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Richard Garner

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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2009, 10:22:35 AM »

I believe this is a danger to the state so therefore the reason it is not allowed.



The welfare state would collapse and everybody would get richer?
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2009, 11:23:26 AM »

Think what would happen if you werent allowed to go across your state's boundaries without permission.  Open borders between the 50 states is one of the reasons we have had such a strong economy.

That cannot be said loudly and often enough. The explosive economic growth and evolution within the United States during the 19th century was a deliberate result of the "free trade zone" created by the complete abrogation of the power to regulate the movement of goods, services and PEOPLE by the states.

Almost as if the people who argued for the Interstate Commerce Clause had read Adam Smith.

The final abolition of free immigration only came in the 20th Century, after the Progressive revolution and the creation of the Socialist States of America. Socialist states try to regulate immigration and even movement of their populations in-country. And their economies stagnate.

Anyone can read the Federalist Papers, and the Anti-Federalist Papers, to see the arguments involved.

Here's a good place to start, the first Anti-Federalist paper, Brutus#1:

http://www.constitution.org/afp/brutus01.htm

Amazing, isn't it, how the abuse of the wording of the Interstate Commerce Clause that we all know so well was predicted right from the start. Hamilton and crowd came back defending it by predicting exactly the benefits we did see.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2009, 08:02:32 AM »

Well for one thing, you would see a lot more affect on middle class and higher jobs. The immigrants would be able to get licenses and education that the lack of today keeps them in wage labor jobs. Doctors, Lawyers, and engineers would move here. If it suddenly happened there would be a few years of low-wages and high population growth. Crime would increase a bit. The economy would grow, because the combined demand of the immigrants and natives would increase prices and job growth would increase.

The immigrants would ghettoize into specific areas. Cities would have quarters for immigrants connected by former nationality. 2 generations later those places will be filled with good restaurants and mixed bilingual couples.

This is of course without gov't manipulation. If gov't was in the mix.

Politicians would take sides on the issue. Proponents would cater heavily to the immigrant vote. Opponents would whip up a frenzy about how the immigrants are fools that are ruining the democratic process.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2009, 09:15:56 AM »

Well for one thing, you would see a lot more affect on middle class and higher jobs. The immigrants would be able to get licenses and education that the lack of today keeps them in wage labor jobs. Doctors, Lawyers, and engineers would move here. If it suddenly happened there would be a few years of low-wages and high population growth. Crime would increase a bit. The economy would grow, because the combined demand of the immigrants and natives would increase prices and job growth would increase.

The immigrants would ghettoize into specific areas. Cities would have quarters for immigrants connected by former nationality. 2 generations later those places will be filled with good restaurants and mixed bilingual couples.

This is of course without gov't manipulation. If gov't was in the mix.

Politicians would take sides on the issue. Proponents would cater heavily to the immigrant vote. Opponents would whip up a frenzy about how the immigrants are fools that are ruining the democratic process.

Allowing immigrants to vote would only corrupt them with power and they would become just like us, but probably worse.

OTOH, two parallel systems of subjects of the state(citizens) versus aliens, who must be responsible for themselves, without the suffocating materialism of the nanny state, will show the disadvantages of participation in the "protective" cocoon of the state in comparison to aliens who will form their own free market based health, education and welfare organisations to serve their communities.

People would begin to quit the state and renounce their citizenship in favor of the greater degree of voluntary governance that, as aliens, they would enjoy in their lives.
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