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I believe this is a danger to the state so therefore the reason it is not allowed.

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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 09:28:56 AM »

Nothing else changes?

It would be pretty shit.

In the context of a free society, it might work out.

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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 11:54:34 AM »

open ended immigration? THey'd probably just go on and on and on about immigration, doing it, etc.

I really hate open ended things...
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 04:23:33 PM »

If the minimum wage was repealed, a lower cost of living as more people would compete more directly for wages, goods, and services.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 04:26:21 PM »

I think Mexican Coke would be cheaper.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2009, 04:27:16 PM »

I think Mexican Coke would be cheaper.

Only after we've repealed the sugar cane quota. Then it will be Mexican Coke paradise.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2009, 04:29:00 PM »

More taco trucks and cheaper landscaping options
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2009, 04:31:53 PM »

More taco trucks and cheaper landscaping options

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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2009, 04:34:50 PM »

More taco trucks and cheaper landscaping options

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And nicer car stereos.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2009, 04:37:21 PM »

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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 03:15:23 AM »

Think what would happen if you werent allowed to go across your state's boundaries without permission.  Open borders between the 50 states is one of the reasons we have had such a strong economy.  Only with the European Union is another area starting to allow economic freedom of trade (to a degree-they still have VAT taxes and we still regulate and tax interstate trade). 
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 05:48:32 AM »

I believe this is a danger to the state so therefore the reason it is not allowed.



With the provisos that aliens could not participate in any of the state's health, education or welfare schemes or apply for citizenship, an absolute right for all people to live, work and travel where they choose would bring only the best sort of liberty/opportunity seeking individuals to live among us.

They would have no choice but to create their own voluntary enterprises, dedicated to providing health, education and welfare to their communities, in the form of for profit and non-profit agencies, the cost of which, would, I hope, be 100% tax (not income) deductible. Better yet, they should be exempt from taxes on any programs from which they are excluded.

In time, they would be so much more prosperous than citizens that many would gladly give up their citizenship to join the ranks of aliens that enjoy the benefit of a large degree of voluntary government of their lives.

And so the state would shrink and, I hope, eventually die via privatization, because of the enlightening example of the immigrants' self reliance.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 09:37:10 AM »

Its a confusion to identify open immigration with an increase in immigration. Immigrants already come in thousands and millions illegally.

As to why the state is against immigration, its not because its a "threat". The government would love to have more tax payers. Its simply a tedious facet of modern democracy, coupled with centuries of patriotic propaganda. Governments won't allow free immigration because they want to stay in power, and not be replaced by the opposition who would rely on scare mongering to pick up votes.

The same way the government could actually make more money off legalizing drugs, if they weren't stuck down the path whereby no politician can admit legalizing drugs is the moral and intelligent thing to do, without being voted out of office next term.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 06:32:45 PM »

Its a confusion to identify open immigration with an increase in immigration. Immigrants already come in thousands and millions illegally.

As to why the state is against immigration, its not because its a "threat". The government would love to have more tax payers. Its simply a tedious facet of modern democracy, coupled with centuries of patriotic propaganda. Governments won't allow free immigration because they want to stay in power, and not be replaced by the opposition who would rely on scare mongering to pick up votes.

The same way the government could actually make more money off legalizing drugs, if they weren't stuck down the path whereby no politician can admit legalizing drugs is the moral and intelligent thing to do, without being voted out of office next term.

That's the state responding to market demand; the market demand for tyranny. People do not necessarily get the government that they as individuals want or deserve; they get the government that the market demands.

The only way to change market demand is by education. That may come through books and articles or by setting a successful example for people to follow. The second method is why unlimited immigration that's kept from participation in public health, education and welfare programs, could be the quick path to a stateless society.

The trick will be selling the idea. To do so will require putting the emphasis on cutting off aliens' ability to become parasites of the state or taking over the country by becoming citizens and how much more practical it is to do this than trying to enforce border restrictions.
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Re: What do you think would happen if there was open ended immigration?
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2009, 08:26:02 AM »

I would love to come if this was the case.I currently do a roaring trade at the local flea markets selling shopping bags because the market is demanding enviro bags which cost a dollar each at the supermarket so I source them from china and undercut the local supermarket by a few cents a bag.Word soon gets around....and it helps me earn some pocket money.....dont you love people's fear of climate change al gore is propagating for me?lol

The enterprising few would certainly not mind travelling to a country without a social security blanket .It is worth pursuing as an idea one day.....

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