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I was one of the first AMPlifiers. I listened to FTL religiously for years. I was a Platinum AMP this whole time.

I'm just tired of juvenile stunts, FK-style. I'm tired of the FSP being associated with a kooky group like FK. I'm tired of vapid phrases like "hurting peaceful people" and "nonviolent evolution". I'm tired of being told that "FTL is not FK is not FSP".

When I joined the FSP and moved to NH, it was about connecting with civil society and your new neighbors in NH. Not about sealing oneself off in a libertarian enclave. The people who joined the FSP and got active in the real native community are the ones making real, positive strides for liberty in our lifetimes. The people who think smoking dope in a drum circle on central square is "activism" are just deluding themselves, and via Ian, FTL is enabling that unhelpful mindset.

I hardly listen to FTL any more, Ian just makes me wince too much.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2012, 10:19:42 PM »

Cool - we'll keep being the number one recruiter for the FSP and bringing new people here.  Thanks for helping make that happen.
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 10:27:07 PM »

By they way, I guess you've missed my sponsorship of the local homeless shelter and food kitchen.  You weren't there for the conversations I have had with supportive local business owners and others in the community.

You only focus on the negative, or what you perceive of as negative.

Do you really believe that FTL and LRN.FM are on the whole a negative to the liberty movement?  Ridic.
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 10:30:13 PM »

Thanks to everyone who continues to AMP regardless of any personal nitpicks they have  with Mark or myself.  Were it not for you (and Denis for a long while), we wouldn't be the only principled voice of liberty on over 100 radio stations coast-to-coast.
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 10:34:15 PM »

I'm tired of vapid phrases like "hurting peaceful people" and "nonviolent evolution".

This says a lot about you Dennis, in a not good way.

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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 11:31:34 PM »



I'm just tired of juvenile stunts, FK-style. I'm tired of the FSP being associated with a kooky group like FK. I'm tired of vapid phrases like "hurting peaceful people" and "nonviolent evolution". I'm tired of being told that "FTL is not FK is not FSP".

When I joined the FSP and moved to NH, it was about connecting with civil society and your new neighbors in NH. Not about sealing oneself off in a libertarian enclave. The people who joined the FSP and got active in the real native community are the ones making real, positive strides for liberty in our lifetimes. The people who think smoking dope in a drum circle on central square is "activism" are just deluding themselves, and via Ian, FTL is enabling that unhelpful mindset.


 :?:I don't understand how anyone can misrepresent the FSP since it doesn't endorse anything other than bringing liberty minded activists to nh. :?:

Mission Statement:

"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire.."

"The success of the Project would likely entail reductions in taxation and regulation, reforms at all levels of government, to expand individual rights and free markets, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world."

If FSP doesn't endorse any particular issue or type of activism, why would what some people do bother you? I understand some things could be counterproductive, but I don't get what seems to be the idea of the post.. i.e. to throw in the towel because you dislike or disagree with particular forms of activism.

Wouldn't it be more productive to try and steer or create the kind of activism you find responsible?

I feel like something this dramatic should be accompanied by more explanation.
What am I missing here?
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 11:42:10 PM »

I'm tired of vapid phrases like "hurting peaceful people" and "nonviolent evolution".

This says a lot about you Dennis, in a not good way.



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Sad to see Dennis still so worked up about this.  Hope you get past your anger.
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012, 12:38:18 AM »

Cool - we'll keep being the number one recruiter for the FSP and bringing new people here.  Thanks for helping make that happen.

It informed me about the FSP, converted me from "anarchist" to "anarcho-capitalist" eventually I found out about agorism, voluntaryism and the like. Eventually it convinced me to join the FSP (soon).

I dont listen as often as I used to, but FTL really helped me through some hard times in the past as well.
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012, 01:48:55 AM »

The people who think smoking dope in a drum circle on central square is "activism" are just deluding themselves, and via Ian, FTL is enabling that unhelpful mindset.

I don't totally disagree with this criticism and I too am a long time platinum, but what's a talk radio show without the occasional PR stunt?  On balance, it's the only program out there that consistently brings us serious criticism of the encroaching police state (from both the so-called left and right).  So it's valuable to me, especially as an election cycle looms.  Somebody has to stand up for what's right and what's civil.  The dope smoking thing can seem self-serving NORML claptrap but the hard facts of life are millions of lives ruined or lost every year because of the prohibitionists and their direct and indirect effects.  So it's not just fucking around.  I don't even do drugs and I support this effort, on purely humanitarian, practical, and philosophical grounds.

Just yesterday I was mulling over whether to raise my AMP level to $50 or $100 or more until the November elections are over.  Now, more than ever.
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 03:02:45 AM »

Bravo, Denis!

If FTL is the number one recruiter it is also number one at turning people away and also them leaving once they stay for awhile...

It is pretty easy to see the quality of the people FTL attracts is sub par, but luckily they leave just as quickly as they arrived after a short stay.
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 03:03:52 AM »

Sorry you are having money problems Denis. Good luck to you.

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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 11:24:06 AM »

Bravo, Denis!

If FTL is the number one recruiter it is also number one at turning people away and also them leaving once they stay for awhile...

It is pretty easy to see the quality of the people FTL attracts is sub par, but luckily they leave just as quickly as they arrived after a short stay.

LOL.  Come to Porcfest and ask a crowd how many are FTL listeners.  You'll find all kinds of good people. 
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2012, 12:54:18 PM »

I'm tired of vapid phrases like "hurting peaceful people" and "nonviolent evolution".

This says a lot about you Dennis, in a not good way.



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Sad to see Dennis still so worked up about this.  Hope you get past your anger.

Denis doesn't seem terribly worked up about it. It sounds like he's disagreed with the direction of the show for a while, and finally came to a decision. He used the power of his wallet to show his disapproval.

Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work?
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 01:19:43 PM »

If you're done listening to Ian, start listening to Mark.

Mark is your voice of reason and realistically interacting with your neighbors.
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Re: Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 01:31:55 PM »

If you're done listening to Ian, start listening to Mark.

Mark is your voice of reason and realistically interacting with your neighbors.


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