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ReasonableVoice

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What are the corporations getting ?

business opportunity and access to other legal benefits
-- for example, limited liability protection, preferred status in bidding on government contracts, etc


What is the math ?

When the profit derived from the business opportunity and legal benefits
exceeds the amount paid in taxes, everyone can clearly see succe$$ by the math.

That said, both business opportunity and legal benefits can be difficult to quantify
       as they can be valued differently (ie fuzzy value) by each person/corporation.
To someone outside of the corporation, this "fuzzy math" may make it look like failure even when it is success.

Also, a corporation may intend to suffer losses short term for longer term gain, etc.
Those who give up in business because their start-up cost put them in the red, don't understand business.
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What are the corporations getting ?

business opportunity and access to other legal benefits

Vague

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-- for example, limited liability protection,

So wiggle room to violate people's rights without repercussions? Not comfortable with that.

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preferred status in bidding on government contracts, etc

The only money government has for contracts is what they've collected from corporate taxes. There's no way that's going to come out in the black in general. At best a few corporations could benefit at the cost of most.

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When the profit derived from the business opportunity and legal benefits
exceeds the amount paid in taxes, everyone can clearly see succe$$ by the math.

Well, of course. This is the perfect example of the logical fallacy known as begging the question.

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That said, both business opportunity and legal benefits can be difficult to quantify
       as they can be valued differently (ie fuzzy value) by each person/corporation.
To someone outside of the corporation, this "fuzzy math" may make it look like failure even when it is success.

Still not doing anything to inspire my confidence in this idea.

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Also, a corporation may intend to suffer losses short term for longer term gain, etc.
Those who give up in business because their start-up cost put them in the red, don't understand business.

No argument there. Don't see how it's at all relevant. This entire post is basically a non-answer. You're making corporations pay not just for benefits for them but for benefits for everyone. How is this going to make any economic sense? How are they not better off going with some alternative service in the market that only makes them pay for the benefits they actually receive?

BTW, your explanation for your giant text makes no sense. What you write is for OUR benefit and none of us is claiming any difficulty reading it. You're obviously reading our small text somehow. I still think you should observe some basic netiquette and not use obnoxious attention-whoring text style.
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ReasonableVoice

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What are the corporations getting ?

business opportunity and access to other legal benefits

Vague
Not vague.  General, to give a reasonable short answer, but not vague.
In fact, I even listed an example to assist understanding those phrase/terms.


-- for example, limited liability protection,

So wiggle room to violate people's rights without repercussions?
What rights ?






preferred status in bidding on government contracts, etc

The only money government has for contracts is what they've collected from corporate taxes.
Erroneous conclusion.
The government can implement/create currency without any taxes.
Of course, that becomes a major problem if the government allows
a PRIVATE corporation to provide a currency instead ( END THE FED ).




When the profit derived from the business opportunity and legal benefits
exceeds the amount paid in taxes, everyone can clearly see succe$$ by the math.

Well, of course. This is the perfect example of the logical fallacy known as begging the question.
Begging what question ?

There is nothing fallacious about this response to the comment, "That just seems like a basic math failure."
I simply identified how math does not fail.




Still not doing anything to inspire my confidence in this idea.
I'm not trying to inspire confidence. I am stating a potential way to fund building a fire house . . . without STEALING.
Alternatives do exist. A community of people could make private donations, etc.



You're making corporations pay not just for benefits for them but for benefits for everyone.
Not really.
I don’t mean benefit as in “free benefit”.
I mean benefit as in “receive something that is desired”.

The people offer (business opportunity) and desire (fire house).

The corporations pay (taxes) to the government for (business opportunity).
The government uses (taxes) to  fund (fire house).

The people and corporation have simply traded/bartered
and government was just the vehicle for accomplishing the trade.



basic netiquette ?
aRE YoU tHE NeT PoLIcE ?

obnoxious attention-whoring text style?
You are free to express your fallacious opinion. That’s liberty :-0)

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