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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2006, 08:16:41 PM »

Well, I suppose it gets some media attention. Passive resistance can certainly bring about big changes, but only if enough people participate.

I'd suggest that a large number of libertarians sign up to do a mass protest (such as refusing to follow some government edict.) If one--or ten, or a hundred--people refuse to file a tax return, they just get arrested. But, if 100,000 people do the same thing, then it is too large a number for the authorities to do much about.

Sort of like the FSP pledge, but with other actions, such as refusing to pay taxes, or resisting other dictates.
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2006, 10:47:25 PM »

Might be smarter to pull that stunt first with a law that people generally hate...like 1000 people violating some stupid municipal law.
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2006, 02:30:29 AM »

Pissing in the wind is just fine, so long as you're facing the right direction.

Why don't you come on over to nhfree.com and see what else we're doing? :)
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2006, 03:10:47 AM »

LOL, I've been following this for the past 4 years. NHFree is just the same 20 people talking over and over about how they're trying to be like Ghandi.
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2006, 08:18:59 AM »

Well, I suppose it gets some media attention. Passive resistance can certainly bring about big changes, but only if enough people participate.

I'd suggest that a large number of libertarians sign up to do a mass protest (such as refusing to follow some government edict.) If one--or ten, or a hundred--people refuse to file a tax return, they just get arrested. But, if 100,000 people do the same thing, then it is too large a number for the authorities to do much about.

Sort of like the FSP pledge, but with other actions, such as refusing to pay taxes, or resisting other dictates.
The ones who sign it first could be arrested for conspircy.
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2006, 02:08:36 PM »

I agree that it is mostly senseless.  It makes them sleep better at night but that is about it.  They are standing up for principle and so they don't mind getting thrown in jail over an issue which no one cares or will ever pay attention to.  Getting arrested for filing someone's nails?  Wow, what an accomplishment. 

There is a time and place for everything and civil disobedience can be an effective tactic if used properly.  I think those people who are getting arrested now don't realize that. 
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2006, 04:14:07 PM »

When I first moved to NH and found out about NHFree, I thought the "civil disobedience" crowd were *hurting* the freedom movement more than helping it, buy turning off "average people" who otherwise would be very receptive to pro-freedom messages.

Then as I got active in the NH State House, I saw what an amazing "multiplier" effect these actions have on the elected politicians. Sure, it's the same 20 people over & over again, and only a small handful actually get arrested (Lauren, Mike, Russ), they generate a HUGE amount of media in-state... and that makes the politicians think that NH is veritably swarming with free-staters, even though there are only a few hundred of us.

As such, I've come to conclude that if civil disobedience garners lots of mainstream media attention (perfect example was Mike Fisher's "outlaw manicure", that was brilliant), and gets more people to move to NH for freedom, than on balance it is a good thing, even though it does turn off other people who I believe are more directly effective in actually making changes happen.

Do keep in mind that:

a) 80% of free-staters are NOT the civil-disobedience types, instead they are more politically-oriented -- running for office, helping people run for office, reading the bills, infiltrating political parties, writing Letters to the Editor, etc, etc

b) some of the "politico" types also post on nhfree.com -- over half of the Board of Directors of the ]NH Liberty Alliance post on NHFree, and none of us are much into Civ Dis.

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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2006, 05:42:41 PM »

What, you all think you're too good to stand out in the rain and hold up "MINISTRY OF TORTURE" signs? :mrgreen:
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2006, 05:42:58 PM »

Maybe the question should be given to the cops doing the arresting. Why did they arrest Lauren?
What crime did she commit?
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2006, 06:42:42 PM »

Maybe the question should be given to the cops doing the arresting. Why did they arrest Lauren?
What crime did she commit?

Reading a book on a porch. Thought is a crime these days. Weren't you aware?
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2006, 07:02:57 PM »

I understood that she was hit for "Vagrancy" ? I'm not sure. I thought they were accusing her of being a squatter.
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2006, 07:11:28 PM »

I understood that she was hit for "Vagrancy" ? I'm not sure. I thought they were accusing her of being a squatter.

Being a vagrant is a crime these days? Damn...that's what I planned on doing.
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2006, 07:42:01 PM »

Criminal trespass, and later, refusal to be fingerprinted.
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Re: What's the point of the NHFee.com'ers getting arrested all the time?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2006, 08:29:18 PM »

Criminal trespass, and later, refusal to be fingerprinted.


I stand corrected.
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