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Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)

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Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« on: August 22, 2006, 10:26:28 PM »
Vote NO to raise tobacco tax $2.60 in CA with prop 82!  Make your voice heard and attach your libertarian messages!
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2006, 02:29:34 AM »
Yes. Also no on 87, which is the gas tax crap. Also they're bringing back the socialized preschool initiative AFAIK...
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2006, 03:04:45 AM »
Why bother?  Go over the wall and escape from that hell hole. 
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2006, 09:16:52 AM »
Quote from: Evil Muppet on August 27, 2006, 03:04:45 AM
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2006, 09:36:05 AM »
I just think its silly that you can't legally grow tobacco in the US
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2006, 10:34:30 AM »
Quote from: robbyweber82 on August 27, 2006, 09:36:05 AM
I just think its silly that you can't legally grow tobacco in the US

Can you direct me to the laws prohibiting the harvesting of tobacco?  RJ Reynolds, Altria Group, and a few other companies might want to know about it.
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2006, 01:36:03 PM »
Quote from: robbyweber82 on August 27, 2006, 09:36:05 AM
I just think its silly that you can't legally grow tobacco in the US
Most of the tobacco in the world is from Virginia, Kentucky....
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2006, 04:15:51 PM »
and it is still heavily subsidized.  Tobacco farmers make a killing. 
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2006, 04:29:39 PM »
Quote from: Evil Muppet on August 27, 2006, 04:15:51 PM
and it is still heavily subsidized.  Tobacco farmers make a killing. 

That is so fucked up too.  First, we use people's money to subsidize tobacco companies.  Then we take money from smokers in order to educate them not to smoke, then we use people's money to sue the tobacco companies.


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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2006, 06:53:58 PM »
Pretty much. I never thought of it that way, but its totally true; Most "sin" industries/products are probably like that. You've also have to love that US farmers get protective subsidies, etc. while people in third world countries starve to death because of sanctions, etc.
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2006, 01:23:26 PM »
Do like I did. Do like 3 members of the Free State Project board of Directors did:
GET THE FUCK OUT OF CALIFORNIA, ASAP!

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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2006, 02:50:41 PM »
Tobacco is legal to grow but you have to have permission or a permit allowing you to grow a certain number of acers and you have to pay for those permits you also have to have a permit to buy the permit (I know it is confusing).  Recently there was a buy out to buy all the permits to purchase the permits so that people are giving up the right to grow their alotment of tobacco from now on for a buy out price.  The farmer has to balance what they think future earnings might be vs giving up growing any tobacco in the future. 

BTW North Carolina is the largest producer of Tobacco in America and the largest buyer of American Tobacco is (brace yourself) The Chinesse Government.  It is one of the biggest export crops in North America.  This is changing as China is now growing their own Tobacco.

Those who took the buy out are looking for a crop that will support the taxes and give them a living.  Most of the farmers I know even the old coots support the following. http://capwiz.com/votehemp/home/ INDUSTRIAL HEMP Advocate
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2006, 07:52:09 PM »
Quote from: d_goddard on August 29, 2006, 01:23:26 PM
GET THE FUCK OUT OF CALIFORNIA, ASAP!
BUT DISNEYLAND!
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2006, 04:29:02 PM »
I'm in WA right now, which is actually moderately worse. I'll be moving to NH in a couple of years, after college, provided that the police state doesn't get too much huger. I deal w/ planes a lot nowdays, so if that crap keeps up, I'll be driving 3,000 odd miles cross country to get to the Free State. It would be annoying, but I could make it an adventure... ;)
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Re: Vote NO on 82 in CA!
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2006, 07:20:21 PM »
Quote from: bushwacker on September 01, 2006, 04:29:02 PM
I'll be driving 3,000 odd miles cross country to get to the Free State. It would be annoying, but I could make it an adventure... ;)
Blog it... so others can read it, and share the adventure!
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