What is your favorite free porn site?

[QueenOfPhoneMean]

Do you know why property rights exist?

Rights cannot be granted, they just ARE.

I'm not sure I am following your questioning here. Why would you get to decide what is best for me? I create a product, and sell that product. I set the prices and the buyers make the choice to buy at my price. Why would someone have the right to agressively force themselves into my website and take what they want? Er... doesnt this fall under minding your own business and keeping your hands to yourself? 

[mbd]

Woo, sneet. So you work for IBM?

-- Bridget

yup

[FTL_Ian]

In regards to porn via bittorrent and newsgroups:

The last time I joined a site, I discovered the content because someone posted it to a newsgroup.  If I hadn't been able to download the site for free, I'd never have joined it.

Should I be prosecuted?

[QueenOfPhoneMean]

In regards to porn via bittorrent and newsgroups:

The last time I joined a site, I discovered the content because someone posted it to a newsgroup.  If I hadn't been able to download the site for free, I'd never have joined it.

Should I be prosecuted?

Oh, people join sites all the time because of free content. Free content is the big hook to get you into sites to join them  . Sometimes site owners release the content into the wild like that, but you would never know if that was the case or not.   

For me, it's not about whether you should be prosecuted for downloading anything, but rather that the artist/pornographer/scientist/writer decides what is best for his property. In that way, rather than some fundamentalist asshole deciding that certain kinds of work are "less valuable to society" than other types of work, the decisions about the value and ownership belong to the property owner. I really do not want other people or the government forcing me to labor for free. Eh.. whether or not you accept IP, there is the component of labor involved in creating it. Don't libertarians think that labor is a contract agreed upon by two or more parties? If there is a disagreement, there won't be any labor. I set the price for my labor, and the terms. If people do not want to enter into contract with me, then they do not get the fruits of my labor, my creations.

It's unnessesary to have any laws telling us "how long" or "what the terms are" for IP. If we simply left the decisions up to the property owner and the free market (and the free market tends to favor that which is "free" ) there would be a lot more in the public domain than there is now.

In the case of porn, there's so much more to it that just "IP." You have all kind of ridiculous regulations devised by the fundamentalists, and if you are doing any extreme explicit content, you better have an OJ dream team. Licenses, software, and the fraud against adult business is outrageous. Just try to get your own merchant account if you are running an adult site, it's nearly impossible. Why? Because of the huge amount of fraud perpetrated against adult sites in the form of chargebacks. Joe Horndog decides that he wants to whack it, joins your site and then after he's had his satisfaction, simply charges back the bill once he receives it. Happens ALL the time and aside from collection efforts, which are sometimes effective, but usually he gets away with his fraud without any responsibility whatsoever.
This is the reality of adult biz. Maybe if people were made to answer for the real crimes like fraud and force rather than whether or not they have a typo on thier 2257 paperwork (which can land you in jail for 10 years) you'd have a lot more pornographers willing to release a lot more stuff for free. 

[spicynujac]

Yes, she was a Raptors cheerleader/dancer.
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=77308

She looks much better on her website without the red hair.  But damn, why would you pay for softcore porn?
By the way, why is that link on eatshirt.com?  Is there a shirt with her on it ?
Nice tits tho!!!

[TN_FSP]

She looks much better on her website without the red hair.  But damn, why would you pay for softcore porn?
By the way, why is that link on eatshirt.com?  Is there a shirt with her on it ?
Nice tits tho!!!

No way dude!  The red hair makes her look cool.

[rabidfurby]

Do you know why property rights exist?

Rights cannot be granted, they just ARE.

I'm not sure I am following your questioning here. Why would you get to decide what is best for me? I create a product, and sell that product. I set the prices and the buyers make the choice to buy at my price.

Property rights exist because property is scarce. If you have an apple and I take it away from you, the reason that is theft is because I have deprived you of the apple, which was your property. "Intellectual Property" is not property because it is not scarce. In other words, if Bob, a paying customer to your website, downloads a movie of you, then copies that movie to my computer, the value of the copy of the movie on your server has not been diluted in any way. If I bought a huge hard drive and filled it with millions of copies of that single movie, the value of the copy you have would still not be diluted.

Why would someone have the right to agressively force themselves into my website and take what they want? Er... doesnt this fall under minding your own business and keeping your hands to yourself? 

Again, imagine the situation described above: paying customer to your website downloads something and copies it to my computer. Did we "aggressively force ourselves" onto your website? Break out the mortars, we're gonna go shell a colo!

[QueenOfPhoneMean]

Do you know why property rights exist?

Rights cannot be granted, they just ARE.

I'm not sure I am following your questioning here. Why would you get to decide what is best for me? I create a product, and sell that product. I set the prices and the buyers make the choice to buy at my price.

Property rights exist because property is scarce. If you have an apple and I take it away from you, the reason that is theft is because I have deprived you of the apple, which was your property. "Intellectual Property" is not property because it is not scarce. In other words, if Bob, a paying customer to your website, downloads a movie of you, then copies that movie to my computer, the value of the copy of the movie on your server has not been diluted in any way. If I bought a huge hard drive and filled it with millions of copies of that single movie, the value of the copy you have would still not be diluted.

Why would someone have the right to agressively force themselves into my website and take what they want? Er... doesnt this fall under minding your own business and keeping your hands to yourself? 

Again, imagine the situation described above: paying customer to your website downloads something and copies it to my computer. Did we "aggressively force ourselves" onto your website? Break out the mortars, we're gonna go shell a colo!

Scarcity, value, etc are subjective measures, and within 100 years this won't apply to tangible property at all with the use of nanotechnology.

I don't care what the "scarcity" quantifier is. I don't care what someone else thinks the "societal value" is.

What I care about is the individual. I care about the individual to be able to maintain their rights to set the terms and price of their labor in the free market. When you enter my sites, you agree to my terms. If you pay for something on my sites, you agree to my terms, OR, you simply do not do business with me. It's really THAT simple!    You are not allowed to take my content and do whatever you want with it outside of the way we think about fair use in a non commercial situation. You are not allowed to duplicate or distribute my content or profit from it in any way. These are my terms. Don't like it? Do business with someone else.

Really what this boils down to is that some people want to deny others the right to set their terms for their labor. I find plenty of buyers who agree to my terms. They do not buy and own my property outright when they do a transaction on my website. They are paying for the personal use of my content. Again.. these are my terms, if you don't like it, don't buy! If you think I'm making things "artifically scarce" then, please, don't buy from me! Please take your business elsewhere!

[QueenOfPhoneMean]

Yes, she was a Raptors cheerleader/dancer.
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=77308

She looks much better on her website without the red hair.  But damn, why would you pay for softcore porn?
By the way, why is that link on eatshirt.com?  Is there a shirt with her on it ?
Nice tits tho!!!

Oh, softcore porn is BIG business. In many cases it sells a lot better than the hardcore stuff. Especially fetishes.

I make a nice chunk of change off of softcore and fetishes.   

[MobileDigit]

We aren't saying that you shouldn't be able to sue for contact breach, just not for 'theft' of Intellectual 'Property'.

[a_nonymous]

http://libertyporno.com

[jtbreeze]

In regards to porn via bittorrent and newsgroups:

The last time I joined a site, I discovered the content because someone posted it to a newsgroup.  If I hadn't been able to download the site for free, I'd never have joined it.

Should I be prosecuted?

yes.

[jtbreeze]

Do you know why property rights exist?

Rights cannot be granted, they just ARE.

I'm not sure I am following your questioning here. Why would you get to decide what is best for me? I create a product, and sell that product. I set the prices and the buyers make the choice to buy at my price.

Property rights exist because property is scarce. If you have an apple and I take it away from you, the reason that is theft is because I have deprived you of the apple, which was your property. "Intellectual Property" is not property because it is not scarce. In other words, if Bob, a paying customer to your website, downloads a movie of you, then copies that movie to my computer, the value of the copy of the movie on your server has not been diluted in any way. If I bought a huge hard drive and filled it with millions of copies of that single movie, the value of the copy you have would still not be diluted.

Why would someone have the right to agressively force themselves into my website and take what they want? Er... doesnt this fall under minding your own business and keeping your hands to yourself? 

Again, imagine the situation described above: paying customer to your website downloads something and copies it to my computer. Did we "aggressively force ourselves" onto your website? Break out the mortars, we're gonna go shell a colo!

Apples aren't scarce. Apples have value because of the work that people put into growing, maintaining, and harvesting them. SOCIETY has deemed "work" has value. The problem with your analogy is that you are not supporting the work that went into making the product. The product is not the platter on which music/video are stored, the product is the work that went into it.

[Russ84]

Every time Mr. T pities the fool, a pornstar regains her virginity. Then proceeds to lose it to Mr. T.

[TerryGale]

As a Howard Stern fan, I go to SternFanNetwork to have questions answered.  They have an adult section, but require new members to finish a 30 day probationary period first.  I'm not a big porn fan actually.  Occasionally, I Google a term thrown out on Howard's show.  But I understand other's desire to view.