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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: The Buddy on September 08, 2011, 09:29:26 AM
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What Could Ron Paul Actually Do as President? Could he end the fed, bring home the troops, end the war on drugs, greatly reduce wellfare, etc.. Could he actually make some big changes or will it be a big stalemate?
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It would be a terrible thing for libertarianism if Paul actually managed to land the presidency. There really isn't much he could do from a practical point, and whoever gets the job is going to take the blame when the economy really starts to fall apart in a year or so.
In fact, I doubt either of the main parties is all that eager to take the office next time around, other than perhaps to loot as much as they can while the getting is good.
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In fact, I doubt either of the main parties is all that eager to take the office next time around, other than perhaps to loot as much as they can while the getting is good.
Maybe they're just planning to use it as a stepping stone toward King of the World.
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He would be in a position to talk to the entire country.
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http://www.gif.tv/#/giftv-152-teensighsighhand
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He could pardon Bradley Manning.
He could pardon Bernard Von Nauthouse effectively legalizing alternative currency and then he wouldn't have to mess with the FED at all.
He could stop the drug war by simply stopping all federal enforcement.
He could simply open things so that even the truly sheepish people can see what scum their Representatives are.
He could, just-for-fun, concentrate the FBI on corruption in the public sector to give the enforcers something to do.
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Veto the patriot act.
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He would take the blame for everything bad on the planet thats gonna happen in the next couple of years. The Libertarians would be blamed for it all.
"SEE!?!?!? WE GAVE YOU LIBERTARI-TARDS A CHANCE AND YOU FUCKED IT ALL UP!!!"
I hope to hell he doesn't get elected prez. Doesn't matter really, just saying.
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Danno. I sort of agree with quickmike. The truth is, with the only other option being to build floating societies I say why not role the dice.
I remember things looked pretty bleak in the late seventies and Reagan brought back the optimism and things got pretty good.
Or maybe everyone just got high.
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRdaLWQ1ldc[/youtube]
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Gotta admit the concern that he "can't win" is a bit of a comfort right now. The thing that bugs me is if the people capable of rigging things decide to rig it in his favor to blame the inevitable collapse on him. They already blame "deregulation" for the economy, etc. He'd be the convenient whipping boy. If I were the social conservative type (and they probably don't control much) or the lefty type (who knows?) I'd be looking forward to this sort of thing happening, and being able to blame the people I really hate. If you're socially conservative, it's "the liberals" and if you're leftist, it's "the conservatives." Either way, your world gives you a break from reality as you blame the guy who just stepped aboard when the ship sank.
Interestingly enough, I remember similar sentiment (whoever wins gets the shaft) in the election of 1980, and look how differently that turned out. Yet, I'm pretty sure the situation is much worse than Jimmy Peanuts left it (and he actually did some good things--especially compared to how he is looked at historically.)
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I actually believe he could do good and greatly increase freedom in this country. After a year or two of "austerity" riots, I believe most people would settle down and be satisfied with the changes. I still think that future generations would face the growing government problem all over again. All of this is assuming he might actually win, which is a pretty bleak outlook.
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oh.....
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He could do exactly what he says he would do.
He'd make a big noise about shit no matter what - and, the prez gets press..
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I dont know guys. You make some pretty good points, so im kinda torn here.
On one hand, the "general" public is......... well, pretty fuckin' dumb and would look at 4 years of a RP presidency as a failure because of all the heinous shit coming this way economically, which would undoubtedly push them in the opposite direction next time around and just vote for some Hitler-like guy to counter what they experienced in the 4 previous years.
On the other hand, I realize a president can only do so much, which is a comfort to me in all honesty. I suppose it would be fun to see how much govt he could roll back. I like the guy, but I also realize that putting your hopes in ANY government creature, even Ron Paul, can be a dangerous thing when you get right down to it.
So I dont know. Its all just a science expriment gone all wrong, but sometimes the results make for some good entertainment. Its a train wreck. Im just a rubber-necker driving by.
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Isn't he pretty likely to do what he does now?
Say "NO!"
His "No" would just have a lot more clout. Congress could still pass laws and cause trouble, but the time they'd spend overriding each and every veto means less time for coming up with new ones.
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Well, one thing for certain he COULD do is to make it where we stop bombing brown people across the planet. That could be a significant thing, assuming he becomes POTUS. He could also undo alot of Executive Orders that W. and OBOMBA have crammed down our throats.
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Isn't he pretty likely to do what he does now?
Say "NO!"
His "No" would just have a lot more clout. Congress could still pass laws and cause trouble, but the time they'd spend overriding each and every veto means less time for coming up with new ones.
Dontcha think we're past the point where that matters anymore? I mean, unless they actually CUT about 90% of the already existing spending, isnt it a little late to worry about just stopping new stuff?
Not disagreeing with what youre saying, I just think were beyond that point in the game.
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Isn't he pretty likely to do what he does now?
Say "NO!"
His "No" would just have a lot more clout. Congress could still pass laws and cause trouble, but the time they'd spend overriding each and every veto means less time for coming up with new ones.
Dontcha think we're past the point where that matters anymore? I mean, unless they actually CUT about 90% of the already existing spending, isnt it a little late to worry about just stopping new stuff?
Not disagreeing with what youre saying, I just think were beyond that point in the game.
He'd start cutting programs and departments as well. But it still would look a lot like a tennis match, with everything bouncing back and forth between the two branches of gubment.
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On the other hand, I realize a president can only do so much, which is a comfort to me in all honesty. I suppose it would be fun to see how much govt he could roll back. I like the guy, but I also realize that putting your hopes in ANY government creature, even Ron Paul, can be a dangerous thing when you get right down to it.
Yeah, that's why I stopped voting for politicians (I still vote down most initiatives or referenda, when I bother going to the polls.)
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My prediction:
The candidate that conforms the most with liberty minded thinking and gets the most attention for being that... whoever he or she is, will get between zero and one-point-two percent of the national popular vote.
Just like they always do.
If I am wrong, call me out on it two weeks after the election (After the numbers have settled down) and I will make a video on Youtube of me licking a cake that has been made into the shape of a dog's asshole.
The cake will be of a flavor I do not like.
MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. That is all.
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...and I will make a video on Youtube of me licking a cake that has been made into the shape of a dog's asshole.
Will YouTube allow that? I mean... cake. It has an awful lot of carbs.
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My prediction:
The candidate that conforms the most with liberty minded thinking and gets the most attention for being that... whoever he or she is, will get between zero and one-point-two percent of the national popular vote.
Just like they always do.
If I am wrong, call me out on it two weeks after the election (After the numbers have settled down) and I will make a video on Youtube of me licking a cake that has been made into the shape of a dog's asshole.
The cake will be of a flavor I do not like.
MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. That is all.
words marked. He's polling (for whatever that's worth) equal to or better than any other candidate in any poll outside of republican primary polls. Still don't think it means any more than another round of bukkake for us though...
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This is like saying "What could I do if I won the lottery?"
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This is like saying "What could I do if I won the lottery?"
Holy crap! That's EXACTLY what I was comparing it to in my head.
Like, it's fine to fantasize about what you would do with the money if you won the lottery. Most everyone does it. And yes, it's POSSIBLE you will win, but srsly... don't get your hopes up. Don't like... start making plans about how you're going to solve all your financial problems by winning the lottery. That's rontarded. I mean retarded.
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Don't like... start making plans about how you're going to solve all your financial problems by winning the lottery.
Unfortunately, this seems to be my mother's retirement plan.
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Don't like... start making plans about how you're going to solve all your financial problems by winning the lottery.
Unfortunately, this seems to be my mother's retirement plan.
You mean Social Security? Yeah, unfortunately that's a lot of people's retirement plan.
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Don't like... start making plans about how you're going to solve all your financial problems by winning the lottery.
Unfortunately, this seems to be my mother's retirement plan.
You mean Social Security? Yeah, unfortunately that's a lot of people's retirement plan.
:|
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This is like saying "What could I do if I won the lottery?"
Yep.
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/10/08/20111008ron-paul-values-voters-straw-poll.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/10/08/20111008ron-paul-values-voters-straw-poll.html)
Go Ron Paul, incrementally would be a better road to liberty anyway.