The Truth About The Civil War and Southern Secession

[Luke Smith]

Dude, what is with you and Nam?

What, besides it being the pinnacle of the subversive forces within this country defeating and tearing apart the patriotic forces within this country?

Ok, the reason why it's been on my mind recently is because there is a retired marine, named USMC Sgt. Peter MacDonald, who was treated terribly after he returned from Vietnam. He was spat on by a hippie girl, and called a "baby killer" at the airport when he arrived back in the United States. He has afterwards gotten terrible, terrible treatment from all these left-wing politicians that are now in power in New Hampshire, and it just makes me so, so mad.

[MacFall]

Luke, what exactly made it a noble and heroic act for the American colonies to secede from the British crown over a 4% tax rate, while it was wrong for the Southern states to secede over a 35% tariff that was impoverishing them?

It was essentially the same political act. The only difference was the governments involved in the conflicts. And don't tell me the difference was slavery, either - slavery was not even brought up as a causus belli except by one of the seceding states, and it was not even made an issue by the north until 4 years after the war had started.

[TimeLady Victorious]

Dude, what is with you and Nam?

What, besides it being the pinnacle of the subversive forces within this country defeating and tearing apart the patriotic forces within this country?

Ok, the reason why it's been on my mind recently is because there is a retired marine, named USMC Sgt. Peter MacDonald, who was treated terribly after he returned from Vietnam. He was spat on by a hippie girl, and called a "baby killer" at the airport when he arrived back in the United States. He has afterwards gotten terrible, terrible treatment from all these left-wing politicians that are now in power in New Hampshire, and it just makes me so, so mad.

Yeah, my uncle was in the Seabees. He was treated like shit too.

But Vietnam was about as useful to the United States as the CIA instigating coups in various Latin-American countries. It was a pointless war. Deal with it.

[Andy]

A lot of people here don't believe treason exists, and most of the rest would take it as a compliment. I suggest you find something else to throw around.

[Luke Smith]

A lot of people here don't believe treason exists, and most of the rest would take it as a compliment. I suggest you find something else to throw around.

The only people who would find it convenient to believe that treason doesn't exist are traitors.

[TimeLady Victorious]

A lot of people here don't believe treason exists, and most of the rest would take it as a compliment. I suggest you find something else to throw around.

The only people who would find it convenient to believe that treason doesn't exist are traitors.

so why are you on the federal government's cock so much

[NHArticleTen]

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

The North is not a husband, and the South is not a wife. They are two areas of the USA, one of which decided to commit treason against the USA.

The fact is that the South had its opportunity to become its own nation, right at the beginning when the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were being drafted and signed by the various delegates from the various states. If, during that time, the South had decided to create its own convention instead of the main convention, and use that convention to become its own country, then that would have been fine. But what the South did instead is signed the documents from the main convention and then decided 70 years later that it didn't want to live by the documents it signed 70 years earlier. That just doesn't work, folks. Once the South signed the Constitution, it was part of One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. If the South wanted to be part of a different nation, then it shouldn't have signed. But when it signed and 70 years later tried to secede, then what it was doing was breaking apart the indivisible nation of the USA, which is treason.

cause you signed it...amiright?

I didn't sign jack shit mothafucka

either you leave others alone or sooner or later you'll get back in spades, what you propose to "dish-out"...

can't happen soon enough from where we stand...

[davann]

Dude, what is with you and Nam?

What, besides it being the pinnacle of the subversive forces within this country defeating and tearing apart the patriotic forces within this country?

Ok, the reason why it's been on my mind recently is because there is a retired marine, named USMC Sgt. Peter MacDonald, who was treated terribly after he returned from Vietnam. He was spat on by a hippie girl, and called a "baby killer" at the airport when he arrived back in the United States. He has afterwards gotten terrible, terrible treatment from all these left-wing politicians that are now in power in New Hampshire, and it just makes me so, so mad.

Love it or leave it, bitch.

[Luke Smith]

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

The North is not a husband, and the South is not a wife. They are two areas of the USA, one of which decided to commit treason against the USA.

The fact is that the South had its opportunity to become its own nation, right at the beginning when the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were being drafted and signed by the various delegates from the various states. If, during that time, the South had decided to create its own convention instead of the main convention, and use that convention to become its own country, then that would have been fine. But what the South did instead is signed the documents from the main convention and then decided 70 years later that it didn't want to live by the documents it signed 70 years earlier. That just doesn't work, folks. Once the South signed the Constitution, it was part of One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. If the South wanted to be part of a different nation, then it shouldn't have signed. But when it signed and 70 years later tried to secede, then what it was doing was breaking apart the indivisible nation of the USA, which is treason.

cause you signed it...amiright?

I didn't sign jack shit mothafucka

either you leave others alone or sooner or later you'll get back in spades, what you propose to "dish-out"...

can't happen soon enough from where we stand...

You may not have signed it personally, but the state that you live in signed it, so therefore you have to abide by it, otherwise move to a different country.

[NHArticleTen]

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

The North is not a husband, and the South is not a wife. They are two areas of the USA, one of which decided to commit treason against the USA.

The fact is that the South had its opportunity to become its own nation, right at the beginning when the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were being drafted and signed by the various delegates from the various states. If, during that time, the South had decided to create its own convention instead of the main convention, and use that convention to become its own country, then that would have been fine. But what the South did instead is signed the documents from the main convention and then decided 70 years later that it didn't want to live by the documents it signed 70 years earlier. That just doesn't work, folks. Once the South signed the Constitution, it was part of One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. If the South wanted to be part of a different nation, then it shouldn't have signed. But when it signed and 70 years later tried to secede, then what it was doing was breaking apart the indivisible nation of the USA, which is treason.

cause you signed it...amiright?

I didn't sign jack shit mothafucka

either you leave others alone or sooner or later you'll get back in spades, what you propose to "dish-out"...

can't happen soon enough from where we stand...

You may not have signed it personally, but the state that you live in signed it, so therefore you have to abide by it, otherwise move to a different country.

cause all them there treaties that the states signed with the indians are still being observed...amiright?

why do you repeatedly attempt to create a contractual obligation where NONE exists?

you are a perfect specimen of the species more commonly known as looters...

you want others "gone" so badly...maybe you should buy them out...

instead, you'd rather employ others to push them around...

to beat them, to kidnap them, to murder them...

and it's all done in YOUR name...

NEVER in my name...

not on my watch...

go figure...

hmm...

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[JosiahWarren]

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

The North is not a husband, and the South is not a wife. They are two areas of the USA, one of which decided to commit treason against the USA.

The fact is that the South had its opportunity to become its own nation, right at the beginning when the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were being drafted and signed by the various delegates from the various states. If, during that time, the South had decided to create its own convention instead of the main convention, and use that convention to become its own country, then that would have been fine. But what the South did instead is signed the documents from the main convention and then decided 70 years later that it didn't want to live by the documents it signed 70 years earlier. That just doesn't work, folks. Once the South signed the Constitution, it was part of One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. If the South wanted to be part of a different nation, then it shouldn't have signed. But when it signed and 70 years later tried to secede, then what it was doing was breaking apart the indivisible nation of the USA, which is treason.

I believe that as many as three of the original states signing the constitution had explicit escape clauses to get out.

[TimeLady Victorious]

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

The North is not a husband, and the South is not a wife. They are two areas of the USA, one of which decided to commit treason against the USA.

The fact is that the South had its opportunity to become its own nation, right at the beginning when the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were being drafted and signed by the various delegates from the various states. If, during that time, the South had decided to create its own convention instead of the main convention, and use that convention to become its own country, then that would have been fine. But what the South did instead is signed the documents from the main convention and then decided 70 years later that it didn't want to live by the documents it signed 70 years earlier. That just doesn't work, folks. Once the South signed the Constitution, it was part of One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. If the South wanted to be part of a different nation, then it shouldn't have signed. But when it signed and 70 years later tried to secede, then what it was doing was breaking apart the indivisible nation of the USA, which is treason.

cause you signed it...amiright?

I didn't sign jack shit mothafucka

either you leave others alone or sooner or later you'll get back in spades, what you propose to "dish-out"...

can't happen soon enough from where we stand...

You may not have signed it personally, but the state that you live in signed it, so therefore you have to abide by it, otherwise move to a different country.

like hell

seems you don't like New Hampshire that much, or the USA - why don't you move?

[Mainer]

 Luke you another goverment troll...
 Look at the facts-
 Economy in shit, GDP just dropped another 6.1...
 We pretty much getting taxed half of our paycheck (if you include all the taxes you get when you go to the store by food and etc.)
 640 THOUSAND unemployed in US.
 This whole swine flu (by the way its actually swine/bird/human flu) which they wont close mexicam borders, but at the same time want to quaratine the entire country from every1 else (this is gonna be a huge blowback in toursim and lose of so much needed money to recover a tleast a bit)
 WHO (world health organization) raised alert level to 5, which means we having martial law on paper. Over a flu that killed like 165 mexicans...great... More people die from regular flu every year.
 And most important, people of united states dont have any control of what fed gov. does...They wanna go to war with Iraq/Iran/Pakistan they will go to work...Pass patriot act they will do it and they dont care what you do or think.
 Have you seen MIAC report? Have you read patriot act? Do you know exactly what feds doing with our tax money? Congress have to pass (or trying to pass) bill just to audit federal reserve (which is PRIVATE bank).
 Helloooooo? is anybody there? You getting fu*ed by bankers all day long everyday.
 SAY NO TO BANKER COCK!

[Dylboz]

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

The North is not a husband, and the South is not a wife. They are two areas of the USA, one of which decided to commit treason against the USA.

The fact is that the South had its opportunity to become its own nation, right at the beginning when the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were being drafted and signed by the various delegates from the various states. If, during that time, the South had decided to create its own convention instead of the main convention, and use that convention to become its own country, then that would have been fine. But what the South did instead is signed the documents from the main convention and then decided 70 years later that it didn't want to live by the documents it signed 70 years earlier. That just doesn't work, folks. Once the South signed the Constitution, it was part of One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. If the South wanted to be part of a different nation, then it shouldn't have signed. But when it signed and 70 years later tried to secede, then what it was doing was breaking apart the indivisible nation of the USA, which is treason.

cause you signed it...amiright?

I didn't sign jack shit mothafucka

either you leave others alone or sooner or later you'll get back in spades, what you propose to "dish-out"...

can't happen soon enough from where we stand...

You may not have signed it personally, but the state that you live in signed it, so therefore you have to abide by it, otherwise move to a different country.

The state signed something? How's that possible? You mean some men who called themselves the government of the state, well over 200 years ago, signed a document which nobody even pays attention to anymore. If it isn't even going to be binding to the people who call themselves the government of the state today, how on earth can it be binding upon me? Seems like you think the more vociferously you insist on something, the more true it becomes, but the truth is, the more you insist and make threats and accusations, the more obvious the lie becomes, and you and your position are revealed in all their stupendous absurdity.

Luke, you are an idiot. No matter how many times you repeat your line of bullshit, no one here will buy it. The fact that you seem to take it seriously is the most damning indictment against your intelligence and character anyone could make. You're a joke. A fool. You think that you are made powerful and important by your allegiance to this monstrous state? They'll use you up and spit you out too. The reality of your insignificance to Leviathan will smack you up side the head one day, I just hope that your fragile ego can withstand the crushing blow that realization will deal you.

[Luke Smith]

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

The North is not a husband, and the South is not a wife. They are two areas of the USA, one of which decided to commit treason against the USA.

The fact is that the South had its opportunity to become its own nation, right at the beginning when the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were being drafted and signed by the various delegates from the various states. If, during that time, the South had decided to create its own convention instead of the main convention, and use that convention to become its own country, then that would have been fine. But what the South did instead is signed the documents from the main convention and then decided 70 years later that it didn't want to live by the documents it signed 70 years earlier. That just doesn't work, folks. Once the South signed the Constitution, it was part of One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. If the South wanted to be part of a different nation, then it shouldn't have signed. But when it signed and 70 years later tried to secede, then what it was doing was breaking apart the indivisible nation of the USA, which is treason.

cause you signed it...amiright?

I didn't sign jack shit mothafucka

either you leave others alone or sooner or later you'll get back in spades, what you propose to "dish-out"...

can't happen soon enough from where we stand...

You may not have signed it personally, but the state that you live in signed it, so therefore you have to abide by it, otherwise move to a different country.

The state signed something? How's that possible? You mean some men who called themselves the government of the state, well over 200 years ago, signed a document which nobody even pays attention to anymore. If it isn't even going to be binding to the people who call themselves the government of the state today, how on earth can it be binding upon me? Seems like you think the more vociferously you insist on something, the more true it becomes, but the truth is, the more you insist and make threats and accusations, the more obvious the lie becomes, and you and your position are revealed in all their stupendous absurdity.

Luke, you are an idiot. No matter how many times you repeat your line of bullshit, no one here will buy it. The fact that you seem to take it seriously is the most damning indictment against your intelligence and character anyone could make. You're a joke. A fool. You think that you are made powerful and important by your allegiance to this monstrous state? They'll use you up and spit you out too. The reality of your insignificance to Leviathan will smack you up side the head one day, I just hope that your fragile ego can withstand the crushing blow that realization will deal you.

No Dylboz. I'm not trying to be powerful and important through allegiance to the state. Hell, my allegience isn't even to the state. It's to the nation. That's why I despise traitors and praise those who serve the nation. I could care less about the state. If the entire government were diselected tomorrow and an entirely new group of 30 million or however-many-there-are government officials were in their place I could care less. Might be nice if the new group weren't so far to the left, but that's not the big point. The big point is that we are a nation that is founded on the principles of rule by law and republicanism. Not lawlessness, anarchy, or anything like that. If you want to live in a lawless, anarchic society, then you need to move to a society that is lawless and anarchic like Somalia rather than trying to force the US or New Hampshire to become lawless and anarchic.