The Tax Resister Diet

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

There are many things that are very easy to grow, add a lot more aesthetic and olfactory benefits that the stupid American habit of growing and trimming useless grass everywhere, that you can hire others to plant / harvest / etc for you and still make a profit.

Well, that was depressing that the fella in Bayonet Point ended up in jail over his lawn. Makes me wonder what would have happened if I actually told that Pasco County 'Code Enforcement' douchenozzel Deputy Sheriff Gambino (not a joke, a fucking Gambino is one of this county's enforcers) to take his notices and shove 'em up his ass. As it was, I tried (patiently at first) to explain that his job as a Sheriff's Deputy was NOT to work for the Homeowner's Association as well as trying to educate him on the concept of Private Property.

[Cynthia]

whoever started this thread.. you seem to be a victim of politically correct nutrition. You really should read some research, actual science behind what kinds of food you need. Animal fats are a good thing, as are many other things that the trendy nutritionists have eschewed. Here is a great website to get some info. http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/index.html#guidelines

[Diogenes The Cynic]

whoever started this thread.. you seem to be a victim of politically correct nutrition. You really should read some research, actual science behind what kinds of food you need. Animal fats are a good thing, as are many other things that the trendy nutritionists have eschewed. Here is a great website to get some info. http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/index.html#guidelines

I agree. Its never a good idea to eat transistors, or get others to do so.

[AL the Inconspicuous]

whoever started this thread.. you seem to be a victim of politically correct nutrition.

I find it laughably ironic that you would describe a diet the primary purpose of which is to support the underground economy of tax resistance activists as "politically correct"! 

Furthermore, this is very different from the diet that the government is promoting, and in fact I blame the "health" education I received in government school for my falling into the "high protein diet" trap that has contributed to my obesity, and I credit a plant-centric diet with my recent improvements.  If you want to know what nutrition the government thinks is correct for everyone, look at what it's subsidizing: corn sugar, meat, and milk!  The government wants everyone to be fat, lazy, and apathetic to the tyranny around them!  The only reason why anyone would associate veganism with "political correctness" is the so-called "animal rights" hysteria that in reality is only intended to repress humans, which I am most clearly against.

You really should read some research, actual science behind what kinds of food you need.  Animal fats are a good thing, as are many other things that the trendy nutritionists have eschewed.  Here is a great website to get some info. http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/index.html#guidelines

You can find some good in anything, but the fat cells of another animal have far more negative health effects than positive ones, especially if, like me, you have a family history of heart disease.  The best sterols are the ones the human body manufactures itself for its own use, not those of a sickly corn-stuffed cow (and with the government's near-total monopoly over meat certification, it is very difficult to tell where any piece of meat came from).  Vitamin B12 doesn't originate in animals, it originates from bacteria which can be taken in more direct form as supplements (and that bacteria can be found on plants as well, depending on how well they are washed). 

I do agree with that site on a few points, however: overblown alarmism against salt, and all points listed on their Dietary Dangers page to varying degree of significance (except of course #8).

And I'd also like to remind you that this isn't a "healthiest diet in the world" thread, this is a "how to optimize untaxed food production in New Hampshire" thread.  Growing plants to feed to food animals just isn't economical, and attracts far too many gov regulations.

[Bill Brasky]

Growing plants to feed to food animals just isn't economical, and attracts far too many gov regulations.

Yeah.  The people I know who hay are under a constant barrage of government regulation.  They had to get a bigger mailbox to handle all the cease-and-desist orders.  

And the tractor, my god!  It uses, gosh, two-three gallons per acre to harvest all that hay.  The 300 lbs of meat on that cow hardly seems worth the effort, when I could grow a big tasty rutabaga.  

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Yeah.  The people I know who hay are under a constant barrage of government regulation. They had to get a bigger mailbox to handle all the cease-and-desist orders.

A slave who obeys his master knows not of the whip.

And the tractor, my god!  It uses, gosh, two-three gallons per acre to harvest all that hay. The 300 lbs of meat on that cow hardly seems worth the effort, when I could grow a big tasty rutabaga.

Yes, and rutabaga (a cross between the cabbage and the turnip) is quite tasty, moderately nutritious, grows well in NH's climate, and yields around 10 tons per acre [PDF].  Added to my table - that's about 3.2 million calories per acre with 13.44% calories from protein (and I think those numbers only include the root, while the greens are also edible).  Of course there are other things you could grow if you wanted more total calories and/or more protein, and if you could grow year-round greenhouses filled with hemp (18% protein in the seeds) you could reach 50 million calories per acre and beyond!

Or, if Massa Government allows, you can sustain one grass-fed cow on that acre (two if you're very lucky, but they'll be skinny cows), and it's a lot of work to keep animals through winter, to milk them 2-3 times per day, not being able to leave your house (ex. to do civil disobedience) lest your cows go unmilked, supply their drinking water every single day, shovel their shit, etc, etc, etc.  What do you get for your efforts?  I'd say about 3 million milk calories per cow per year ONCE they are at their peak, or LESS if you don't use the harmful hormones.  And, though about 21% of calories in raw milk come from protein, about 49% come from fat!  And the sugars it contains hardly give you any real energy.  Hope you aren't lactose intolerant!  And meat - forgetaboutit, those 300 lb of beef per cow is only 0.32 million artery-clogging calories, and you can only eat her once.

[Bill Brasky]

Theres more to food than calorie content.  Some things you just like eating. 

And to be honest, I very much doubt you could harvest ten tons of rutabaga from one acre.  I know what an acre looks like, and I know what a rutabaga looks like, and I know what a ten ton pile of stone looks like.  A ten ton pile of rutabaga would be larger than a ten ton pile of stone because of density of the material.  I doubt you could get that out of an acre, even with perfect planting.  Probably less than half that.  You're probably going by the square footage of one plant.  You're forgetting rows split the land by more than half.   

[anarchir]

I didnt read this entire page but I want to agree with Drifter & Libman in that there are certain things you would want to get going immediately that arent too difficult. I would include planting trees, starting raising chickens and pigs, and planting simple crops that dont need to be attended to much (corn and tomatoes spring to mind).  I also think that you should get your hands on some metal fence stakes while they are still easily available in stores. Building wooden fences to keep in/out creatures seems like it would be a total pain to me. Also barbed wire.

[AL the Inconspicuous]

(Sorry I took so long to edit and add to my previous post - wanted to re-RTFM some reference materials to make sure I got the numbers right.)

Theres more to food than calorie content.  Some things you just like eating.

I'm looking forward to discussing that - on the "Brasky's Government-Loving Eat-Whatever-Tastes-Good Diet" thread. 

And to be honest, I very much doubt you could harvest ten tons of rutabaga from one acre.  [...]

Yes, that's an estimate for a good yield - you could do less, but then again your cows can get sick on you as well.  So it goes...

And, as much as I love to give every conspiracy theory I come across a fair shake, I just don't think the North Dakota State University can fudge those numbers by much without all the rutabaga farmers from Alaska to Finland taking notice. 

[Bill Brasky]

(Sorry I took so long to edit and add to my previous post - wanted to re-RTFM some reference materials to make sure I got the numbers right.)

Theres more to food than calorie content.  Some things you just like eating.

I'm looking forward to discussing that - on the "Brasky's Government-Loving Eat-Whatever-Tastes-Good Diet" thread. 

Spin much?  Subsidy subsidy!!  Tell you what.  You catch me growing food on subsidy of any kind, and I'll fuckin' blow ya.  Okay?

[TimeLady Victorious]

Libman, have you ever considered square foot farming?

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Square-Foot-Intensive-738/square-foot-farming.htm

http://journeytoforever.org/garden_sqft.html

http://www.markhamfarm.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=25

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Spin much?  Subsidy subsidy!!  Tell you what.  You catch me growing food on subsidy of any kind, and  [...]

The government is bidirectionally evil: it's evil when it tries to help you at someone else's expense, and it's also evil when it taxes and regulates you.  If you don't accept any subsidies on meat production, that only addresses half of the problem.  Growing cows outside New Hampshire has a far greater per-meal taxation footprint than growing hemp in NH (outside any municipalities of course).

I'll fuckin' blow ya.  Okay?

No thank you.  Finding old farts who want to blow me is the easiest thing in the world, but I'm just not into that sorta thing.  Sorry.

Libman, have you ever considered square foot farming?

No, see, I'm only pretending to know anything about anything.   

Sounds very interesting though - I'll RTFM about it tomorrow, err, I mean after I sleep through most of today.  (I wonder where my night went?)

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Where's the Meat Porn thread when you need it?

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Where's the Meat Porn thread when you need it?

Obviously it isn't this thread.  Did all your cognitive dissonance from having to support Israeli tyranny rot your brain to the point where you can't even search?  Or was it all the hormones in your cow pus?  OK, fine, here's a linkie to MEAT PORN <<< CLICK HERE WITH YOUR MOUSIE >>>.  Enjoy your artery-clogging commie slave-food, I've got Freedom Beans to soak!  

[Bill Brasky]

Spin much?  Subsidy subsidy!!  Tell you what.  You catch me growing food on subsidy of any kind, and  [...]

The government is bidirectionally evil: it's evil when it tries to help you at someone else's expense, and it's also evil when it taxes and regulates you.  If you don't accept any subsidies on meat production, that only addresses half of the problem.  Growing cows outside New Hampshire has a far greater per-meal taxation footprint than growing hemp in NH (outside any municipalities of course).

I'll fuckin' blow ya.  Okay?

No thank you.  Finding old farts who want to blow me is the easiest thing in the world, but I'm just not into that sorta thing.  Sorry.

Well, I figured since you were being so fuckin' gay and all, about what people do on their own. 

By the end of the first week you'd be flat on your back in a 10ft² patch of perfect black soil, staring up at the sky like Sonny Liston.