To the Gentleman that is so poor that he thinks he can't afford to move to Keen

[tittiger]

Heard a guy call in that really wanted to get to Keen but did not think that he could afford the move.
I am in the same boat my brother!

Buy a van and move in the spring and you can live in the van for 6 months while you look around and get settled....

I think one good way to do this if possible is to buy a few acres between a few folks where there is not building code and work together as much as the participants are willing to share and cut costs.  Renting in the city is just a never ending expense IMHO.

I moved to Missouri hoping to do exactly that --  I just have not met the right folks yet.

Hit me up for ideas I have thought this through for years and have much rural living experience.

-- Joe

[Branlin]

Heard a guy call in that really wanted to get to Keen but did not think that he could afford the move.
I am in the same boat my brother!

I heard that call too, the guy's in a tough spot. Did he say how old he was? If he did, I missed it.

[tittiger]

LOL

He got my attention because he is actually doing a lot better than I am at the moment.

The left has their act together in some ways in their ability to work together.
Check out the site http://www.ic.org/ if you are curious about situations like this.
Too bad it's all leftest doing this and very few if any patriots.

Is anyone up to a FreeState project Intentional Community?  If I had some bucks I would seriously start something like that.
Perhaps we should seriously consider something like that so that the financially challenged could move up to Keen!


In the very near future those of us that are doing well may be between a rock and a hard place. It is a shame
Americans are too independent to work together before TSHTF.  I hope things don't get that bed but it is better to
prepare for the worse case and pray for the best as I like to say.

Take care -- Joe

[anarchir]

When I think of the commune environment, all I can think of is Wacco. Thanks, but count me out.

[tittiger]

When I think of the commune environment, all I can think of is Wacco. Thanks, but count me out.

I find it amusing how people draw conclusions about things which they know nothing about and are  too lazy to investigate.

--Joe

[anarchir]

When I think of the commune environment, all I can think of is Wacco. Thanks, but count me out.

I find it amusing how people draw conclusions about things which they know nothing about and are  too lazy to investigate.

--Joe

Oooh, too lazy to investigate? Now you hit a nerve. I am not apathetic or ignorant in this regard. I was an anarchist before I was anarcho-capitalist, so I did some research into the organized community thing. I feel it would end up like Wacco because of the way the government can take a group like that, demonize and slaughter them and still get public sympathy.

I read your site you posted, and all the info I got was they were shelling out magazines.

Have you looked at http://wannastartacommune.com/ ? I have, and it is a budding site for growing new communes. How about the now defunct "Cul-de-sac Commune" project where people where trying to plan out communities based on the suburban culture and modern housing? http://spedr.com/1jwxi

What about the Agorist Acres in Grafton (a place I may move some day). http://agoristacres.com/

Or Frank Lloyd Wrights thoughts on urban planning:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lloyd_Wright#Community_planning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadacre_City
Broadacre City was the antithesis of a city and the apotheosis of the newly born suburbia, shaped through Wright's particular vision. It was both a planning statement and a socio-political scheme by which each U.S. family would be given a one acre (4,000 m˛) plot of land from the federal lands reserves, and a Wright-conceived community would be built anew from this. In a sense it was the exact opposite of transit-oriented development. There is a train station and a few office and apartment buildings in Broadacre City, but the apartment dwellers are expected to be a small minority. All important transport is done by automobile and the pedestrian can exist safely only within the confines of the one acre (4,000 m˛) plots where most of the population dwells.

Wright proposed that people could live and work in tall skyscrapers, and the rest of the ground could be used for farming, gardens, wildlife, etc.

[slayerboy]

I think we're talking about different types of communes.

I mean, look at http://www.thevenusproject.com/ and tell me that's the same as Agorist Acres? 

[Branlin]

I think we're talking about different types of communes.

I mean, look at http://www.thevenusproject.com/ and tell me that's the same as Agorist Acres? 

I've not followed any links, but I find it a bit surprising that people are discussing communes here as a good thing.

I was a teenager in the 60s, when hippies had communes here and there. That's probably where the term "commie-lib" came from because communes are just a miniature version of communism. I believe "communism," "community," and "commune" all derive from the same root word.

Everything is owned communally, and all work done communally. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." LOL. A "worker's paradise."

It all sounds great on paper, but, because of human nature, never works IRL for very long.

[Andy]

A family can be a functioning commune.

The only philosophical objection I have to a commune would be in such cases were they have no valid claim to their collective property, or they tried to stop someone from leaving.

And yes, if you're talking about the ideal end state of a communist society a commune could resemble that. Is there something wrong with that? I wouldn't like to live in one, but I'm a malcontented eccentric who doesn't play well with others.

[Branlin]

A family can be a functioning commune.

The only philosophical objection I have to a commune would be in such cases were they have no valid claim to their collective property, or they tried to stop someone from leaving.

And yes, if you're talking about the ideal end state of a communist society a commune could resemble that. Is there something wrong with that? I wouldn't like to live in one, but I'm a malcontented eccentric who doesn't play well with others.

Of course something as small as a family could be considered a "commune." I was thinking of the 60s type, which didn't work out.

How does one claim ownership to collective property?

As I see it, the whole idea stems from Marxism which was supposed to be paradise. In theory, everything was communally owned; in practice you owned nothing, arguably not even your toothbrush.

But as the size grew, the law of unintended consequences was never far away. The conclusion, as we all know, was oppression, torture, and mass murder for the enemies of the state on a scale never seen or imagined before.

So to my way of thinking, the idea of communes is flawed from the very beginning. Can they work on a very small scale? Probably. But so does government, lol. Unfortunately, neither are static or fixed.

Maybe I'm just prejudiced against hippies, because it wasn't my thing back then. I was a gearhead, biker, beer drinker type.

[anarchir]

Communes are fine, so long as they are voluntary. I think the anarcho-capitalist type commune though is more of a cheap college dorm type environment. Able to pack as many people into one area as possible, and allowing the people to spread their wings and go elsewhere.

[Riddler]

plus, the head hippy's gonna end up fuckin' yer old lady.

[Riddler]

When I think of the commune environment, all I can think of is Wacco. Thanks, but count me out.

...or chuck manson's club

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Is it just me, or does the idea of living in an "agorist" trailer park full of people demanding their "right" to pile junk and rotting furniture all over the place sound completely horrible and unappealing to everyone else as well?

[voodoo]

Is it just me, or does the idea of living in an "agorist" trailer park full of people demanding their "right" to pile junk and rotting furniture all over the place sound completely horrible and unappealing to everyone else as well?

Since we're playing the "it's gonna happen because I say it will, not because I have any sort of logical analysis" game, living in a park full of silver-plated Airstreams sipping the world's finest rums from unobtanium goblets with a bunch of intelligent, like-minded individuals sounds pretty appealing.