Here is his response -
Never talked to this person. Fuck him.
GrossObeseBugEyed is banned.
I Lol'd. No shit I really did.
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Let's clear up the righteous mod bullshit.
Months ago probably, awhile ago anyway, a little birdie told me to check out a post from one mod to another mod's facebook page, so I did. To avoid drama I didn't say shit about it here - and to avoid further drama I'm not gonna name names, though I usually do. Here's the text (took a screenshot too in case it disappears).
(name withheld)
Hi there! Guess what? Theres a word filter in the new build. Go try to write the variations of the N. and preview it. EPIC win. I LAUGHED MY BALLS OFF. And it's retroactive. The whole site. Every post, ever. That dickhead has five thousand posts saying whatever the fuck we want. HAHAHA!"
I know a lot of mature, calm, collected, noble, emotionally stable men and none of them ever display giddy emotion such as that.
The claim has been that the mods are the real victims here and they only engage in fair play and would never jerk around posters at the BBS. Hhm. How about that. You can't skew this statement, but won't be surprised if someone tries.
I don't know who the "dickhead" is, probably dragline since he's the only one who used "the N.", and not in a racist way. Too bad he was banned and can't speak for himself here.
The people at this BBS are the most tolerant group of people I've ever interacted with online. Well - were - the most tolerant I should say. Was a wasted effort to enforce tolerance here.
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Before I'm called a stalker, etc. - just don't. I'm not and it won't change what's been said. Everyone here posts enough to make stalking unnecessary.
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Ah come on Mr. Billy give these brave mods their benefit of the doubt. That Dude trolled before and even though he tried to mend his ways...Once a troll always a troll. We should put Trolls on a trollcrime registry and ban and intimidate and ostracise them forever.
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Ah come on Mr. Billy give these brave mods their benefit of the doubt. That Dude trolled before and even though he tried to mend his ways...Once a troll always a troll. We should put Trolls on a trollcrime registry and ban and intimidate and ostracise them forever.
Agreed - crush the resistance to our opinion! Our opinion reflects my feelings and we do not have a better argument so crush them!
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It isn't right for me to use the generic term "mods". Lindsey, Mike, Dale, blackie & ecolitan (and maybe even others.. who knows how many mods there are here) have never become power mad. So to be clear - I ain't talking about those guys. Anyone who's visited here regularly might know the scoop on who I've had troubles with.
That should state things clearly enough so that I avoid getting trolled for rehashing old shit, being accused of the horrid "collectivism!", etc.
Seeking a drama free, emotionally detached, honest, logical solution to these issues. Have not a care in the world for more drama.
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Have not a care in the world for more drama.
Yet you never fucking shut up about it.
QQ more.
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I don't believe that FB and twitter are the reasons for the decline here. I have 2 forums I visit on an almost daily basis and there's plenty of heated discussion going on. Corvetteforums.com and ronpaulforums.com. I post as "ChristianAnarchist" on both and have plenty of opposition on the corvette forum (not so much on RPforums of course). Still there are many posts in threads at both of these.
I can't see how FB is even popular. There's no real structure or discussion. Each account is just a string of posts without any real organization. Try to find something you wrote 5 weeks ago on some page (good luck with that). Twitter is even more worthless. Oh, it's great for getting a flash news item out to a group of people, but with the limited tweet size you can't get much of a discussion going.
I think forums are here to stay and then there's the ability to go anonymous with nothing more than an ip address to identify the poster. Hell, FB knows more about you than your mother and I'm sure twitter does too. I try to never give REAL information on those two (and I don't even touch the Google alternative for obvious reasons).
Hell, look at this thread, it's the most active discussion I've seen here for a long time.
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Grow the fuck up
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Yeah, I wrote that. It was in reference to Dragline, and others (like yourself) who were using every conceivable variation of offensive PROHIBITED bigotry. I found a solution other than banning, which was vehemently and strenuously argued against.
Any by the way, it still is in effect.
So, if you find yourself saying objectionable things (see the link (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/announcements/welcome!-you-agreed-to-these-terms/) provided about discretion), bear in mind, theres more than one way to skin a cat. You may find yourself advertising your services as a lot lizard, and might have to review several thousand posts.
The word filter is magic, and I was delighted to find it. In fact, you're one of the reasons I found it. So anybody who doesn't like it's potential has you to thank.
I will point out one thing.. While I may have posted an enthusiastic message to a friends FB page... A more curious act is someone combing through peoples FB pages when they are: A) not friends with them, and B) engaged in a prolonged argument with that person. I guess thats why some people lock their pages. I guess, at their core, some people are just Peeping Toms, taking photos and running up the back-channels, combing through peoples stuff.
Its not a huge leap of logic to assume you went from there to my page, scoped out my kids and stuff (which I have since restricted my settings). Thats pretty sleazy.
So, what have we learned? I attempt to prevent damage and discourage problems, and run through the gamut of escalation - which is widely agreed to be a fair method. And you rake shit.
Stay classy, home boy.
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I don't believe that FB and twitter are the reasons for the decline here. I have 2 forums I visit on an almost daily basis and there's plenty of heated discussion going on. Corvetteforums.com and ronpaulforums.com. I post as "ChristianAnarchist" on both and have plenty of opposition on the corvette forum (not so much on RPforums of course). Still there are many posts in threads at both of these.
I can't see how FB is even popular. There's no real structure or discussion. Each account is just a string of posts without any real organization. Try to find something you wrote 5 weeks ago on some page (good luck with that). Twitter is even more worthless. Oh, it's great for getting a flash news item out to a group of people, but with the limited tweet size you can't get much of a discussion going.
I think forums are here to stay and then there's the ability to go anonymous with nothing more than an ip address to identify the poster. Hell, FB knows more about you than your mother and I'm sure twitter does too. I try to never give REAL information on those two (and I don't even touch the Google alternative for obvious reasons).
Hell, look at this thread, it's the most active discussion I've seen here for a long time.
It depends on peoples preferences. Some people don't like forums at all. Some like their info fast and current. Personally, I like both methods for a variety of reasons. I like to follow certain people on Twitter, but hardly post on it. Its a specific tool with a specific purpose.
While we're on the topic, theres a whole bunch of websites that have different spins on how they operate. Blogs like Wordpress and Tumblr, Whosay, Foursquare...
I wouldn't exactly say forums are entirely dying, but the scene is changing rapidly. Only a few years ago, MySpace was all the rage, and now it's a joke. Some people have a preference for vlogging on YouTube or Vimeo, some allow commentary, some close comments. Some restrict themselves to a few places and post exhaustively, and make a name for themselves - like on Huffington Post. Some people are quite well known entirely through their comments on news articles. It all depends on what piques your interest and how you choose to broadcast your opinions.
And age has a lot to do with it.. When everyone is "there", some people think its uncool to be in the mainstream, and search for more hip places to gel with "their own kind".
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Wow, this thread made it what, two pages before becoming retarded.
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I'm still around and haven't changed my name or avatar since joining :)
Anyway, I check in usually a few times a week but there's hardly anything going on anymore. I'd say a good 50-75% of the stuff posted here is intra-forum drama that I know very little about and don't care to educate myself on or participate in. I post sometimes, but almost never start new threads because there are so few people here that it's not worth the time or effort. I share most of my stuff on G+ now or on Facebook depending on the audience I'm going for. I'm also busier now, and don't have as much time to write essay-like for forum posts.
How's Chicago been treating you?
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...another timeless ramble from the lap of Ol Pap Brasky. ..c'mere shonny lemme tell ye about life..
It's good that you explained yourself. I don't share that need.
There are enough other people providing (or did provide, before leaving or being banned) negative feedback about mod activity here to cause concern. Whether or not you guys accept the criticism is up to you.
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...another timeless ramble from the lap of Ol Pap Brasky. ..c'mere shonny lemme tell ye about life..
It's good that you explained yourself. I don't share that need.
There are enough other people providing (or did provide, before leaving or being banned) negative feedback about mod activity here to cause concern. Whether or not you guys accept the criticism is up to you.
I think the beginning of the end was when BonerJoe became moderator. Giving a troll that kind of power just went straight to his head. Before that he was just a jerk that could usually be handled by shooting some of his own spam tactics back at him (like I did) but when he had the "power" he did stupid things like DELETING my thread that had been going for YEARS and was a very active area of discussion in itself (one of the most popular threads ever on FTL - sans breasts).
Once on life-support, it takes a lot of care and work to recover and I don't see any efforts here to revive it, so get used to the death rattle here, it's not going away anytime soon.
RIP
P.S. Even the breasts thread hasn't had any new posts in over a month - yes, I do check breasts... 8)
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I would say it was the biggest tough guy contest between Shaw and BJ, but you are probably right. I learned a lot from it though, so I don't mind so much.
As a aside the phenomenon to have this dynamic between two enabling pricks is used in army training. It is not one asshole DI in basic training (like often depicted in war films) it is always two working in concert to intimidate even the toughest recruits into quiet compliance. This works great in a place making army guys, not so great as security at a party where people are supposed to be voluntarily having a good time.
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By the way Gene, I don't think you are being very fair. Dale has been working hard updating the various "butts" threads and I update the "santorum" thread at least once a week.
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Actually what's hilarious is that I can basically drop off the BBS for three months at a time, say next to nothing and fucking crybabies are still screaming to high heaven about how much of a "Tough Guy" I am. We're getting well into "Obvious troll is obvious" territory here.
For the record, when you ragequit a while back who was it who reached out to you and told you that they'd rather you not leave?
PROTIP - It wasn't Ian.
So if you wanna go on fixating about what an asshole I am go ahead, but as I recall I was bummed to see you wanting to leave and asked you to come back.
I can post the emails if you'd like - Here are the exchanges -
IAN - Any idea what I should do about this guy? It appears he's a $20 a month AMPer. Obviously just cause someone AMPs shouldn't give them free range to troll, but perhaps someone was hasty with him?
If you say cut him loose, I'll cut him loose.
ME -
Huh.
Alaric has been bitching non stop about the mods, but he hasn't been abusive or particularly trollish and I don't understand why he would have been banned.
He is historically a cool guy but this ongoing bitchfest has got to stop. Basically half of the front page of General is Hellbilly and Alaric complaining constantly for the last couple days.
They have decided that the mods are conspiring to stomp out any dissent from users and have been feeding off of each other.
Maybe I should email him and discuss it? Hellbilly is generally an ass, but Alaric probably hasn't earned a ban. (Yet)
IAN - ...Feel free to reach out to him. I'll hold off until my usual AMP day (Sat) before pulling his account.
Thanks,
Ian
Also note what I said about Hellbilly and doubly note that he's never been banned.
So quit fucking busting my balls man.
This is what I see when I watch these bullshit dustups -
1. Specific users calling "the mods" names and accusing them of abuse.
2. Mods eventually get fucking fed up because they don't have to put up with abusive shit forever.
3. Mod tells the user off repeatedly for several months.
4. User calls the mod names and accuses them of abuse.
5. Mod finally removes the user for being a fucking asshole troll.
6. Another user has a fucking hissy fit about mods being abusive and cites the banned troll as evidence.
7. Return to step #1.
This is all about people being bummed that they can't use other people as punching bags around here anymore and trying to twist shit around in their heads so they can feel like the good guy.
So quit bitching, quit busting balls, and quit whining. Please.
Or don't and eventually sink to the point of repeated name calling and other abusive behavior and eventually after months of it get yourself banned for violating the TOS.
I barely post anymore. I just quietly do mods stuff. The idea that I'm running around jumping up into people's grill and bullying them enough to be worthy of dropping my name is genuinely fucking stupid unless the only point is to get me to respond, in which case you're just fuckin' trolling anyhow and that is ultimately self correcting.
In before you accuse me of threatening to ban anyone.
Highs odds that it was a fucking waste of my time to write all this but I gave it a shot anyhow just for the sake of trying to be somewhat civil. (Maybe if you could hear the tone of voice in my head you'd understand that this entire post is fairly lighthearted from my end. It's really not any sort of angry scrawl. It's just the John Shaw way of saying "Can't we just drop this shit once and for all?"
I won't be posting again in this thread so have the last word.
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I don't want to go there either. I stand by what I said before. I don't like what some people do. I know there is nothing I can do about it. When I have locked horns with you, it had the motivation of trying to get legit traffic back up. It was never anything personnel.
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I don't want to go there either. I stand by what I said before. I don't like what some people do. I know there is nothing I can do about it. When I have locked horns with you, it had the motivation of trying to get legit traffic back up. It was never anything personnel.
Yeah, that'll never work again.
That sort of fucking bullshit almost cost me an eye.
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I don't get that stressed at even really evil trolls. I'll try and be more understanding. Good luck with your movie.
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...another timeless ramble from the lap of Ol Pap Brasky. ..c'mere shonny lemme tell ye about life..
It's good that you explained yourself. I don't share that need.
[...]Whether or not you guys accept the criticism is up to you.
Irony. Criticism of bad behavior is what pushed you into battle mode, from which you never regained your composure.
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...another timeless ramble from the lap of Ol Pap Brasky. ..c'mere shonny lemme tell ye about life..
It's good that you explained yourself. I don't share that need.
[...]Whether or not you guys accept the criticism is up to you.
Irony. Criticism of bad behavior is what pushed you into battle mode, from which you never regained your composure.
All it takes is a stroll through my post history here to see otherwise. Criticism has never bothered me, I like it just as much as a solid opposing viewpoint. It's common, and a pity, those who can't cope in those situations typically resort to aggression as a result.
As for the word filter, I'd encourage people who are concerned about offensive speech to try it out. I haven't in some time, but last I checked all sorts of offensive words are not filtered here. Before any implications surface that I'm a main reason for the word filter's existence - again, just check my post history. The whole story is there, unaltered. I assume it's all unaltered anyway, posts being changed by mods has happened here.
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M00t (Christopher Poole creator of 4chan) explains the decline of web forums.
Note the usage of the term "tribe finding".
Chris Poole part 1/3- ROFLCON 2012 - Solo Panel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5adlMZFVEA#ws)
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...another timeless ramble from the lap of Ol Pap Brasky. ..c'mere shonny lemme tell ye about life..
It's good that you explained yourself. I don't share that need.
[...]Whether or not you guys accept the criticism is up to you.
Irony. Criticism of bad behavior is what pushed you into battle mode, from which you never regained your composure.
All it takes is a stroll through my post history here to see otherwise. Criticism has never bothered me, I like it just as much as a solid opposing viewpoint. It's common, and a pity, those who can't cope in those situations typically resort to aggression as a result.
As for the word filter, I'd encourage people who are concerned about offensive speech to try it out. I haven't in some time, but last I checked all sorts of offensive words are not filtered here. Before any implications surface that I'm a main reason for the word filter's existence - again, just check my post history. The whole story is there, unaltered. I assume it's all unaltered anyway, posts being changed by mods has happened here.
Criticism obviously bothers you, otherwise you wouldn't refute it to such lengths, or try to circumvent requests of the owner to modify your behavior to a civilized manner. Example, changing your username to NiggerSpicKikeFaggot was an end-run around the request, and you got locked in the basement for it. A fuckin' nine year old can comprehend why that is unacceptable. So, essentially, you were throwing a tantrum that got squelched. And you still refuse to own it.
No shit all words are not filtered. There is no way to do that. If one is abused, it can be modified. That is the purpose of the tool. Currently NO words are filtered.
Example, if you started calling black folks "coons", I would remove your ability to do that. And I'd probably do it creatively to embarrass you in the process.
You can damage your reputation any way you want, makes no difference to me. But you're not gonna do it here where it reflects negatively on other peoples property, identity, and income. Do it on your own FB page, or shove it up your ass.
For the umpteenth time, I refer you to the TOS and the owners explanation. (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/announcements/welcome!-you-agreed-to-these-terms/) Don't like it, take it up with him. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to drop you off if you insist on having it your way, cause this ain't fuckin' Burger King.
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Example, changing your username to NiggerSpicKikeFaggot was an end-run around the request, and you got locked in the basement for it
I stopped reading your comment at that point.
Why you'd try to extend this discussion is beyond me.. it's been covered numerous times. And I didn't use "the N." as part of the offensive name, I used other slurs to make the point that your filter falls short of protecting the feelings of other groups. That point still stands.
What you and Shaw routinely do is not criticism, it's simple name calling. By all means, critique away, anyone, but be accurate with your claims, bring valid points, make your argument a good one. It's been done here before - several people have made me rethink my positions, and I like it. Overall, the points I've made here are solid and have only been dodged or challenged by people arguing from an emotional standpoint.
You, Shaw & BJ act or have acted like assholes. You're all pals, old timers at this BBS. "Insiders" would be an accurate way to put it. Nothing wrong with that at all - but, typically, you all get one-sided and automatically take one anothers side on issues. That's where the trouble is. It even spread to Letitia who was pretty eager to ban me for something I had no involvement in.
Banning people, deleting threads, editing people's posts, etc. Gene gave his story, you know mine, and the others are no longer here to share their stories because they've been banned or grew tired of the routine and left.
That is criticism. Take it or leave it but don't forget that the effects of what I've described are in plain sight. The message hasn't just come from me - I'm just the last guy here willing to tell you.
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We covered that already, Brasky, you including "the N." into the offensive name.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/apparently-i-best-be-watchin%27-mah-step-boss/msg650587/#msg650587 (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/apparently-i-best-be-watchin%27-mah-step-boss/msg650587/#msg650587)
It's okay, stuff like that happens all the time here. So often in fact there's an entire thread dedicated to it.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/is-hellbilly-racist/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/is-hellbilly-racist/)
Trouble is, I don't use "the N.". I don't use any slurs, even the ones that are permitted here. Another spot of trouble seems to be that, in all the years of being accused, there's no evidence at all that I'm a racist. Only accusations and emotional arguments from the same 3-4 people.
Huh.
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Hellbilly, I was given the thumbs up to ban you over a year ago.
As far as I am concerned the only thing that would ever actually push you into ban territory is the constant goddamn bitching and moaning about the mods, and not the race issue.
At least at this point.
But I don't even fucking sit around and think about it, and frankly the mods almost never talk about it. You see connections where there are none.
Yes, Brasky and BJ and I are friends, and we often agree. Ask BJ about the number of times that he's disagreed with me though. You'd be surprised.
There is no monolithic force working against dissent. There is no cabal. There's just you and people like you screaming bloody fucking murder until some mod gets fed up and then another you or person like you to take up the mantle of screaming bloody fucking murder when the first person finally gets removed.
Abide by the BBS Terms of Service or get banned. Every possible controversial point on the new TOS is followed with the codicil "At the discretion of the moderators." - That extra little bit was added just for you. It essentially put an end to your fucking endless language lawyering about which words were permitted and which ones weren't.
Again, abide by the BBS Terms of Service or be removed.
If you keep dropping my name every second post whilst bitching about moderator abuse you're eventually gonna get banned for trolling. Latitude on trolling is very fucking wide, but as I said, I had the ticket to remove you a year ago.
<<<Tired of your shit but still willing to put up with it a little while longer because he hopes you'll eventually lay the fuck off of him and be civil. Hope springs eternal.
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I really just skim his diatribes, and point out the idiotic name-change, which he likes to pretend never happened.
None of it matters, it's just him shouting at the sky. The argument is completely irrational, similar to him yelling "Why is Huck Finn allowed in the library, but I can't shout it in the hallways?"
Because its all a matter of perspective and intent, thats why.
He can say whatever he wants, until he says something the wrong way. And I don't think he's ever said much the wrong way (aside from the name change), he just insists he should be able to, ad nauseum. He enjoys the argument, which probably indicates a whole bunch of weird critters in his attic.
My advice is what I'd tell anyone who disagrees with a policy - fuckin' LEAVE. It works for me, theres plenty of places I don't go- both online and IRL.
Mike said it best the other day. He said "If I had a house party and put a sign on my doghouse that says "DO NOT FUCK MY DOG", and then some asshole insisted he should be allowed to fuck my dog, I'd throw him the fuck out."
Can't be much more clear than that.
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I'll tell you what's happened. This BBS used to be a great place for discussion but some of you banded together into an "exclusive club" of asses who would work overtime to be obnoxious (to put it mildly) in order to chase away those who you felt had opinions that you object to. Well it worked... now it's a ghost town. You got your exclusive club so enjoy it...
I come here mainly to get the AMP archives so I must come once a week or I miss some and have to repost the links in order to download them. I only glance at the posts and I marvel that there are only a handful per day when there used to sometimes be so many in one thread that it was hard to keep up with.
I'm posting this and then moving on to other more interesting sites, so flame on to your hearts content, I'll check back in a week...
Yeah, we're a cabal and it's all about you. Since we discouraged you there's no longer anything interesting here and no one comes around.
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Let's clear up the righteous mod bullshit.
Months ago probably, awhile ago anyway, a little birdie told me to check out a post from one mod to another mod's facebook page, so I did. To avoid drama I didn't say shit about it here - and to avoid further drama I'm not gonna name names, though I usually do. Here's the text (took a screenshot too in case it disappears).
(name withheld)
Hi there! Guess what? Theres a word filter in the new build. Go try to write the variations of the N. and preview it. EPIC win. I LAUGHED MY BALLS OFF. And it's retroactive. The whole site. Every post, ever. That dickhead has five thousand posts saying whatever the fuck we want. HAHAHA!"
I know a lot of mature, calm, collected, noble, emotionally stable men and none of them ever display giddy emotion such as that.
The claim has been that the mods are the real victims here and they only engage in fair play and would never jerk around posters at the BBS. Hhm. How about that. You can't skew this statement, but won't be surprised if someone tries.
I don't know who the "dickhead" is, probably dragline since he's the only one who used "the N.", and not in a racist way. Too bad he was banned and can't speak for himself here.
The people at this BBS are the most tolerant group of people I've ever interacted with online. Well - were - the most tolerant I should say. Was a wasted effort to enforce tolerance here.
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Before I'm called a stalker, etc. - just don't. I'm not and it won't change what's been said. Everyone here posts enough to make stalking unnecessary.
I love it when someone tries to provoke an argument which ends with "and don't start anything."
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Funny how that one post from Lindsey prompted folks to post shit...
She must be hot as fuck! Pics anyone?
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Hellbilly, be the bigger man.
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Thanks to all the people who engage in the thankless and somewhat masochistic task of being a moderator here.
No thanks to the trolls and haters.
I agree with Dalebert - Facebook is killing forums. It's hard to get people to leave FB for forums, despite forums being better for discussions for some of the reasons Gene gave earlier.
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*High Five*
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Thanks to all the people who engage in the thankless and somewhat masochistic task of being a moderator here.
No thanks to the trolls and haters.
I agree with Dalebert - Facebook is killing forums. It's hard to get people to leave FB for forums, despite forums being better for discussions for some of the reasons Gene gave earlier.
And I actually HATE facebook. It's hard to follow AND it's more closed than forums...
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Thanks to all the people who engage in the thankless and somewhat masochistic task of being a moderator here.
No thanks to the trolls and haters.
I agree with Dalebert - Facebook is killing forums. It's hard to get people to leave FB for forums, despite forums being better for discussions for some of the reasons Gene gave earlier.
And I actually HATE facebook. It's hard to follow AND it's more closed than forums...
Facebook has its purposes.
Look... theres only so many hours in a day. People have a bunch of tabs open, they skitter back and forth from FB, to surfing news articles, to watching a few YouTubes, to viewing a few shows on Netflix, to checking Twitter, to listening to a podcast..
Its really no wonder forums are taking a dive. Especially if the specific forum experience is like a bunch of snarling dogs. Who the fuck enjoys that shit? Thats why forums require a little bit of oversight. Because with the exodus of good-natured polite people, it becomes a Mad Max wasteland.
Theres plenty of room for jokesters, and people with an irreverent sense of humor. But like they used to say in the old-timey Western movies, you better say that with a smile on your face, or them's fightin' words.
Nobody seems to "get it", you can bust balls if thats your thing. Your friends will appreciate a good joke, and a mature recipient will laugh it off.
Hell, even Libman knew when to draw the line, eventually. And if theres people with a bigger disconnect from etiquette than Libman, and they don't get the loose rules to abide... theres something wrong with those fucks.
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For discussions and sharing, I've found Google+ to be better than Facebook. Facebook is too cluttered with apps and crap. Google+ has better filtering, notifications, and pretty much everything.
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Google+ has better filtering, notifications, and pretty much everything.
And no people.
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Google+ has better filtering, notifications, and pretty much everything.
And no people.
That is unfortunate, but because of the better/easier filtering and such, it's more useful for following people whom you don't actually know.
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Yeah, the hay-days of 05-06 were indeed awesome. For me though, I ended up going back to school and I've had FT work for the past 5 years. (during the summer of '05 I was unemployed, and I was here posting probably 30-40 times a day). During school I noticed the quality really started to fall, and I was really busy anyway. Also, about 2 years ago I discovered reddit, and that basically monopolized my online forum posting time since...
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Funny how that one post from Lindsey prompted folks to post shit...
She must be hot as fuck! Pics anyone?
Hahahahahaha. No. Not sure why it turned in to a shit storm.
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Its a little like locking yourself in a 2 bedroom apartment with 10 of your friends for a whole year. People are gonna start flipping out on each other after a while.
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I got in after those so called hey-days it seems. Fuck all ya'll.
Actually I think the peak for internet forums in general was about that time, now more people have migrated to the greenest pastures they can find.
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I got in after those so called hey-days it seems. Fuck all ya'll.
Actually I think the peak for internet forums in general was about that time, now more people have migrated to the greenest pastures they can find.
Yeah, social networking sites like Facebook really destroyed a lot of forums.
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I'm just postin because Yossi mentioned me by name.
Did Libman ever crawl back out of his cave anywhere on the Internet?
Funny how that one post from Lindsey prompted folks to post shit...
She must be hot as fuck! Pics anyone?
There may be pictures of her in Christmas lingerie about, somewhere. Perhaps those who know of them should post them again.
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Oh shi- :shock:
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I remember geocities, and AIM, and old AOL chatrooms. Then MySpace, and other shit that came in. I think that the wheel is turning, and social media is on its way out. People don't want to be associated with the same page forever.
But bbs's have been around the internet since day one. They'll be kicking for some time yet.
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I remember geocities, and AIM, and old AOL chatrooms. Then MySpace, and other shit that came in. I think that the wheel is turning, and social media is on its way out. People don't want to be associated with the same page forever.
But bbs's have been around the internet since day one. They'll be kicking for some time yet.
...even since before the internet (as we know it.) I actually ran one, in the 80's.
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So I heard national temperatures have been kind of high lately...
(http://i.imgur.com/LYhJo.gif)
:lol:
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I come around about once a month to see what's happened. Maybe I post, maybe I don't, but I think the FB explanation is the proper one. Why? Because there's hardly been anyone *new* coming here. Most folks I've seen in terms of new faces are on reddit these days. That includes /r/Libertarian, /r/Austrian_Economics, /r/MarketAnarchism, and etc. And we're not the only ones seeing the decline btw. Mises.org's own forums are pretty much dead aside from the occasional progressive troll that comes in to stir the pot. Forums, like news groups and gopher sites, are dead. Ours is an unscaling technology, and it's not sexy anymore even though it had the potential to allow for the greatest distribution of communication power in history. People like sexy, shiny stuff over complex roll-your-own. Get use to it.
Edit: Also Second life has been turning into a dead zone as well. Basically, the dream of a distributed Internet is dead save for those of us working on stuff like Freedombox and a few other pro-user technologies.
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Facebook is a fad, and the way they betray the trust of their users, it's only a matter of time before their membership runs away at full speed. Tip to FTL: stop doing anything solely on facebook. I won't go there for your promotions, and neither will a lot of other people.
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I think the centralisation of the Internet will continue despite the flubs at FB. But...! I think we'll see the backlash fuel the decentralisation further down the road to viability. Especially with folks focusing on constructing private wireless networks (including satellites). The missing piece is funding. If kickstarter is evidence of anything, it's the fact there's still plenty of funds freely available for a quiet evolution from a central Internet.
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I'd agree that some centralization is clearly inevitable. Looking at other industries, consolidation (which I'm taking as the same thing) simply happens. On the other hand, not everyone does all their shopping at WalMart and Target, and I don't think the politics of it has much to do with it. I do think competing networks have a big chance against the internet. I'm way behind on the technology, but the system they discussed on the show about a week ago (that was being used in conjunction with bitcoin wallets) sounded interesting. Besides, people are going to get tired of governments having their hands in THIS 'net.
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I'll tell you what's going on in here toots..
this place is a fucking ghost town now.... it's like the dust bowl of the 19 twenty's,
Only, instead of fleeing famine and drought, pc douche baggery and old-boy-network cronyism has driven people away wholesale.... See, other than pc-ken, if you were part of shawba- the-huts "movie", you were part of the inner circle..... the borg, if you will...one part of the assembly never goes against another part..
so now what you have is just the drive-bys , drovers ,dregs and bums....
it used to be a fun kind of a train wreck party atmosphere..... now all that is left is the wooden cross on the side of the road with the wilted flowers
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I see.
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Oh look. One of the racists is out of his playpen.
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Oh look. One of the racists is out of his playpen.
Nigger lover.
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Well thank Cthulhu. It distracted April from the subject of pictures of me.
So...about the negro lovers...
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That being said, I'll throw you out for saying "That being said".
I'll throw you out for anything that annoys me.
So, fuck off.
I reject your reality and substitute my own. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s#)
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Well, looks like there's more than one. I'm not just a nigger lover. I'm also a nigger fucker. How about them apples? Hope you hate that.
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Mah balls itch more than they probably should.
Could just be the heat.
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Well, looks like there's more than one. I'm not just a nigger lover. I'm also a nigger fucker. How about them apples? Hope you hate that.
Three shemale negresses will be sent to your home to gangbang you.
Or someone with a name similiar to yours, within a hundred miles of your house. They're not picky.
Perhaps they shall seek out curvy women who are known to have once posted cheesecake pictures of themselves in Xmas lingerie on a libertarian message board instead.
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Don't bother with the shemales. Not into that.
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Well, looks like there's more than one. I'm not just a nigger lover. I'm also a nigger fucker. How about them apples? Hope you hate that.
Three shemale negresses will be sent to your home to gangbang you.
Or someone with a name similiar to yours, within a hundred miles of your house. They're not picky.
Perhaps they shall seek out curvy women who are known to have once posted cheesecake pictures of themselves in Xmas lingerie on a libertarian message board instead.
Will someone please post the pics of Lindsey in her Christmas lingerie? I'm feeling titillated now!
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Well, looks like there's more than one. I'm not just a nigger lover. I'm also a nigger fucker. How about them apples? Hope you hate that.
Three shemale negresses will be sent to your home to gangbang you.
Or someone with a name similiar to yours, within a hundred miles of your house. They're not picky.
Perhaps they shall seek out curvy women who are known to have once posted cheesecake pictures of themselves in Xmas lingerie on a libertarian message board instead.
Will someone please post the pics of Lindsey in her Christmas lingerie? I'm feeling titillated now!
I'm sure the fucking things are here somewhere. You dun wanna see 'em anyway, haha.
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I'm sure the fucking things are here somewhere. You dun wanna see 'em anyway, haha.
While I kind of hope I'm wrong, I think they might not be.
I think the forums copped a big clean out a while back.
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Well, looks like there's more than one. I'm not just a nigger lover. I'm also a nigger fucker. How about them apples? Hope you hate that.
Three shemale negresses will be sent to your home to gangbang you.
Or someone with a name similiar to yours, within a hundred miles of your house. They're not picky.
Perhaps they shall seek out curvy women who are known to have once posted cheesecake pictures of themselves in Xmas lingerie on a libertarian message board instead.
Will someone please post the pics of Lindsey in her Christmas lingerie? I'm feeling titillated now!
I'm sure the fucking things are here somewhere. You dun wanna see 'em anyway, haha.
Prolly got purged when Ian decided to "get rid of all the old stuff."
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I think I know where they are, but I have no idea why I feel embarrassed about posting them. I already did it once. Oh well, we shall see.
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Hateful spiteful database purges.
I'd say it drove Libman off the deep end, but that presumes he wasn't already way, way, way off that anyway.
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Pictures of me drove him off the deep end? Or the BBS purge? :lol:
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Pictures of me drove him off the deep end? Or the BBS purge? :lol:
the db purge
I'm pretty sure libman is asexual
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Pictures of me drove him off the deep end? Or the BBS purge? :lol:
the db purge
I'm pretty sure libman is asexual
Well, if one is asexual, pics of a sexual nature could send 'em off the deep end, ha. :wink:
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I'm just postin because Yossi mentioned me by name.
Did Libman ever crawl back out of his cave anywhere on the Internet?
Funny how that one post from Lindsey prompted folks to post shit...
She must be hot as fuck! Pics anyone?
There may be pictures of her in Christmas lingerie about, somewhere. Perhaps those who know of them should post them again.
Please don't mention my name on here.
Level 20 Anklebiter, welcome back.
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Do you want me to edit your name out?
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errrrrrrrrrrrrr
sorry dood >>
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Do you want me to edit your name out?
Nah, I don't care that much.
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I have located the photos in question, however I will only re-post if there is reasonably significant demand for them. They are out of season (ha) and totally ridiculous. But if curiosity exists, fuck it. :lol:
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Put the photos in the AMP part. Have a comment thread in the open section.
I am tired of Mark complaining about the AMP money going down, that might fix that.
Thank You.
Al.
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I havent been posting much lately because I am working hard on getting my Food Cart business up and running. Like many anarcho-capitalists I am sure, I wish to become self employed through entrepreneural persuits. Thus, I have started a funding campaign to purchase a food cart. If any of you would like to see, here is the link:
http://www.indiegogo.com/slurp (http://www.indiegogo.com/slurp)
There is even an option on there for a sponsor to purchase space on the side of the cart for their advertisement.
This is the web site as well, SlurpCart.com.
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Good deal man.
Hope business booms.
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Put the photos in the AMP part. Have a comment thread in the open section.
I am tired of Mark complaining about the AMP money going down, that might fix that.
Thank You.
Al.
Not a bad suggestion. I don't think it would help all that much though. As far a the amp money going down I think a recent thread by Denis explaining his thoughts are probably the thoughts of a lot of others.
As far as the BBS itself, I wish it was as active as it used to be.
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As far as the BBS itself, I wish it was as active as it used to be.
*see above*
a change of command structure would do a great deal toward that end
refresh button....that sort of thing
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As far as the BBS itself, I wish it was as active as it used to be.
*see above*
a change of command structure would do a great deal toward that end
refresh button....that sort of thing
I don't think it's that simple.
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Good job man keep it up......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Best regards,
hen567mcb | high risk merchant account (http://www.nextpay.com/)
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Fred, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I haven't deleted any posts. And there are no cheesecake photos.
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Put the photos in the AMP part. Have a comment thread in the open section.
I am tired of Mark complaining about the AMP money going down, that might fix that.
Thank You.
Al.
Not a bad suggestion. I don't think it would help all that much though. As far a the amp money going down I think a recent thread by Denis explaining his thoughts are probably the thoughts of a lot of others.
I am not certain that is true. For everyone that thinks that Ian's activism is bat-shit insane, there is someone that thinks the opposite. Most Not-For-Profits are down in donations these days, many at a far greater percentage than AMP. I think it is just indicative of the economy right now. Besides, if people don't like Ian's activism but do like mine (getting elected as a State Delegate, completing the 1st 1K, setting up the best recruitment program for the FSP yet, ect) why would they pull their AMPs? That doesn't make sense. It is a 2-person show and we do different stuff. If one dislikes what one host does, one shouldn't punish the other host.
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Nice to hear from you again, Lindsey, btw.
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Put the photos in the AMP part. Have a comment thread in the open section.
I am tired of Mark complaining about the AMP money going down, that might fix that.
Thank You.
Al.
Not a bad suggestion. I don't think it would help all that much though. As far a the amp money going down I think a recent thread by Denis explaining his thoughts are probably the thoughts of a lot of others.
If one dislikes what one host does, one shouldn't punish the other host.
I'm not speaking for myself here, but maybe its the same thing going on that happens with the complaint dept. at a large corporation. They rarely get calls from customers about positive experiences, but get flooded with negative ones all the time.
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... if people don't like Ian's activism but do like mine (getting elected as a State Delegate, completing the 1st 1K, setting up the best recruitment program for the FSP yet, ect) why would they pull their AMPs? That doesn't make sense. It is a 2-person show and we do different stuff. If one dislikes what one host does, one shouldn't punish the other host.
Mark, you're such a statist - practically a community organizer. :wink:
Ian is louder about his activism. He also tends to be involved in things which push buttons, whether for good or bad.
The person working the slow and steady route goes unnoticed. Even though there are probably former AMPers who support what you're doing, there is no way to send AMP money to support you and your activism without also supporting Ian and his.
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...and it's not necessarily the activism...it's the "libertarian macho flash," as Ian obviously knows it from having read Michael Cloud's book. It's going out of his way to make the message as unpalatable as possible, and BROADCASTING it, to boot, that's counterproductive to libertarian persuasion. Those of us who suggest he just lighten it up a bit and think about his choices (like not just supporting borderline activism, but producing a movie on it, and making a big deal about it on air.) There are a lot of fellow travelers who, instead of being persuaded to principled liberty, will decide it's for nut jobs.
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...and it's not necessarily the activism...it's the "libertarian macho flash," as Ian obviously knows it from having read Michael Cloud's book. It's going out of his way to make the message as unpalatable as possible, and BROADCASTING it, to boot, that's counterproductive to libertarian persuasion. Those of us who suggest he just lighten it up a bit and think about his choices (like not just supporting borderline activism, but producing a movie on it, and making a big deal about it on air.) There are a lot of fellow travelers who, instead of being persuaded to principled liberty, will decide it's for nut jobs.
You do know that FTL gets incredible ratings in the markets from which we can get ratings right? Where are these horrified people? I can tell you that they are not in Florence, AL; Indianapolis, IN; Charleston, SC or any other place we have gotten ratings from. I have to disagree that FTL makes the message of liberty unpalatable, or if Ian does, then I counter-balance it successfully.
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...and it's not necessarily the activism...it's the "libertarian macho flash," as Ian obviously knows it from having read Michael Cloud's book. It's going out of his way to make the message as unpalatable as possible, and BROADCASTING it, to boot, that's counterproductive to libertarian persuasion. Those of us who suggest he just lighten it up a bit and think about his choices (like not just supporting borderline activism, but producing a movie on it, and making a big deal about it on air.) There are a lot of fellow travelers who, instead of being persuaded to principled liberty, will decide it's for nut jobs.
You do know that FTL gets incredible ratings in the markets from which we can get ratings right? Where are these horrified people? I can tell you that they are not in Florence, AL; Indianapolis, IN; Charleston, SC or any other place we have gotten ratings from. I have to disagree that FTL makes the message of liberty unpalatable, or if Ian does, then I counter-balance it successfully.
People doing outlandishly idiotic things gets ratings. There's no disputing that. It does not persuade. It discredits the message.
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Everyone here has some good points. I like the discussion here on the forum, and we catch the show occasionally on XM, but I do find the antics of the extreme activist crowd a turn off. I do think Mark balances it well. You will never please anyone, but if what you are doing is working, then keep on keepin' on. 8)
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Thanks every one here discussion is going really better. but i think Laetitia balance is well going. keep it up..
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People behaving outlandishly in real life can make for good radio, too. Some of the best moments of FTL are when absolutely crazy people call in and spout off.
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I guess I should post once in awhile instead of lurking, sorry about that everyone, but I'm from florida and feel out of place here. :(
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Huh? Floridians don't post very often?
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I guess I should post once in awhile instead of lurking, sorry about that everyone, but I'm from florida and feel out of place here. :(
Naw man, post moar. We aren't giant jerks to newcomers.
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I guess I should post once in awhile instead of lurking, sorry about that everyone, but I'm from florida and feel out of place here. :(
Naw man, post moar. We aren't giant jerks to newcomers.
He has been on the BBS for a few years now. He just never posts.
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............. but I'm from florida and feel out of place here. :(
I'm from Illinois and I dont feel out of place here. Maybe I should feel out of place, but I dont and neither should you. I used to post quite a bit, until recently for whatever reason.
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it's the attitudes on here, thats what the hell is going on in here!!!!
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............. but I'm from florida and feel out of place here. :(
I'm from Illinois and I dont feel out of place here. Maybe I should feel out of place, but I dont and neither should you. I used to post quite a bit, until recently for whatever reason.
Maybe you don't feel out of place because you have company :P I think it's funny that Illinois/Chicago has as much representation as it does here given the size of the board and its focus.
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True.
I guess there are probably at least 4 or 5 IL/Chicago people here, right?
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Yeah, there's at least the three of us here.
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Yeah, there's at least the three of us here.
Yep. :D
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Hey awesome. Can the other expat Montanans living in Norway chime in now?
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Hey awesome. Can the other expat Montanans living in Norway chime in now?
GLWT!
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Hey awesome. Can the other expat Montanans living in Norway chime in now?
Dude, I am still not clear. How did that ever happen?
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In my experience, another way of saying "brave" is a person who thinks little of himself and consequences of their actions. There are a lot of "brave" people who end up in prison or stupid situations. When you combine "bravery" with a strong sense of responsibility you end up with a divorced libertarian living in a socialist country he hates to make sure his kids are cared for.
That, and I listen to my dick way more then I really should.