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Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« on: February 03, 2011, 12:08:21 AM »

Going down the road of socialism or anarchism currently.

Why join a libertarian forum, then? Well, I started out as a vague anti-Bush Democrat until before the election, like many others, Ron Paul introduced me to libertarianism. I started listening to the FTL podcast around the same time. Since then, I've spent most of the Obama Administration redefining myself as a Goldwater Republican or a classical liberal or whatever else seemed interesting to me. Anyway, even though I haven't listened to the show in years, I thought it'd be educational to join an exclusively libertarian message board and shoot the shit here. I have the feeling people here are generally more intelligent and down to earth than other places I could have signed up on. :D So howdy.
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 12:23:43 AM »

Welcome Good Sir!

May you enjoy your time on our message board here at bbs.freetalklive.com. Beware the trolls, for there are many. Obvious trolls come and go but the most devious ones are at all levels within our domain. Herein you may find small talk about the weather, financial wisdom from our dearest Drifter, sexy threads with many many pages, a page devoted to Chaos, movie reviews, growing discussions, bad talking against the government, discussion of liberty issues, New Hampshire Drama  :shock: , relentless mocking of spammers, etc.

Remember, almost anything goes except for declaring violence against fellow commentators, the most blatant of racism, and the most evil crime of all: SPAMMING. Also, if you make your username into a super long URL instead of an actual username you may expect to be ostracized (I'm looking at you NHA10!).
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 12:28:14 AM »

Oh yeah btw I'm an anarcho-capitalist, and I used to have more left-anarchist leanings. These days its all about the Non-Aggression Principle. If you havent heard of it check it out.
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2011, 12:32:18 AM »

I used to be a Left libertarian. Then i listened to the market for liberty and Healing our world audio book and soon became a "anarchist" .

you can get the free audio book here http://freekeene.com/free-audiobook/

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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 07:37:25 PM »

Hello.
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 07:45:08 PM »

For the life of me, I cannot see how socialism can be equated to liberty. I mean, communal property and to each according to need break down so readily in the real world.
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 07:59:33 PM »

For the life of me, I cannot see how socialism can be equated to liberty. I mean, communal property and to each according to ability break down so readily in the real world.

The argument is that it just hasnt been tried by the right kind of people yet. People who wont take advantage of others willingness to work harder than themselves, or take more than their fair share out of the common pot.
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 08:02:53 PM »

Howdy.

Many labels in your intro... so, what is it that prevents you from just skipping all the stages and getting straight to anarchy?
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 08:04:55 PM »

For the life of me, I cannot see how socialism can be equated to liberty. I mean, communal property and to each according to ability break down so readily in the real world.

The argument is that it just hasnt been tried by the right kind of people yet. People who wont take advantage of others willingness to work harder than themselves, or take more than their fair share out of the common pot.

I pledge to work twice as hard as any other, and take less than half than any other. Because I love you.
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 08:07:28 PM »

Hey, welcome to the board. Almost anything goes.
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 08:07:48 PM »

For the life of me, I cannot see how socialism can be equated to liberty. I mean, communal property and to each according to ability break down so readily in the real world.

The argument is that it just hasnt been tried by the right kind of people yet. People who wont take advantage of others willingness to work harder than themselves, or take more than their fair share out of the common pot.

I pledge to work twice as hard as any other, and take less than half than any other. Because I love you.


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NICE!!!

Thats more for me!
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 09:11:33 PM »

For the life of me, I cannot see how socialism can be equated to liberty. I mean, communal property and to each according to ability break down so readily in the real world.

There are many examples of small-scale socialist communes that have been very successful.
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 10:06:17 PM »

For the life of me, I cannot see how socialism can be equated to liberty. I mean, communal property and to each according to ability break down so readily in the real world.

There are many examples of small-scale socialist communes that have been very successful.

I admit, the concept of shared property works well among small, tight knit groups who share the same values, like families or close friends. The concept breaks down fairly quickly on any larger scale. Property is the most effective means of solving disagreements about how resources should be utilized and consumed. Nearly every attempt at socialism suffers from the same problems: lack of motivation, exploitation of others, a decline at the top ability levels, an increase in cases of "need", theft, and starvation for some of the more severe failures. When others have a say (partial ownership in every aspect of your life, how can you have liberty?
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Re: Time to introduce myself... I'm a left libertarian
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 10:20:20 PM »

For the life of me, I cannot see how socialism can be equated to liberty. I mean, communal property and to each according to ability break down so readily in the real world.

There are many examples of small-scale socialist communes that have been very successful.

I admit, the concept of shared property works well among small, tight knit groups who share the same values, like families or close friends. The concept breaks down fairly quickly on any larger scale. Property is the most effective means of solving disagreements about how resources should be utilized and consumed. Nearly every attempt at socialism suffers from the same problems: lack of motivation, exploitation of others, a decline at the top ability levels, an increase in cases of "need", theft, and starvation for some of the more severe failures. When others have a say (partial ownership in every aspect of your life, how can you have liberty?

You know, I don't see a problem with any of that, so long as its voluntary. A group of people wanna form a commune? Let them, I say, but if someone wants to leave, let them too.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2011, 10:20:53 PM »

For the life of me, I cannot see how socialism can be equated to liberty. I mean, communal property and to each according to ability break down so readily in the real world.

There are many examples of small-scale socialist communes that have been very successful.

I admit, the concept of shared property works well among small, tight knit groups who share the same values, like families or close friends. The concept breaks down fairly quickly on any larger scale. Property is the most effective means of solving disagreements about how resources should be utilized and consumed. Nearly every attempt at socialism suffers from the same problems: lack of motivation, exploitation of others, a decline at the top ability levels, an increase in cases of "need", theft, and starvation for some of the more severe failures. When others have a say (partial ownership in every aspect of your life, how can you have liberty?

You know, I don't see a problem with any of that, so long as its voluntary. A group of people wanna form a commune? Let them, I say, but if someone wants to leave, let them too.

agreeing with this

also, if you are alive, and you participate in a society, others already have a say in what you do.
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