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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2010, 04:33:25 PM »

Right now people are idiots. They need a central authority. It is wrong on the practical and moral level. Stop trying to spread it and just live and let live. Maybe some day they will kind enough to follow the example. Don't get your hopes up because they are idiots.

Why do people need a central authority?
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2010, 04:37:54 PM »

Liberty, both civil and economic, instigates progress. Examples are all over the map and history.  Statism stifles progress. Plenty of proof for that too.
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2010, 06:17:20 PM »

Right now people are idiots. They need a central authority. It is wrong on the practical and moral level. Stop trying to spread it and just live and let live. Maybe some day they will kind enough to follow the example. Don't get your hopes up because they are idiots.

Why do people need a central authority?

I think belief in government is very much like religion.

There are those who believe in God in some form and follow the dictates of their particular doctrine, just like there are those who think government is a mysterious and benevolent force we couldn't live without.

Of course, if we're wrong about god, it'll be a while before we find out, and there is little harm to our lives while we still breathe. Not much for the "misguided" atheist to do about it.

Government makes its presence known in our lives many ways, on a daily basis, which makes it easy to reason that less of it would be beneficial.
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2010, 06:41:28 PM »

Thanks for the replies. I personally believe that most people can not only handle freedom, but most will excel in that environment.   
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2010, 11:37:34 PM »

So are the Staties patrolling the streets like a typical cop might?  In CA it's very common to see Sheriffs and many cities contract the County Sheriff for their city police department, but you'd never see a State cop patrolling the city streets.  Hell last night I must have counted 8 SDPD cars and 3 Sheriff cars on the same road (I live a couple blocks from the University).

I don't think I'd be very happy if I had to deal with CHP patrolling those streets as well.

In Florida they did.  Well, Florida Highway Patrol - state troopers kind of thing.  They were quite frequently seen pulling people over in cities and smaller towns. 
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2010, 12:01:45 AM »

So are the Staties patrolling the streets like a typical cop might?  In CA it's very common to see Sheriffs and many cities contract the County Sheriff for their city police department, but you'd never see a State cop patrolling the city streets.  Hell last night I must have counted 8 SDPD cars and 3 Sheriff cars on the same road (I live a couple blocks from the University).

I don't think I'd be very happy if I had to deal with CHP patrolling those streets as well.

In some places, yes.  On state highways in rural areas, where theres some civilization interspersed.  Like a hospital campus here, then up ahead theres a college campus, a diner, and a shopping plaza with a Subway in it.  They'll be on the prowl there, if theres no real local cops to speak of.  They usually just roll through to show the colors, stop for a piss and a Coke.  Then they'll sit for a while in the middle of a parking lot, and roll out after some people have taken notice. 

They only patrol where theres no local cops.  Some local police departments have closed around here, and the staties take over.  Right up the road from me, theres a little town carved out of the woods, and they have cops.  But if you live outside the town limits its the staties who'll show up if you call in a domestic -even if you're only ten minutes outside of town- wherever that town line ends, the local cops end.  And if they show up, someone's gonna end up wearing bracelets.  You can't usually white-wash them and say everythings fine now, they come from way out of their way to answer domestics. 

State cops are usually much more professional, but a lot more serious when they get called.  A lot of shit they don't care about, its a waste of their time to hassle a couple kids who look like stoners, they know they'll shake a roach out of them.  They don't care.  State cops make the arrests all cops should make, and ignore the shit all cops should ignore. 

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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2010, 12:21:52 AM »

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Where do you go.  Please don't say New Hampshire.

New Hampshire is too damn cold for me. I've thought seriously for sometime about taking back Cuba. Transforming it to its former glory - Casinos, tourism, CIGARS! Its warm, balmy and in the Carribean. We'd have to set up a new republic, most of the current citizens speak english. I'd have no taxes levied on anything. The casinos and tourism would have to be state ran and the profits would be used to run the government and reinvested back into tourism. Much logistics would have to be worked out, but I believe it could be done. Thoughts?
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2010, 09:16:34 AM »

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Where do you go.  Please don't say New Hampshire.

New Hampshire is too damn cold for me. I've thought seriously for sometime about taking back Cuba. Transforming it to its former glory - Casinos, tourism, CIGARS! Its warm, balmy and in the Carribean. We'd have to set up a new republic, most of the current citizens speak english. I'd have no taxes levied on anything. The casinos and tourism would have to be state ran and the profits would be used to run the government and reinvested back into tourism. Much logistics would have to be worked out, but I believe it could be done. Thoughts?
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2010, 10:50:55 AM »

Right now people are idiots. They need a central authority. It is wrong on the practical and moral level. Stop trying to spread it and just live and let live. Maybe some day they will kind enough to follow the example. Don't get your hopes up because they are idiots.

Why do people need a central authority?

The central authority has domesticated them. To push liberty on them is like dropping off your de-clawed and neutered cat in the woods.
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2010, 11:34:24 AM »

Right now people are idiots. They need a central authority. It is wrong on the practical and moral level. Stop trying to spread it and just live and let live. Maybe some day they will kind enough to follow the example. Don't get your hopes up because they are idiots.

Why do people need a central authority?

The central authority has domesticated them. To push liberty on them is like dropping off your de-clawed and neutered cat in the woods.

of course, that's what the state wants you to think, isn't it?

What is it exactly that you are afraid of?  Do markets respond better when regulations and taxes are removed?
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2010, 11:52:47 AM »

Right now people are idiots. They need a central authority. It is wrong on the practical and moral level. Stop trying to spread it and just live and let live. Maybe some day they will kind enough to follow the example. Don't get your hopes up because they are idiots.

Why do people need a central authority?

The central authority has domesticated them. To push liberty on them is like dropping off your de-clawed and neutered cat in the woods.

of course, that's what the state wants you to think, isn't it?

What is it exactly that you are afraid of?  Do markets respond better when regulations and taxes are removed?

There weren't any regulations in place during the Gilded Age, and factories were hellholes.

Also, this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_beef_scandal
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2010, 11:55:49 AM »

The industrial-technological system requires centralization.
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2010, 11:56:47 AM »

The industrial-technological system requires centralization.

Actually, this is true. Most of us don't live on self-sufficient farms and we're not likely to anytime soon.
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2010, 12:07:31 PM »

What if people really do need to be centrally managed and controlled? What if all human kind is not ready for true liberty? What if I'm wrong about the philosophy of libertarianism or voluntaryism? If I were wrong on a practical level but not a moral one, would I still promote liberty? Would you?

Liberty means you can choose to be centrally managed and controlled.  However, you cannot force me to be centrally managed or controlled.  Liberty is never wrong.
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I'd run the "Boss-You-Around-And-Kick-You-In-The-Junk" Voluntary Government, inc. Come live on my land, pay me 10% of your income and I will fulfill my part of the bargain (see company name). If you don't like that there's 3 or 4 other governments on my block, including Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong.
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Re: What if we are wrong?
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2010, 12:53:02 PM »

The industrial-technological system requires centralization.

not exactly.  It may induce voluntary agreements, however, it does not require coerced centralization


Actually, this is true. Most of us don't live on self-sufficient farms and we're not likely to anytime soon.
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