U.S. Military Troops Display Agression during driving through traffic

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

 I am 40 years old and in far better shape than most of these 20 somethings.

our hero.
funny, all these ''kids'' i see in real life, or the papers, or on tv are in top physical condition.
lean, mean motherfuckers, from what i see.
maybe you confuse them w/ local cops at the donut shop.

very true.  Insane levels of mandatory p.t.will do that to a person.

[davann]

Maybe they are (and maybe I was) leaches off the state, but really they are just a bunch of misinformed kids

Misinformed kids behaving badly because of misinformation still deserve to be punished. How will they learn and grow if never punished? Getting spit upon will drive the lesson not to behave badly home. Just listen to those old Vietnam vets still bitching about being treated badly when they got home. They learned their lesson.

[One two three]

That video is old and back them people were taught to drive aggressively because US military were so hated in Iraq that they could have literally been killed at any time while off base.  Of course, that isn't isn't a moral excuse (at least to me) for driving like that.

In fact, I'm so glad I didn't have to go to Iraq because with behavoir like that, it legitimately looks like the driver is doing things that he knows may kill be so it seems, that if that happened in the US, some of the other drivers may be justified in killing the aggressive driver in self defense (as he may be trying to kill them).

I doubt that was SOP for driving back then and surely it isn't now.

Davann, most of the males I knew in the military were in far better shape than the average American male, especially the military males in their 20s.  I agree that some of the older folks (doctors, nurses) and some of the females in generally weren't in anything but average shape.  Of course, I only saw several 1000 soldiers and not the whole military and I've been out for years so maybe things have changed.

 

[davann]

Davann, most of the males I knew in the military were in far better shape than the average American male, especially the military males in their 20s.  I agree that some of the older folks (doctors, nurses) and some of the females in generally weren't in anything but average shape. 
 

The front line retards that sign up for the infantry tend to be in excellent shape and young. The support people, which make up 90% (I am guessing), tend to be fat and overweight. The US military is mobile, meaning wheels, they don't march that much to get from place to place. It relies heavily on tech to get the job done. There just is not that much call to be fit in today's army.

The ones I served with were all fat. Mostly they were interested in drinking beer and sitting around bullshitting. Take a close look at one of those local news stories of a troop deployment. Unless you are near a base that is strictly infantry or marines you will see the average physical condition of the military. They are fat, lazy and stupid. The ones highlighted in the government media tend to be the best of the best. Got to keep the image up. Propaganda does not work so well when showing off the fat greasy mouth breather falling out of his uniform. 

[Riddler]

 Vietnam vets still bitching about being treated badly when they got home. They learned their lesson.

they learned that unwashed, pot-smoking, bread-line standing, shit-heel hippies will procreate & have large numbers of fuckstick offspring that will contribute greatly to this country's demise.

[Turd Ferguson]

 Vietnam vets still bitching about being treated badly when they got home. They learned their lesson.

they learned that unwashed, pot-smoking, bread-line standing, shit-heel hippies will procreate & have large numbers of fuckstick offspring that will contribute greatly to this country's demise.

I bitch about the military industria complex alot, but I gotta say this is true as well...... cept for the pot-smoking part I agree 100%

Im part of that strange breed that dislikes the military as well as liberal hippie types. They're both collectivists when it comes right down to it.

[davann]

 Vietnam vets still bitching about being treated badly when they got home. They learned their lesson.

they learned that unwashed, pot-smoking, bread-line standing, shit-heel hippies will procreate & have large numbers of fuckstick offspring that will contribute greatly to this country's demise.

I've gotta love any group that will help in this country's demise. That is why I love illegal alliens so much.

[alaric89]

Davann, most of the males I knew in the military were in far better shape than the average American male, especially the military males in their 20s.  I agree that some of the older folks (doctors, nurses) and some of the females in generally weren't in anything but average shape. 
 

The front line retards that sign up for the infantry tend to be in excellent shape and young. The support people, which make up 90% (I am guessing), tend to be fat and overweight. The US military is mobile, meaning wheels, they don't march that much to get from place to place. It relies heavily on tech to get the job done. There just is not that much call to be fit in today's army.

The ones I served with were all fat. Mostly they were interested in drinking beer and sitting around bullshitting. Take a close look at one of those local news stories of a troop deployment. Unless you are near a base that is strictly infantry or marines you will see the average physical condition of the military. They are fat, lazy and stupid. The ones highlighted in the government media tend to be the best of the best. Got to keep the image up. Propaganda does not work so well when showing off the fat greasy mouth breather falling out of his uniform. 

Thank you for your service. 
Cards on the table. We are about the same age. Our generation went to a war and didn't finish the job. From the US soldier perspective, Desert Storm was a combination of a severe game of kicking ass and a clusterfuck. Politicians stopped the military from taking out the entire region even after Saddam Hussein's men literally tried to end the world by lighting the Kuwaiti oil fields. Years later Asshole Bush 2 used sorry excuses to create the stupid assed occupation we have now. I feel sorry for those poor deluded kids who are manipulated to be there, because it is partially my fault the fucking politicians have them there at all. What surprises me is how any ex soldier wouldn't know all this. I went right to college after my service and I got nothing but respect from my fellow students, they thought I was some sort of hero even though I knew I wasn't. When you know what bullshit these kids are being fed how can you suggest random soldiers should get such treatment from people they have been told appreciate their service? Soldiers who kill civilians should be court marshaled. Their commanders should be spit on. But that would take balls to do. Not spitting on some random fat supply depot guy.
 And I remember after we got back to Germany:
Pushups; 80 in the allotted two minutes plus another 40 unclocked
Situps; 100 in the allotted two minutes plus another 100 unclocked
2 mile run; 10:40 with a hangover
Now: yeah maybe 40 each on a good day and I am not sure if I can even run 2 miles at a time without resting (bad knees)
Al 41 might be able to give Al 21 a good fight but if it went very long and Al 41 would be Powned

 

[davann]

Davann, most of the males I knew in the military were in far better shape than the average American male, especially the military males in their 20s.  I agree that some of the older folks (doctors, nurses) and some of the females in generally weren't in anything but average shape.
 

The front line retards that sign up for the infantry tend to be in excellent shape and young. The support people, which make up 90% (I am guessing), tend to be fat and overweight. The US military is mobile, meaning wheels, they don't march that much to get from place to place. It relies heavily on tech to get the job done. There just is not that much call to be fit in today's army.

The ones I served with were all fat. Mostly they were interested in drinking beer and sitting around bullshitting. Take a close look at one of those local news stories of a troop deployment. Unless you are near a base that is strictly infantry or marines you will see the average physical condition of the military. They are fat, lazy and stupid. The ones highlighted in the government media tend to be the best of the best. Got to keep the image up. Propaganda does not work so well when showing off the fat greasy mouth breather falling out of his uniform.  

Thank you for your service.  
Cards on the table. We are about the same age. Our generation went to a war and didn't finish the job. From the US soldier perspective, Desert Storm was a combination of a severe game of kicking ass and a clusterfuck. Politicians stopped the military from taking out the entire region even after Saddam Hussein's men literally tried to end the world by lighting the Kuwaiti oil fields. Years later Asshole Bush 2 used sorry excuses to create the stupid assed occupation we have now. I feel sorry for those poor deluded kids who are manipulated to be there, because it is partially my fault the fucking politicians have them there at all. What surprises me is how any ex soldier wouldn't know all this. I went right to college after my service and I got nothing but respect from my fellow students, they thought I was some sort of hero even though I knew I wasn't. When you know what bullshit these kids are being fed how can you suggest random soldiers should get such treatment from people they have been told appreciate their service? Soldiers who kill civilians should be court marshaled. Their commanders should be spit on. But that would take balls to do. Not spitting on some random fat supply depot guy.

The only thing you can blame yourself for is being stupid enough to join in the first place. Just like me. But, still there is no excuse for stupidity. Age does not factor into it. Either something is stupid to do and should not be done or it is not.

The stakes are very high when it comes to the stupid mistake of joining up. That is why the lesson must take on a very personal and aggressive approach. Getting spat upon sends a very clear and understandable message. Stupidity does not excuse ones bad behavior.

What I don’t understand is how people here can get so pissed off at cops but not members of the military. The military dudes are far worse. They should be shunned and treated as lepers.

[Branlin]

The only thing you can blame yourself for is being stupid enough to join in the first place. Just like me. But, still there is no excuse for stupidity. Age does not factor into it. Either something is stupid to do and should not be done or it is not.

The stakes are very high when it comes to the stupid mistake of joining up. That is why the lesson must take on a very personal and aggressive approach. Getting spat upon sends a very clear and understandable message. Stupidity does not excuse ones bad behavior.

What I don’t understand is how people here can get so pissed off at cops but not members of the military. The military dudes are far worse. They should be shunned and treated as lepers.

I agree with everything you've written in this thread. The only difference between us, regarding this subject, is that I was never in the military. I despised government when I was young, and my hatred has only grown over the years. I despise all government employees, at any level, including the local dogcatcher. But the insidious nature of an overbearing government, that has its tentacles into everything, puts me in a dilemma -- several of my family members work (or retired) for government: cop, teacher, librarian, school bus mechanic -- and I don't despise them personally, because I can't, they are my flesh and blood.

And I get into discussions with pro-empire friends about politicians screwing up the wars; we heard all this in the Vietnam era too. My point: war is, by its very nature, political. It is started and run by politicians. War is the grand-daddy of all government programs.

There is much more to it than which side has more firepower (if you are not familiar with William Lind's essays on Fourth Generation warfare, look it up, it's quite interesting). If the population at large turns against a war, its days are usually numbered. That's why politicians lie more than usual when it comes to war; the masses must be kept in the dark.

At any rate, I am fucking tired of living in a militarized culture. Everybody "supports the troops" without even thinking about it. It is just natural because we are so militarized. I think a lot of it is leftover guilt from the Vietnam era. Everyone was aghast that Timothy McVeigh would do something so horrible as bombing an entire Federal building full of people. I read a few months ago that some kid was caught waterboarding his girlfriend because he suspected she was cheating on him. I wonder where these people learn this stuff? Haha. THIS BEHAVIOR IS UNACCEPTABLE!  Yes, for civilians, but just fine for employees of the government.

Fuck those trillion dollar jets flying over ball games. If that isn't a display of militarism then I don't know what is.

Militarism and nationalism, IMO, are two of several factors that are destroying us.

[davann]

Militarism and nationalism, IMO, are two of several factors that are destroying us.

Exactly. The mere fact that military jets fly over sporting events proves this society is not worth saving. Let it burn along with anyone that gets a boner over such displays of state power. It is far more civilized to spit upon all such displays, even on state uniforms with stupid kids in them.

[Branlin]

Militarism and nationalism, IMO, are two of several factors that are destroying us.

Exactly. The mere fact that military jets fly over sporting events proves this society is not worth saving. Let it burn along with anyone that gets a boner over such displays of state power. It is far more civilized to spit upon all such displays, even on state uniforms with stupid kids in them.

Totally agree. 

I just got into it with a poster at another forum, who I believe is in his mid 40s, but just robotically repeats everything he hears Limbaugh, Hannity, FOX news, etc. say.

He's all for killing every Muslim on the planet but is all pissed off about the out-of-control TSA, bitching about our loss of freedom.

So I said to him, how do you like the empire now? He is a prime example of the mindless, un-thinking nationalism out there.

[alaric89]

I do not hold the young and stupid, to the same standards as I hold people who have close to my own experience or greater. And I will not become what I hate. Not every soldier is evil, some are just blind. Spitting on random soldiers would be counter productive. Inexperience is a excuse.
I tend to get respect from youth. A grumpy old fart at work asked me why.

[Branlin]

I do not hold the young and stupid, to the same standards as I hold people who have close to my own experience or greater. And I will not become what I hate. Not every soldier is evil, some are just blind. Spitting on random soldiers would be counter productive. Inexperience is a excuse.
I tend to get respect from youth. A grumpy old fart at work asked me why.

When I said I agreed with davann, I didn't mean I would physically spit on them -- or anyone else for that matter. I am more polite than that, and am not, and never was, an activist. Besides, I'm old enough to be their grandfather. But I agree with the sentiment.

As an aside, the story of VN vets getting spat on has never been proven, last I knew. It is not clear whether it actually ever happened. As I remember the story from a few years ago, no one has ever come forward and said "I was that guy." Maybe it's just another one of those urban myths. (I don't know why all myths come from the urban areas, we have plenty of myths out here in the boonies too. )

[davann]

I do not hold the young and stupid, to the same standards as I hold people who have close to my own experience or greater.  Inexperience is a excuse.

Why would you do such a thing? We are all individuals. Age does not exempt a person from responsibility. Nor does lack of experience. These men and women in the military are all way over the age an individual learns the difference between right and wrong. They have no excuse. They all share the blame at equal levels. In fact, I'd say the guy pulling the trigger or in this case the E-3 driving the humv is directly to blame while his fat assed 2nd lieutenant in the back seat is less to blame. After all it was the E-3 acting liking a prick behind the wheel. Who gives a shit about the orders from some lowly snot nosed officer?
That is the difference between this generation of military members and those of the WWII. My grandfather loved to tell the story of how his platoon killed their commander during boot camp for being an idiot. My grandfather is dead now so no harm in retelling it here.