Welcome to the Free Talk Live bulletin board system!
This board is closed to new users and new posts.  Thank you to all our great mods and users over the years.  Details here.
185859 Posts in 9829 Topics by 1371 Members
Latest Member: cjt26
Home Help
+  The Free Talk Live BBS
|-+  Free Talk Live
| |-+  General
| | |-+  What the Hell is going on in here?
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 ... 10   Go Down

Author Topic: What the Hell is going on in here?  (Read 36686 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

hellbilly

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6664
  • Pogue Mahone.
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2012, 08:29:06 PM »

Ah come on Mr. Billy give these brave mods their benefit of the doubt. That Dude trolled before and even though he tried to mend his ways...Once a troll always a troll. We should put Trolls on a trollcrime registry and ban and intimidate and ostracise them forever.

Agreed - crush the resistance to our opinion! Our opinion reflects my feelings and we do not have a better argument so crush them!

-

It isn't right for me to use the generic term "mods". Lindsey, Mike, Dale, blackie & ecolitan (and maybe even others.. who knows how many mods there are here) have never become power mad. So to be clear - I ain't talking about those guys. Anyone who's visited here regularly might know the scoop on who I've had troubles with.

That should state things clearly enough so that I avoid getting trolled for rehashing old shit, being accused of the horrid "collectivism!", etc.

Seeking a drama free, emotionally detached, honest, logical solution to these issues. Have not a care in the world for more drama.
Logged
Give me Liberty or give me Meth!

"We are profoundly dissatisfied with pretty much everything but we canít articulate why, and are unable to offer any viable alternative." - Nathaniel Weiner

John Shaw

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 17244
    • View Profile
    • Think Twice Productions
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2012, 08:33:13 PM »

Have not a care in the world for more drama.

Yet you never fucking shut up about it.

QQ more.
Logged
"btw its not a claim. Its documented fact."

ChristianAnarchist

  • God is a reality - you are a concept...
  • FTL AMPlifier Silver
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2108
  • Question Authority - Beware the cult of government
    • View Profile
    • The Big Bang Theory - In the beginning there was nothing... which exploded...
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2012, 12:26:57 AM »

I don't believe that FB and twitter are the reasons for the decline here.  I have 2 forums I visit on an almost daily basis and there's plenty of heated discussion going on.  Corvetteforums.com and ronpaulforums.com.  I post as "ChristianAnarchist" on both and have plenty of opposition on the corvette forum (not so much on RPforums of course).  Still there are many posts in threads at both of these.  

I can't see how FB is even popular.  There's no real structure or discussion.  Each account is just a string of posts without any real organization.  Try to find something you wrote 5 weeks ago on some page (good luck with that).  Twitter is even more worthless.  Oh, it's great for getting a flash news item out to a group of people, but with the limited tweet size you can't get much of a discussion going.  

I think forums are here to stay and then there's the ability to go anonymous with nothing more than an ip address to identify the poster.  Hell, FB knows more about you than your mother and I'm sure twitter does too.  I try to never give REAL information on those two (and I don't even touch the Google alternative for obvious reasons).

Hell, look at this thread, it's the most active discussion I've seen here for a long time.

Diogenes The Cynic

  • Cynic. Pessimist. Skeptic. Jerk.
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3727
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2012, 01:18:47 AM »

Grow the fuck up
Logged
I am looking for an honest man. -Diogenes The Cynic

Dude, I thought you were a spambot for like a week. You posted like a spambot. You failed the Turing test.

                                -Dennis Goddard

Bill Brasky

  • Emperor of Wisdom
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 553
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2012, 09:50:49 PM »

Yeah, I wrote that.  It was in reference to Dragline, and others (like yourself) who were using every conceivable variation of offensive PROHIBITED bigotry.  I found a solution other than banning, which was vehemently and strenuously argued against.  

Any by the way, it still is in effect.  

So, if you find yourself saying objectionable things (see the link provided about discretion), bear in mind, theres more than one way to skin a cat.  You may find yourself advertising your services as a lot lizard, and might have to review several thousand posts.

The word filter is magic, and I was delighted to find it.  In fact, you're one of the reasons I found it.  So anybody who doesn't like it's potential has you to thank.

I will point out one thing..  While I may have posted an enthusiastic message to a friends FB page...  A more curious act is someone combing through peoples FB pages when they are:   A) not friends with them, and B) engaged in a prolonged argument with that person.  I guess thats why some people lock their pages.  I guess, at their core, some people are just Peeping Toms, taking photos and running up the back-channels, combing through peoples stuff.

Its not a huge leap of logic to assume you went from there to my page, scoped out my kids and stuff (which I have since restricted my settings).  Thats pretty sleazy.  

So, what have we learned?  I attempt to prevent damage and discourage problems, and run through the gamut of escalation - which is widely agreed to be a fair method.  And you rake shit.

Stay classy, home boy.  

Logged

Bill Brasky

  • Emperor of Wisdom
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 553
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2012, 10:12:28 PM »

I don't believe that FB and twitter are the reasons for the decline here.  I have 2 forums I visit on an almost daily basis and there's plenty of heated discussion going on.  Corvetteforums.com and ronpaulforums.com.  I post as "ChristianAnarchist" on both and have plenty of opposition on the corvette forum (not so much on RPforums of course).  Still there are many posts in threads at both of these.  

I can't see how FB is even popular.  There's no real structure or discussion.  Each account is just a string of posts without any real organization.  Try to find something you wrote 5 weeks ago on some page (good luck with that).  Twitter is even more worthless.  Oh, it's great for getting a flash news item out to a group of people, but with the limited tweet size you can't get much of a discussion going.  

I think forums are here to stay and then there's the ability to go anonymous with nothing more than an ip address to identify the poster.  Hell, FB knows more about you than your mother and I'm sure twitter does too.  I try to never give REAL information on those two (and I don't even touch the Google alternative for obvious reasons).

Hell, look at this thread, it's the most active discussion I've seen here for a long time.

It depends on peoples preferences.  Some people don't like forums at all.  Some like their info fast and current.  Personally, I like both methods for a variety of reasons.  I like to follow certain people on Twitter, but hardly post on it.  Its a specific tool with a specific purpose. 

While we're on the topic, theres a whole bunch of websites that have different spins on how they operate.  Blogs like Wordpress and Tumblr, Whosay, Foursquare... 

I wouldn't exactly say forums are entirely dying, but the scene is changing rapidly.  Only a few years ago, MySpace was all the rage, and now it's a joke.  Some people have a preference for vlogging on YouTube or Vimeo, some allow commentary, some close comments.  Some restrict themselves to a few places and post exhaustively, and make a name for themselves - like on Huffington Post.  Some people are quite well known entirely through their comments on news articles.  It all depends on what piques your interest and how you choose to broadcast your opinions.

And age has a lot to do with it..  When everyone is "there", some people think its uncool to be in the mainstream, and search for more hip places to gel with "their own kind". 

Logged

anarchir

  • Extraordinaire
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5103
  • No victim, no crime.
    • View Profile
    • Prepared Security
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2012, 03:21:00 AM »

Wow, this thread made it what, two pages before becoming retarded.
Logged
Good people disobey bad laws.
PreparedSecurity.com - Modern security and preparedness for the 21st century.
 [img width= height= alt=Prepared Security]http://www.prepareddesign.com/uploads/4/4/3/6/4436847/1636340_orig.png[/img]

freeAgent

  • pwn*
  • FTL AMPlifier
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3660
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2012, 01:02:27 PM »

I'm still around and haven't changed my name or avatar since joining :)

Anyway, I check in usually a few times a week but there's hardly anything going on anymore.  I'd say a good 50-75% of the stuff posted here is intra-forum drama that I know very little about and don't care to educate myself on or participate in.  I post sometimes, but almost never start new threads because there are so few people here that it's not worth the time or effort.  I share most of my stuff on G+ now or on Facebook depending on the audience I'm going for.  I'm also busier now, and don't have as much time to write essay-like for forum posts.

How's Chicago been treating you?
Logged

hellbilly

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 6664
  • Pogue Mahone.
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2012, 10:25:33 PM »

...another timeless ramble from the lap of Ol Pap Brasky. ..c'mere shonny lemme tell ye about life..

It's good that you explained yourself. I don't share that need.

There are enough other people providing (or did provide, before leaving or being banned) negative feedback about mod activity here to cause concern. Whether or not you guys accept the criticism is up to you.



Logged
Give me Liberty or give me Meth!

"We are profoundly dissatisfied with pretty much everything but we canít articulate why, and are unable to offer any viable alternative." - Nathaniel Weiner

ChristianAnarchist

  • God is a reality - you are a concept...
  • FTL AMPlifier Silver
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2108
  • Question Authority - Beware the cult of government
    • View Profile
    • The Big Bang Theory - In the beginning there was nothing... which exploded...
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2012, 11:16:15 PM »

...another timeless ramble from the lap of Ol Pap Brasky. ..c'mere shonny lemme tell ye about life..

It's good that you explained yourself. I don't share that need.

There are enough other people providing (or did provide, before leaving or being banned) negative feedback about mod activity here to cause concern. Whether or not you guys accept the criticism is up to you.




I think the beginning of the end was when BonerJoe became moderator.  Giving a troll that kind of power just went straight to his head.  Before that he was just a jerk that could usually be handled by shooting some of his own spam tactics back at him (like I did) but when he had the "power" he did stupid things like DELETING my thread that had been going for YEARS and was a very active area of discussion in itself (one of the most popular threads ever on FTL - sans breasts).  

Once on life-support, it takes a lot of care and work to recover and I don't see any efforts here to revive it, so get used to the death rattle here, it's not going away anytime soon.  

RIP

P.S.  Even the breasts thread hasn't had any new posts in over a month - yes, I do check breasts...   8)
« Last Edit: May 12, 2012, 11:18:29 PM by ChristianAnarchist »
Logged

alaric89

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1842
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2012, 03:11:50 AM »

I would say it was the biggest tough guy contest between Shaw and BJ, but you are probably right. I learned a lot from it though, so I don't mind so much.

As a aside the phenomenon to have this dynamic between two enabling pricks is used in army training. It is not one asshole DI in basic training (like often depicted in war films) it is always two working in concert to intimidate even the toughest recruits into quiet compliance. This works great in a place making army guys, not so great as security at a party where people are supposed to be voluntarily having a good time.

alaric89

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1842
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2012, 03:20:06 AM »

By the way Gene, I don't think you are being very fair. Dale has been working hard updating the various "butts" threads and I update the "santorum" thread at least once a week.

John Shaw

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 17244
    • View Profile
    • Think Twice Productions
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2012, 04:57:54 AM »

Actually what's hilarious is that I can basically drop off the BBS for three months at a time, say next to nothing and fucking crybabies are still screaming to high heaven about how much of a "Tough Guy" I am. We're getting well  into "Obvious troll is obvious" territory here.

For the record, when you ragequit a while back who was it who reached out to you and told you that they'd rather you not leave?

PROTIP - It wasn't Ian.

So if you wanna go on fixating about what an asshole I am go ahead, but as I recall I was bummed to see you wanting to leave and asked you to come back.

I can post the emails if you'd like - Here are the exchanges -

Quote
IAN - Any idea what I should do about this guy?  It appears he's a $20 a month AMPer.  Obviously just cause someone AMPs shouldn't give them free range to troll, but perhaps someone was hasty with him?

If you say cut him loose, I'll cut him loose.

Quote
ME -
Huh.

Alaric has been bitching non stop about the mods, but he hasn't been abusive or particularly trollish and I don't understand why he would have been banned.

He is historically a cool guy but this ongoing bitchfest has got to stop. Basically half of the front page of General is Hellbilly and Alaric complaining constantly for the last couple days.

They have decided that the mods are conspiring to stomp out any dissent from users and have been feeding off of each other.

Maybe I should email him and discuss it? Hellbilly is generally an ass, but Alaric probably hasn't earned a ban. (Yet)

Quote
IAN - ...Feel free to reach out to him.  I'll hold off until my usual AMP day (Sat) before pulling his account.

Thanks,
Ian


Also note what I said about Hellbilly and doubly note that he's never been banned.

So quit fucking busting my balls man.

This is what I see when I watch these bullshit dustups -

1. Specific users calling "the mods" names and accusing them of abuse.
2. Mods eventually get fucking fed up because they don't have to put up with abusive shit forever.
3. Mod tells the user off repeatedly for several months.
4. User calls the mod names and accuses them of abuse.
5. Mod finally removes the user for being a fucking asshole troll.
6. Another user has a fucking hissy fit about mods being abusive and cites the banned troll as evidence.
7. Return to step #1.

This is all about people being bummed that they can't use other people as punching bags around here anymore and trying to twist shit around in their heads so they can feel like the good guy.

So quit bitching, quit busting balls, and quit whining. Please.

Or don't and eventually sink to the point of repeated name calling and other abusive behavior and eventually after months of it get yourself banned for violating the TOS.

I barely post anymore. I just quietly do mods stuff. The idea that I'm running around jumping up into people's grill and bullying them enough to be worthy of dropping my name is genuinely fucking stupid unless the only point is to get me to respond, in which case you're just fuckin' trolling anyhow and that is ultimately self correcting.

In before you accuse me of threatening to ban anyone.

Highs odds that it was a fucking waste of my time to write all this but I gave it a shot anyhow just for the sake of trying to be somewhat civil. (Maybe if you could hear the tone of voice in my head you'd understand that this entire post is fairly lighthearted from my end. It's really not any sort of angry scrawl. It's just the John Shaw way of saying "Can't we just drop this shit once and for all?"

I won't be posting again in this thread so have the last word.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2012, 05:27:02 AM by John Shaw »
Logged
"btw its not a claim. Its documented fact."

alaric89

  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1842
    • View Profile
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2012, 07:18:35 AM »

I don't want to go there either. I stand by what I said before. I don't like what some people do. I know there is nothing I can do about it. When I have locked horns with you, it had the motivation of trying to get legit traffic back up. It was never anything personnel.

John Shaw

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 17244
    • View Profile
    • Think Twice Productions
Re: What the Hell is going on in here?
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2012, 01:01:09 PM »

I don't want to go there either. I stand by what I said before. I don't like what some people do. I know there is nothing I can do about it. When I have locked horns with you, it had the motivation of trying to get legit traffic back up. It was never anything personnel.

Yeah, that'll never work again.

That sort of fucking bullshit almost cost me an eye.
Logged
"btw its not a claim. Its documented fact."
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 ... 10   Go Up
+  The Free Talk Live BBS
|-+  Free Talk Live
| |-+  General
| | |-+  What the Hell is going on in here?

// ]]>

Page created in 0.022 seconds with 32 queries.