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Title: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 01, 2009, 09:23:39 PM
I've gone "vegan" before (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=21634.0), but this time I'm serious.  Two months into it I'm feeling pretty good, but what I'm doing is more than just a "vegan" diet, and since most "vegans" are complete brain-dead idiots I'd like to distance myself from them as much as possible.  In case I ever decide to write a diet book and need a catchy name, I shall call it...  The Tax Resister Diet!


(http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/gm07autumn/images/pyramid.jpg) (http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/gm07autumn/health_pork.html)


Here are the dietary rules that I follow:







Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 01, 2009, 10:03:20 PM
What's your stance on dumpster diving for food?

I used to do it when there was a supermarket that did this within a couple miles of me and I was with two partners. Tasty food aplenty!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 01, 2009, 10:11:37 PM
I sometimes say "there's no such thing as a stupid question", so, well...  here's the answer...

My "stance on dumpster diving for food"  ...  :|  ... is very negative for a whole list of very obvious reasons: both short-term and long-term health risks, possible violations of property rights, economic unsustainability, and giving people a very negative image of what Free Staters are all about.

The point of this diet is to improve one's health while pursuing economic secession from the government, not parasitic impoverishment!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 01, 2009, 10:40:22 PM
Theres a couple of locally-known organic beef and poultry ranchers who produce some nice cuts, and I don't think they strive to keep a real accurate official headcount of their livestock, for obvious reasons.  I have no issues with supporting them.  I like meat.  I wish I could get their stuff more often. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on December 01, 2009, 10:51:09 PM
There is nothing worse than a "new vegan".
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 02, 2009, 12:14:18 AM
There is nothing worse than a "new vegan".

Lots of broccoli farts until they adjust?

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 02, 2009, 12:32:04 AM
I sometimes say "there's no such thing as a stupid question", so, well...  here's the answer...

My "stance on dumpster diving for food"  ...  :|  ... is very negative for a whole list of very obvious reasons: both short-term and long-term health risks, possible violations of property rights, economic unsustainability, and giving people a very negative image of what Free Staters are all about.

The point of this diet is to improve one's health while pursuing economic secession from the government, not parasitic impoverishment!


"To steal from a brother or sister is evil. To not steal from the institutions that are the pillars of the Pig Empire is equally immoral." - Abbie Hoffmann
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 12:51:53 AM
Abbie Hoffmann was a drugtarded commie retard.  :x

... but bringing him up made me realize yet another advantage of this diet - if it is well known that you are careful about what you put in your body, it would be more difficult for Them to "suicide" you via an overdose.


Any more stupidity from Taimu Raidiu  and this thread will be moved to Hijack Free Zone.

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on December 02, 2009, 12:53:40 AM
Yeah Abbie Hoffman was a thief. Steal This Book? Ruining peoples lives.

I work at a restaurant, and if we tossed it into the dumpster, you dont want it.  Why would you eat out of something that spoiled meat and fish regularly go into? The bacteria must be horrible.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 02, 2009, 01:00:50 AM
Abbie Hoffmann was a drugtarded commie retard.  :x

... but bringing him up made me realize yet another advantage of this diet - if it is well known that you are careful about what you put in your body, it would be more difficult for Them to "suicide" you via an overdose.


Any more stupidity from Taimu Raidiu  and this thread will be moved to Hijack Free Zone.



angry, much?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 01:09:20 AM
[...]  Why would you eat out of something that spoiled meat and fish regularly go into?  [...]

Socialist medicine?   :lol:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 02, 2009, 01:18:15 AM
[...]  Why would you eat out of something that spoiled meat and fish regularly go into?  [...]

Socialist medicine?   :lol:

actually not bad if you go for the sealed containers and for recent dumps.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on December 02, 2009, 01:41:33 AM
What's your stance on dumpster diving for food?

I used to do it when there was a supermarket that did this within a couple miles of me and I was with two partners. Tasty food aplenty!

You used to have 2 partners? Dang girl, you have energy.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on December 02, 2009, 01:54:14 AM
[...]  Why would you eat out of something that spoiled meat and fish regularly go into?  [...]

Socialist medicine?   :lol:

actually not bad if you go for the sealed containers and for recent dumps.

I have never thrown anything that was in a "sealed container" into the dumpster.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 02, 2009, 02:21:22 AM
Also, fish.  Fish is good.  I like fish.  

First person to say anything about mercury gets autobann'd.  Heavy Metal Toxic Fish would be a stupid name for a band, let alone a sound theory.  People would have to eat fish morning, noon and night for any considerable levels to accumulate, and they'd have to be high up the fish-chain.  Omega-3 is important.  It improves brain function, and keeps the frowny-faces away.  

People in New England reap great income from the harvest of fish, and often do so privately, without subsidy.  They are known to be stalwart tax resistors, plying their wares for cash at the docks, telling Uncle Sam to kiss their salty asses, pumping lewdly from the hips in mock fornication.  They actually do this, and it is to be greatly admired.  
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on December 02, 2009, 02:25:57 AM
Also, fish.  Fish is good.  I like fish.  

First person to say anything about mercury gets autobann'd.  Heavy Metal Toxic Fish would be a stupid name for a band, let alone a sound theory.  People would have to eat fish morning, noon and night for any considerable levels to accumulate, and they'd have to be high up the fish-chain.  Omega-3 is important.  It improves brain function, and keeps the frowny-faces away.  

People in New England reap great income from the harvest of fish, and often do so privately, without subsidy.  They are known to be stalwart tax resistors, plying their wares for cash at the docks, telling Uncle Sam to kiss their salty asses, pumping lewdly from the hips in mock fornication.  They actually do this, and it is to be greatly admired.  

Well canning foods in third world countries that do a lot of the tuna trade does add impurities.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Terror Australis on December 02, 2009, 02:30:04 AM
I empty garbage bins for a living.People are disgusting pigs when they don't have to clean up after themselves.Luckily I havent found any bodies yet. 8).
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 02, 2009, 02:56:51 AM
Also, fish.  Fish is good.  I like fish.  

First person to say anything about mercury gets autobann'd.  Heavy Metal Toxic Fish would be a stupid name for a band, let alone a sound theory.  People would have to eat fish morning, noon and night for any considerable levels to accumulate, and they'd have to be high up the fish-chain.  Omega-3 is important.  It improves brain function, and keeps the frowny-faces away.  

People in New England reap great income from the harvest of fish, and often do so privately, without subsidy.  They are known to be stalwart tax resistors, plying their wares for cash at the docks, telling Uncle Sam to kiss their salty asses, pumping lewdly from the hips in mock fornication.  They actually do this, and it is to be greatly admired.  

Well canning foods in third world countries that do a lot of the tuna trade does add impurities.

I don't eat tuna.  Tuna is fuckin' gross.  And people who eat tuna hoagies in the workplace should realize they stink ten times worse than smokers.  So the next time you tuna-eaters complain about people stinking of cigarettes, go brush your fuckin' teeth for an hour with Pine-Sol, and then take the rest of the day off sick, you fish-reek tunamouth motherfuckers. 

Also, I've never seen a fisherman bring a load of canned tuna to the docks, fresh from the sea.  They usually bring cod, or haddock.  You know, fish that people eat without rolling around in it like a dog. 

But yeah, I can imagine you'd get impurities, or fatally fucking ill, if you eat foods canned in third world countries that cost fifty-nine cents after you ship them nine thousand miles.   
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: NHArticleTen on December 02, 2009, 10:46:36 AM
Abbie Hoffmann was a drugtarded commie retard.  :x

... but bringing him up made me realize yet another advantage of this diet - if it is well known that you are careful about what you put in your body, it would be more difficult for Them to "suicide" you via an overdose.


Any more stupidity from Taimu Raidiu  and this thread will be moved to Hijack Free Zone.



THIS...

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Also, fish.  Fish is good.  I like fish. 

First person to say anything about mercury gets autobann'd.  Heavy Metal Toxic Fish would be a stupid name for a band, let alone a sound theory.  People would have to eat fish morning, noon and night for any considerable levels to accumulate, and they'd have to be high up the fish-chain.  Omega-3 is important.  It improves brain function, and keeps the frowny-faces away. 

People in New England reap great income from the harvest of fish, and often do so privately, without subsidy.  They are known to be stalwart tax resistors, plying their wares for cash at the docks, telling Uncle Sam to kiss their salty asses, pumping lewdly from the hips in mock fornication.  They actually do this, and it is to be greatly admired. 

Enjoy!

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Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 12:56:03 PM
Also, fish.  Fish is good.  I like fish. 

First person to say anything about mercury gets autobann'd.  Heavy Metal Toxic Fish would be a stupid name for a band, let alone a sound theory.  People would have to eat fish morning, noon and night for any considerable levels to accumulate, and they'd have to be high up the fish-chain.  Omega-3 is important.  It improves brain function, and keeps the frowny-faces away. 

People in New England reap great income from the harvest of fish, and often do so privately, without subsidy.  They are known to be stalwart tax resistors, plying their wares for cash at the docks, telling Uncle Sam to kiss their salty asses, pumping lewdly from the hips in mock fornication.  They actually do this, and it is to be greatly admired. 

According to the dietary philosophy described in this thread, the top 3 reasons not to eat fish are: taxes, subsidies, and regulations - from your basic hobbyist fishing license to government management of commercial fishing to regulation of fish farms (or "sea kittens", as the PETA-tards lobby wants to call them).  Your claims of fishermen being tax resisters in any significant qualities seem ridiculous.  Ocean shores are filled with government-loving assholes with a hard-on for snitching on you for not having your boat registered, etc - that's no place to build a Galt's Gulch!

I agree that at first glance fish seems to make a whole lot more nutritional and economic sense than land-animal-based food, but some of those advantages don't stand up to scrutiny.  Proximity to bodies of water raises demand for that land, and thus its cost, especially though higher taxes - you would get a far better return on your investment by investing your money into cheap land in the middle of nowhere (but with enough hydration for irrigation of course), and investing your time into improving & farming it.  And even from the "stretching earth's resources to feed hundreds of billions of people" point of view, there are many other ways water resources can be used for food production: seaweed farming, floating farms, and so on.

It's just a simple fact of biology that plants, which get their nutrients directly from sources inedible to us (i.e. soil and sunlight), are far more economical sources of nutrition than animals, which must eat far greater quantities of plants and/or other animals in order to grow.  Filtering your nutrients through other animals has no benefits, and a whole list of drawbacks (some of which you asked me not to mention, so I won't).

Fish is also less healthy than plant-based foods: it's acidic, contains cholesterol (especially shellfish), etc.  You get far better omega-3 and other healthy fats from plant foods - in large quantities from things like avocados, olives, nuts, and seeds (especially hemp), or in small quantities in pretty much all vegetables and grains (except the processed / "junk carbs" mentioned above).

Acidic foods are mutually-addictive: you have a little bit of fish and you start craving a cola, you have a cola and you start craving a hamburger, etc.  If you quit them completely, after a while those cravings go away, and your body also gradually adjusts to not getting any acid / poison / cholesterol in your diet, which results in a far healthier cardiovascular system that only long-term alkaline vegans typically have.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on December 02, 2009, 02:02:36 PM
I've never liked fish/sea food.


You should eat bugs.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
You should eat bugs.

Um, why?   :?

Insects have huge amounts of cholesterol and other toxins, are very costly to "harvest", and have hardly any nutritional benefits to speak of.

Plus in an environment controlled by human beings for human benefit, you can weed out the "bad bugs" and replace them with "good bugs" that enrich your soil, pollinate your crops, and so on.  Those "good bugs" are worth more when they're alive, because they result in greater crop yields.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on December 02, 2009, 02:37:38 PM

Insects have huge amounts of cholesterol and other toxins, are very costly to "harvest", and have hardly any nutritional benefits to speak of.
WAT

http://www.food-insects.com/Insects%20as%20Human%20Food.htm
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 02:56:18 PM
OK, so you can have an insect farm and feed it stuff humans normally wouldn't eat, but, um, WHY?!

My nice green salad and fried buckwheat with mushrooms tasted just fine without any crawly things in them, thank you very much.  Plus don't you think them socialist assholes would trip over each-other on the way to the legislature to enact regulations against "them dirty cockroach-eating hakuna matata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakuna_matata) free-stater hippies spreading diseases and whatnot"!?  But they can't outlaw growing plants!  Oh, shi-  :lol:

Anyways, my points about cholesterol, toxicity, and acidity still stand.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: One two three on December 02, 2009, 03:06:04 PM
Insects have huge amounts of cholesterol and other toxins, are very costly to "harvest", and have hardly any nutritional benefits to speak of.

Ants are the easiest thing in the world to harvest.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 03:26:36 PM
Somehow I doubt that - maybe because I can't imagine waking up with cabbages crawling inside my butt!  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

And you're forgetting that insects also need to be cleaned.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick026.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Eating a whole ant is not much different than eating any other animal: exoskeleton, guts, and so on.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick007.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

And how do you ask an ant to poop itself empty so you don't swallow its shi'ite?  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick015.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: One two three on December 02, 2009, 03:53:20 PM
You're forgetting that insects also need to be cleaned.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick026.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Eating a whole ant is not much different than eating any other animal: exoskeleton, guts, and so on.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick007.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

And how do you ask an ant to poop itself empty so you don't swallow its shi'ite?  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick015.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)



I suggest cooking it.  Have you hard sardines?  They are extremely healthy.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
Healthy compared to what?  A hamburger - definitely.  A vegetable salad - I don't think so.

To get a meal's worth of protein (30g) from sardines (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=130g+sardines) you're also getting 14g fat (3g saturated), 132mg of cholesterol, and a whole lot of other things our mod overlord hath commanded me to speak of not!

Plus sardines usually have their inner organs removed and are thoroughly washed prior to cooking / canning - good luck doing that to each individual bug. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 02, 2009, 05:03:08 PM
You know, you could always try to poach fish.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: libertylover on December 02, 2009, 06:31:23 PM
What's your stance on dumpster diving for food?
I used to do it when there was a supermarket that did this within a couple miles of me and I was with two partners. Tasty food aplenty!



So you dabbled as a freegan.  http://freegan.info/?page_id=2 (http://freegan.info/?page_id=2)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: One two three on December 02, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
Healthy compared to what?  A hamburger - definitely.  A vegetable salad - I don't think so.

To get a meal's worth of protein (30g) from sardines (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=130g+sardines) you're also getting 14g fat (3g saturated), 132mg of cholesterol, and a whole lot of other things our mod overlord hath commanded me to speak of not!

Plus sardines usually have their inner organs removed and are thoroughly washed prior to cooking / canning - good luck doing that to each individual bug. 


That is 14 grams of healthy fat that is excellent for you.  It is the most healthy thing about sardines.  The massive amount of calcium and complete protein are also very healthy for you.  YOU!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Harry Tuttle on December 02, 2009, 06:53:38 PM
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What is a Freegan?

Freegans are people who employ alternative strategies for living based on limited participation in the conventional economy and minimal consumption of resources. Freegans embrace community, generosity, social concern, freedom, cooperation, and sharing in opposition to a society based on materialism, moral apathy, competition, conformity, and greed.

Ewww.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on December 02, 2009, 07:01:18 PM
lol Freegans:


Strategy:


Dumpster Driving! - The best, easiest way to get the most food. Just head to your local grocery store, produce store, bagel and donut shop, bakery, K-mart (expired shelf goodies), and open up the dumpster and take a look. Don’t be afraid to climb in and dig around! Have fun, go with your friends! If you just find a big, scary compactor behind the store (a bunch of big supermarkets have these) you can’t get in, but you can fight back. Start a local DLF (Dumpster Liberation Front!) and stick it to those compactors: superglue them so they don’t work or hit them a bat or pee on them or pain them up; have fun - compactors are the enemy. P.S. Food is not the only thing in dumpsters! Happy scavenging!


Give-Aways! - A lot of small, independent places and even some bigger stores will give you food they are about to throw out if you just ask them for it. Also, free lunches and soup kitchens! Make sure you aren’t taking food from someone who really needs it if you don’t but most places have a lot of extra to go around. If you can get government food or food stamps, go for it! Go to Food Not Bombs and help out, then take some extra soup and bagels for the road… Just don’t be afraid to ask and the food will come to you.


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Water - Don’t shower often and when you do, instead of showering, “go swimming” in the shower with a friend - it is fun, explorative, liberating, and consumes less water! Don’t flush when you pee! If won’t hurt you, pee just sits in the toilet not bothering anyone; it doesn’t warrant the 10 gallons per flush just to get rid of it. Wait until you get a good healthy poop in there and then flush it all away. If you don’t like the smell of pee stagnating in the toilet, pee outside our dilute your urine (7 water to 1 pee) and fertilize with it or drink it (Gandhi drank a cup of his own pee every day). Also, you can make manure out of your own poop! Or… dumpster dive some adult diapers and have a party where everyone straps one on and fills it up -no water wasted.

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 02, 2009, 07:12:57 PM
Jesus, flushing costs 10 gallons at a time?

Also, a compost pile can actually benefit from pissing on it. (Related to a tax resister diet: grow your own food and you won't have to pay any taxes on it)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 07:13:33 PM
Can you please move the freegantardedness to another thread, please?


That is 14 grams of healthy fat that is excellent for you.  It is the most healthy thing about sardines.
The massive amount of calcium and complete protein are also very healthy for you.  YOU!

Animal fat is not healthy - it can only begin to approach the health benefits of natural oils that originate from plants, and it stores lots of toxins, sterols, and other nasty artery-clogging stuff.  Counting calorie-for-calorie, cooked collard greens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collard_greens) have more than 3x the calcium of sardines, plus far more fiber, vitamins (A, C, E, B6), and many other micro-nutrients, including antioxidants - and it will certainly fill you up better, and give you far more lasting energy.

That whole "complete protein" FUD is greatly overblown.  It is most associated with poor people who eat nothing but one staple crop they were lucky enough to have in a time of famine.  Even a sprinkle of soy sauce could have cured that problem, and for a person who eats a balanced diet of many different high-protein legumes, vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, spices, etc this just isn't an issue.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on December 02, 2009, 08:10:30 PM
Animal fat is not healthy
It's only "not healthy" in excess. Small amounts won't hurt you.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: libertylover on December 02, 2009, 08:12:23 PM
Can you please move the freegantardedness to another thread, please?

Well wouldn't that kind of end this thread?  

You never know the economy might get so bad people will start dumpster diving for food out of necessity.   Besides found food is also tax free isn't it.  
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on December 02, 2009, 08:23:13 PM
Can you please move the freegantardedness to another thread, please?
Besides found food is also tax free isn't it.  

Wait.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 08:27:52 PM
It's only "not healthy" in excess. Small amounts won't hurt you.

That can be said of anything, including arsenic, but I wouldn't put it on my plate on purpose, especially knowing how bad I am at portion control...  I can eat pounds of meat in one meal!  If I follow this diet, on the other hand, there's just no way I can eat too much!


[...]  You never know the economy might get so bad people will start dumpster diving for food out of necessity.

Dumpster-diving only works when like 1 person in 10,000 does it, while everyone else is complacent, and it only appears to work until you're hospitalized a week later with worms and ten kinds of food poisoning.  A lot more people bullshit about it than actually do it.  If the economy gets worse, however, people will start being less wasteful, and the bums will be having knife-fights for access rights to every dumpster.  :lol:

If you can grow your own food in the middle of nowhere, on the other hand, you're gonna be a-OK, no matter how bad the economy gets.  People who've hoarded gold and silver will be selling it to you at mind-blowing losses (your gain)!  Hot college girls will be trading you amazing sex for just a couple loaves of home-baked bread...  :P


Besides found food is also tax free isn't it. 

That's not true - many people who'll see you do it will think "wow, times are really tough, I'll vote for higher taxes and more welfare next time", and some will think "we need more police guarding dumpsters and arresting bums in this town"...  you get the idea.  And when someone finds you passed out with a gallon of puke on your face, who's going to pay for rushing you to the hospital, having your stomach pumped, and/or burying you?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on December 02, 2009, 08:49:10 PM
OK, so you can have an insect farm and feed it stuff humans normally wouldn't eat, but, um, WHY?!
You can stop taking the vitamin pills. Or do you have black market tax resister pills?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A476859
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Insects are on a par with shellfish in providing high-quality protein and are a good source of other nutrients such as iron, calcium and B vitamins.

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Insects have the advantage of being cheap and easy to raise. Those diners in the know suggest starting off with mealworms and working your way up to crickets, which apparently are very difficult to muster if they escape.

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If you're willing to put your prejudices aside, there can be plenty of variety in insect-eating. Earthworms are 70% protein and soaking them in water overnight will purge them of soil. Ants have a vinegary taste; in countries such as Thailand ant juice is sometimes substituted for recipes that call for lemon. Honey bees, a worldwide favourite, are edible at all stages of growth, larval, pupal and adult. Boiling breaks down the poison in their stingers. Moths are said to taste like almonds and have the advantage of being easy to catch with a bright light. Termites are second only to grasshoppers as the most commonly eaten insect and in Nigeria you can buy termite stock cubes. Fly larvae - or maggots - are rich in calories and protein. Scoop them off decomposed meat, wash in cold water, boil and they're ready to eat. 'In the natural, they are easy to capture and often found in clusters in such places as road kill,' advises one source. Crickets can be an excellent and healthy alternative to meat. 100g of crickets contains 12g of protein and only 5.5g of fat.

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Insects taste best if cooked or frozen when alive. Freezing has the advantage of slowing down the more lively ones. Insects with a hard outer shell have parasites and need to be boiled before eating. Larvae are easier to eat than adult insects: particularly as not everyone is happy to remove an exoskeleton from between their teeth. Insects such as crickets concentrate toxins in their bodies, so should not be picked where pesticides have been used. Pet shops are a good source of insect supply and it doesn't require much space to raise your own micro-livestock.




Crickets and worms. You can also sell them as bait if you are farming them.

With Honey bees, you can sell honey.

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Anyways, my points about cholesterol, toxicity, and acidity still stand.
Don't eat cholesterol filled, toxic bugs. I've never been big on the acidity thing.

http://www.food-insects.com/Vol3%20no1.htm
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What about insects as a part of the human diet?  Since they are animals, do their tissues also contain cholesterol?  Insects are very interesting, in that they too need sterols for the biosynethesis of membranes and as precursors to hormones (.e.g., the ecdysteroids), but they are unable to synthesize them  de novo. (4).  Therefore, they must obtain these molecules exogenously, from their diet or from symbionts.  Those insects that feed on animal products (e.g., the hide beetle, Demestes vulpinus [5]) can easily obtain cholesterol from their diet and so bee, Apis mellifera (7).  The latter insect has avoided the necessity of producing 24-desalkylsterols in order to biosynthesize ecdysteroids.  It simply uses makisterone A (an alkylated ecdysteroid) as its molting hormone!

In addition, studies in my laboratory have shown that replacing the Δ5-sterols in the diet of the corn earworm, Heliothis zea with delta 7-, delta 5,7-, or delta O-sterols results in an insect that contains little, if any, cholesterol (8,9).  This lepidopteran dealkylates the new dietary sterols but does not hydrogenate the double bonds or introduce new ones.  The structures of the resulting tissue sterols render them unabsorbable by the normal human digestive tract.  Therefore, if one was interested in producing insects, such as A. domesticus, with a low cholesterol level, one might try feeding them, for example, a diet rich in alfalfa sterols (i.e., Δ7-sterols).  Perhaps they, like H. zea (10), would utilize the Δ7-sterols predominately in their tissues.  The alfalfa weevil, Hypera  postica,  which is a pest of alfalfa, uses Δ7-sterols and routinely lacks cholesterol in its tissues (10).  Other insects, which naturally feed on diets that contain sterols other than Δ5-sterols, and do not contain cholesterol in their tissues, include the fly, Drosophila pachea  (11), and the leaf-cutting ant, Atta cephalotes  isthmicola (12).
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on December 02, 2009, 08:50:47 PM
It's only "not healthy" in excess. Small amounts won't hurt you.

That can be said of anything, including arsenic, but I wouldn't put it on my plate on purpose, especially knowing how bad I am at portion control...  I can eat pounds of meat in one meal!  If I follow this diet, on the other hand, there's just no way I can eat too much!
You probably wouldn't have to worry about eating too many bugs.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 09:13:57 PM
You'd be surprised...  This calls for a YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0teqF2cBXhE):

[youtube=425,350]0teqF2cBXhE[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 02, 2009, 10:08:41 PM
Also, fish.  Fish is good.  I like fish. 

First person to say anything about mercury gets autobann'd.  Heavy Metal Toxic Fish would be a stupid name for a band, let alone a sound theory.  People would have to eat fish morning, noon and night for any considerable levels to accumulate, and they'd have to be high up the fish-chain.  Omega-3 is important.  It improves brain function, and keeps the frowny-faces away. 

People in New England reap great income from the harvest of fish, and often do so privately, without subsidy.  They are known to be stalwart tax resistors, plying their wares for cash at the docks, telling Uncle Sam to kiss their salty asses, pumping lewdly from the hips in mock fornication.  They actually do this, and it is to be greatly admired. 

According to the dietary philosophy described in this thread, the top 3 reasons not to eat fish are: taxes, subsidies, and regulations - from your basic hobbyist fishing license to government management of commercial fishing to regulation of fish farms (or "sea kittens", as the PETA-tards lobby wants to call them).  Your claims of fishermen being tax resisters in any significant qualities seem ridiculous.  Ocean shores are filled with government-loving assholes with a hard-on for snitching on you for not having your boat registered, etc - that's no place to build a Galt's Gulch!

I agree that at first glance fish seems to make a whole lot more nutritional and economic sense than land-animal-based food, but some of those advantages don't stand up to scrutiny.  Proximity to bodies of water raises demand for that land, and thus its cost, especially though higher taxes - you would get a far better return on your investment by investing your money into cheap land in the middle of nowhere (but with enough hydration for irrigation of course), and investing your time into improving & farming it.  And even from the "stretching earth's resources to feed hundreds of billions of people" point of view, there are many other ways water resources can be used for food production: seaweed farming, floating farms, and so on.

It's just a simple fact of biology that plants, which get their nutrients directly from sources inedible to us (i.e. soil and sunlight), are far more economical sources of nutrition than animals, which must eat far greater quantities of plants and/or other animals in order to grow.  Filtering your nutrients through other animals has no benefits, and a whole list of drawbacks (some of which you asked me not to mention, so I won't).

Fish is also less healthy than plant-based foods: it's acidic, contains cholesterol (especially shellfish), etc.  You get far better omega-3 and other healthy fats from plant foods - in large quantities from things like avocados, olives, nuts, and seeds (especially hemp), or in small quantities in pretty much all vegetables and grains (except the processed / "junk carbs" mentioned above).

Acidic foods are mutually-addictive: you have a little bit of fish and you start craving a cola, you have a cola and you start craving a hamburger, etc.  If you quit them completely, after a while those cravings go away, and your body also gradually adjusts to not getting any acid / poison / cholesterol in your diet, which results in a far healthier cardiovascular system that only long-term alkaline vegans typically have.


Hey, Cap'n Joe, how many fish you catch today? 

MMM, none, Mr. IRS agent. 

The illicit seafood trade has been a boon for underground finance for years, one of the first places the mafia involved themselves in.  The Fulton Street market in NYC begins directly at the South Street Seaport.  There has been much bloodshed over control of this district, which ultimately was seized under RICO statutes.  Ask yourself why.  Smuggling is one obvious reason, and drugs is a large part of that.  But the mafia had a strict self-imposed prohibition of drug activity until the younger gangsters took over from the old Dons.  So there was no drug activity involved until the mid-sixties, probably.  So why the big fuss?  It was the fish trade itself, moreso than smuggling.  The incoming quantity is unknown until weighed, and unless government agents are standing there directly observing each load, they will be reported underweighed, or some loads may not be weighed at all. 

This practice is not exclusive to Fulton, or the mob.  Its a common practice in the fishing industry, and considered highly corrupt by the government because they do not report accurately, ever.  Unless they absolutely have to.  Its probably the oldest and largest tax-dodge in American history, all the way down each mile of the east coast from Maine to Florida, and straight around the Gulf through MS LA and TX, plus all the west coast states.  Fish goes straight to market, and ends up in restaurants, freshmarkets, stores, and trucked all over the fuckin place fresh-and-frozen in delivery routes, totally black market right down to the employees.  But you knew all that, the billions in unpaid tax, and its hundred+ year blackmarket history, and just choose to overlook it with a piffle.   
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 10:44:09 PM
We are not the Mafia.  For one thing, we don't let government agents die as quickly and painlessly as they do.  :twisted:

You seem to be missing the point of investing in local untaxable institutions.  You need to kiss the government's butt just to buy a fishing license!  And when a fishing company fails to catch any fish year after year, they'll obviously become suspicious, bug you, and throw you into federal prison for tax evasion.  Skimming a little off the top is not economic secession!  And we operate openly - have you noticed that we're discussing this in a public forum?!  Freedom through obscurity is not what we're fighting for!

The kernel of my ideas comes from some of the Samizdat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat) writing I've read from the failed early anti-Soviet secession movement in Estonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia).  Their secession turned out to be much easier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singing_Revolution) in late 1980s, because USSR was falling apart and they had the West on their side, but here is how it could have went a decade sooner:








See how this works?

If New Hampshire (or just Coös County) was to suddenly secede tomorrow, it would be kind of hard to negotiate with the United States (Canada being more or less a puppet when it comes to serious issues) about them not blockading us and making the whole experiment impossible right off the bat!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on December 02, 2009, 10:50:47 PM
Don't you have to pay property tax for your land in the middle of nowhere?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 02, 2009, 10:55:58 PM
Don't you have to pay property tax for your land in the middle of nowhere?

In some states that would depend if you're a part of a municipality, and getting rid of uniform state-level property taxes would be one of the easier things FSP (or similar movements in places like Wyoming) could accomplish.  That's where my idea about Free Staters coordinating adjacent land purchases (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19215) would be particularly useful.  We could also bribe local legislators with cheap fresh local organic tomatoes and stuff - who'd vote against that?  Plus the "Church Of Our Lord Messiah Alex Libman the Bread Grower" is also tax-exempt.  ;)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on December 02, 2009, 11:00:49 PM
Why advocate a transistor diet?

I mean, I understand eating vacuum tubes, and diodes, and stuff, but a diet built entirely on transistors is unbalanced and will lead to health problems.

Say NO to the transistor diet.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 02, 2009, 11:13:53 PM
We are not the Mafia.  For one thing, we don't let government agents die as quickly and painlessly as they do.  :twisted:

You seem to be missing the point of investing in local untaxable institutions.  You need to kiss the government's butt just to buy a fishing license!  And when a fishing company fails to catch any fish year after year, they'll obviously become suspicious, bug you, and throw you into federal prison for tax evasion.  Skimming a little off the top is not economic secession!  And we operate openly - have you noticed that we're discussing this in a public forum?!  Freedom through obscurity is not what we're fighting for!



Did you, or did you not, reference earlier the death from 10,000 cuts?

I was just saying, plain and simple, I like fish.  And a large part of it is a huge annoyance for the government.  Which is endlessly hilarious to me, thinking about the agent trying to monitor tonnage of fish with a bunch of salty fucks undermining his every effort with glee and guile. 

Imagine how totally shitty your life would have to be, to willingly accept the task of a Federal fish accountant.  And imagine being the new guy, given the worst assignment of all fish accountants, because those things go in pecking order.  Rottweilers, grungy hard-assed take-no-shit fishermen, treating you like a fucking whelp idiot stepchild, nasty storage facilities, ill-tempered fish-cutters with long knives standing there giving you the stink-eye, or outright laughing at you like a moron asshole from outside the clan.  Coils of line waiting to catch your foot on a creaky dock, tied to the aft of a fishing boat crewed by a bunch of alcoholics who would love to tow you out to sea for 70 miles in a freezing froth of seawater.  You can't get much more uncomfortable than that. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 03, 2009, 12:19:53 AM
You know, a lot of people working for Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union found the whole system to be hilarious too - there's no end to the little jokes and sly remarks that would circulate among trusted friends...  but they were still part of the system, as are you.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 03, 2009, 01:03:18 AM


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Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 03, 2009, 01:23:28 AM
If my nine-year-old daughter had responded that way to a legitimate point brought up in a debate, I would have given her a lecture on the value of maturity and intellectual integrity.  And then I'd sign her up for more Photoshop classes.  (That quote box anchor looks like an 8-bit rendition of a sexually aroused elephant with no limbs!)  Finally, I would take her to a comedic consultant who specializes in racial stereotypes, so she could learn to alter the text to imitate the perceived mispronunciations of Asians wuen dey tly to supeek Engrish.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 03, 2009, 01:30:04 AM
If you had a 9y/o daughter, you'd be in jail. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 03, 2009, 01:41:11 AM
Your wish of me being murdered or jailed by the Feds will come true soon enough, but I can guarantee you - it won't be due to any personal weakness!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 03, 2009, 01:47:34 AM
Your wish of me being murdered or jailed by the Feds will come true soon enough, but I can guarantee you - it won't be due to any personal weakness!

I'm pretty sure it'll be due to a fortified compound and some creatively obtained surface-to-air missiles.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 03, 2009, 01:23:05 PM
That's...  the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me...

Thank you, TaimuRaidiu...

I am deeply touched...

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Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on December 04, 2009, 01:03:29 PM
Breatharian's have the real tax resister diet.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 04, 2009, 02:30:35 PM
[...]  Also, it all just makes damn good sense.  Nice work.

Thank you.  :D


Breatharian's have the real tax resister diet.

You can't resist the government if you're dead, or are hospitalized and forced-fed after a week!

That reminds me of yet another reason why tax resisters should take good care of themselves: not just to lower your long-term medical costs, but to increase your longevity, physical as well as mental.  If the government thugs can find any excuse to put you in an institution and/or discredit you, they will!

Vegans (especially those that also avoid unfermented soy (http://www.vegsource.com/articles/alzheimers_homocysteine.htm) and get enough B-12 (http://www.examiner.com/x-5670-Seattle-Vegan-Examiner~y2009m9d30-Vegetarian-and-vegan-diets-protect-against-dementia)) have fewer incidents of Alzheimer's and other forms of old-age senility.  New studies are showing that vegans who eat right have more energy and stamina later in life - no wonder East Asian seniors are so much more alert and active than American ones.  The foremost of all liberties is the control over one's own mind!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 06, 2009, 03:44:52 AM
From Slashdot -- Reducing One Amino Acid Could Increase Lifespan (http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/12/06/060243/Reducing-One-Amino-Acid-Could-Increase-Lifespan) --

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Eating less of one amino acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid) might lengthen your life.  There have been lots of previous studies showing that many species live long on highly restricted calories, but a lot of this benefit may be possible by only restricting one amino acid (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/50275/title/Amino_acid_recipe_could_be_right_for_long_life).  Amino acids that have shown this have been tryptophan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan#Dietary_sources) and methionine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methionine#Dietary_aspects).  A recent study, published online December 2 in Nature, a highly respected journal, may help explain some of the health benefits of restricted-calorie diets.

Many vegetarian foods contain significant quantities of those amino-acids as well, but they tend to be foods I already avoid: soy (due to hormonal effects) and various seeds (due to portion control difficulties and too much fat).  The foods that I try to maximize in my diet -- non-soy legumes, leafy greens, and buckwheat (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100g+buckwheat) -- seem to contain the least.  (A good way to get the data on any food is search WolframAlpha for 100 grams of it, scroll down to "protein and amino acids" section, click "more", and compare it to the tables in the two amino acid Wikipedia articles linked to above.)

Now it's not a game of extremes, but I think it's safe to say that vegans get less of those amino acids just by default!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 06, 2009, 04:42:02 AM


Vegans (especially those that also avoid unfermented soy (http://www.vegsource.com/articles/alzheimers_homocysteine.htm) and get enough B-12 (http://www.examiner.com/x-5670-Seattle-Vegan-Examiner~y2009m9d30-Vegetarian-and-vegan-diets-protect-against-dementia)) have fewer incidents of Alzheimer's and other forms of old-age senility.  New studies are showing that vegans who eat right have more energy and stamina later in life - no wonder East Asian seniors are so much more alert and active than American ones.  The foremost of all liberties is the control over one's own mind!


Actually, the best argument I've heard for dementia, Alzheimer's, and other neurological disorders like Autism is because of non-organic meats, organic is supposedly fine.  Apparently, the feed used for meat production usually has other rendered meat products in it, which go rancid.  Essentially it turns herbivores into carrion feeders, which makes the meat-bearing animal sick from neurotoxin poisoning, due to bacteria putting out toxins contained in the feed.  Their bodies swell, making them larger to dilute the toxins within their systems.  We then eat that meat, ingesting the toxins ourselves.  This is allegedly what makes prepubescent girls develop breasts before they should, retain babyfat, and adults become generally fat as we swell to dilute the toxins.  We also become less clear in thinking - again from the neurotoxins - and eventually fall into dementia in greater numbers, at earlier ages.  In utero, this could be whats triggering the autism gene.  Or, partly.  There are probably a number of causes for that, but this is probably one. 

Dementia is increasing at an alarming rate, the older generations like your grandparents probably spent half their lives eating organic meats.  Just because thats how it was raised, locally -  and it grazed.  We're not so lucky, and grow from infancy eating engineered meats, and meats fed by rendered slaughterhouse products. 

These neurotoxins are also supposedly the root cause of madcow disease, through several generations of breeding, the animal becomes more packed with denser levels, get slaughtered, eats feeds with denser levels, the process snowballs. 

Traditional societies that don't use feeds, but have free-range meat don't have these effects in any numbers close to ours.  Amish, etc.  Similar societies can be found in south america and asia, where cattle and chicken feed is prohibitively expensive.  Amish people live to be old, but not senile.  Asians, same thing.  Its those toxins, and other things like hydrogenated oils, which we can't metabolize.  Within those societies, autism is practically zero. 

Diets of traditional peoples all (often) contain meats, shellfish, lots of animals.  They also go after "superfoods" like honey and nuts.  These contain enzymes and other essential nutrients that are not found in every other local food available to them.  So if they go well out of their way to gather a weird food that is lacking in most essential nutrition, its probably got a hidden benefit. 

Soy is a part of the vegetarian diet that should be avoided.  In moderation, you can handle it.  But soy is in so much vegetarian stuff, they allege you're overindulging.  You should attempt a soy free diet if you're a vegetarian, from what I've heard, simply because you get enough when trying to avoid it, because its the go-to additive in all things veggie. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 06, 2009, 12:56:47 PM
[...]  dementia, Alzheimer's, and other neurological disorders like Autism is because of non-organic meats.  [...]

Free range meat requires a lot more land to grow, multiplying the production costs.  The future Free State Project can have (A) a great economic miracle with many of the world's brightest minds moving in, it can have (B) agricultural independence so it doesn't have to import food from countries it may be trying to secede from, which they may use as a bargaining chip to keep us under their thumb, or it can (C) retain its animal-centric food culture - pick any two.

And "free range" still more unhealthy than the meat our ancestors ate due to lack of natural predators resulting in lazy devolved retarded cows.  Their meat was very fresh, bloody, and most often raw.  And our ancestors got a lot more of their calories from gathering than hunting -- having meat wasn't something you could count on every single day -- and our bodies evolved accordingly.  Meat consumption simply carries too many risks for absolutely no rational benefit (unless you're in a survival type situation, and if we're trapped in a cave or something don't think I wouldn't whack you over the head and eat you for the sake of my own survival - tee hee).


[...]  Amish people live to be old, but not senile.  Asians, same thing.  [...]

Amish people would probably have plenty of people diagnosed as autistic if they were subjected to the same stresses and overzealous school psychologists - there's far more different about them than just their diet.  And, when Jebediah Goodly loses his wits - how can anyone tell?   :lol:

I'm not sure if the Amish eat less meat than the average American, but Asians certainly do, and it's clearly observable there how many illnesses correlate with increase in meat consumption - see The China Study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study) [MP3] (http://btjunkie.org/torrent/The-China-Study-T-Colin-Campbell-CD-Rip-128-kbps-Vegetarian-Vegan-Health/44327b0ee9be19ce017c8d018f0dde4d05bd585e0cf6) [PDF] (http://btjunkie.org/torrent/The-China-Study-The-Most-Comprehensive-Study-of-Nutrition-Ever-Conducted/4114980e16af630d2a07ec3b83a875f582eb78785db6).


[...]  Soy is a part of the vegetarian diet that should be avoided. [...]

I normally only consume soy as soy sauce, because it's fermented and loses most if not all of its hormonal effects, and it has many health benefits as well, including further making sure I have a complete protein in every meal (though I almost always already do).
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 06, 2009, 01:09:15 PM
[...]  dementia, Alzheimer's, and other neurological disorders like Autism is because of non-organic meats.  [...]

Free range meat requires a lot more land to grow, multiplying the production costs.  The future Free State Project can have (A) a great economic miracle with many of the world's brightest minds moving in, it can have (B) agricultural independence so it doesn't have to import food from countries it may be trying to secede from, which they may use as a bargaining chip to keep us under their thumb, or it can (C) retain its animal-centric food culture - pick any two.


Thats so nice that you allow land owners to utilize their land in a variety of ways. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 06, 2009, 01:15:05 PM
Hey, we're just discussing cultural issues here - it should be rather obvious by now that we're not talking about using any kind of force.  Ultimately the only person whose diet I control is myself (and any children I may have), but I can still express an opinion about what food choices seem more or less rational in combination with other aspects of the Free Stater culture.  People shouldn't be surprised when they find that government-unsubsidized free range beef costs upwards of $80/lb!

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 06, 2009, 02:40:01 PM
Libman, your either/or scenario reminds me of the story of the Norse trying to be ranchers in Greenland and starving to death because they refused to eat Inuit food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland#The_demise_of_the_Greenland_Norse_settlements

Some of them probably survived, but not as Norse.

There are stories of European settlers encountering blonde-haired blue-eyed "Indians" in the 1500s.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 06, 2009, 02:45:16 PM
Hey, we're just discussing cultural issues here - it should be rather obvious by now that we're not talking about using any kind of force.  Ultimately the only person whose diet I control is myself (and any children I may have), but I can still express an opinion about what food choices seem more or less rational in combination with other aspects of the Free Stater culture.  People shouldn't be surprised when they find that government-unsubsidized free range beef costs upwards of $80/lb!



I donno, man.  I know a lot of people with land, and a lot of people with cows.  I don't know the nitpick particulars like acre-per-head, but when you grow alfalfa, keep a dozen for milk, two bulls (in case one goes lame), it doesn't take all that  much land. 

Examples, just 'cause...

When I was growin' up, I used to have a couple buddies who worked a farm called Hayfield.  I'm guessing it was two hundred acres.  Thre was all sorts of houses (for the farm dudes) barns, and roads went hither and yon.  maybe a mile square, give or take.  Probably less.  They sold half of it to PSU, didn't even miss it.  Never really adjusted their number of animals.  They had a fuckload of cows, pigs, chickens.  Like, a LOT.  Thery probably used feed, partly, but a lot was alfalfa they hayed themselves.  Even with a quarter of those animals, they could slaughter tons of meat per week, literally, if they wanted.  A lotta times you sell the meat live. 

Y'see, you keep a number of head for milk, and they just repopulate.  Beef cattle are only 18mos to 2yr when you slaughter.  They calfed all the time, pulled 'em out with tractors sometimes, when the birth was fucked up or the bitch was young n tight.  Calfs always, plenty of 'em.  Sometimes they'd sell the cows just 'cause there was too many.  You gotta keep the bulls away from the breeding stock.  Plus the pigs n chickens.  They had meat out the ass.  You regulate the breeding, its not that hard.  Less land, less fuckin.  NBD

Nother guy, his stepdad had a bunch, smaller acreage.  They always had fallow land, they were penned but hayed, two bulls for breeding.  Couple horses, always plenty of hay without even tryin.  They just sold 'em, no slaughter.  But they sold plenty of 'em.  Maybe ten a year out of a two acre pen.  Something like that. 

You'd sell a beef cow for like 200bux, a 400 lb cow.  I'm just guessing.  They'd make 2-3000bux just from driving a tractor around, and I'm assuming they sold the milk but I donno about that, I was only there a couple times.  They all had day jobs, they just had the land-n-cows cause their family did from the last gen.  Farming all the rest was work, so they didn't do that, 'cept for some corn just for shits and giggles.  Plus a regular garden, because they always did. 

I don't think the smaller guy got any subsidy, or he'da had the whole place loaded with cow, straight out to the back wall.  He had the land for it, and so much hay he sold the extra. 

Cows aren't a big deal, man.  They fuck, you eat 'em.  Theres a LOTTA land out there, drive it some time.  It would take such an influx of people to push crops up to ridiculous cash prices, its practically incomprehensible to figure.  People usually carve their spot out of the trees and let workin' land work.  Look at all the tree covered mountain, not even touched.  People with horse sense don't plop their asses into crop land when crop land is necessary, not in large numbers.  Its too valuable because of the shape of the terrain.  Hard men with big balls and strong backs already rode every inch of that land on horseback, and pulled the trees down on the farmin' parts.  That shit's already been decided by men who know land.  It can support animal or vegetable, and plenty of it.  The part that a mans house belongs on has trees on it, there is no shortage of that either. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 06, 2009, 03:21:51 PM
Very interesting story, Drifter, thank you.  I'm not saying it takes a shit-load of land to produce meat, only that it takes less land to feed a vegan.  New Hampshire's population density (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density) is already higher than the national average...  and its agricultural production (http://www.classbrain.com/artstate/publish/article_712.shtml) is almost entirely animal-based (plus "junk carbs" like applies)...  Do you think the U.S. revolution could have been successful if America relied on 90% of its food being imported from England?  :?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland#The_demise_of_the_Greenland_Norse_settlements

That's an excellent point - the kind I would have made myself if I was on the opposite side of that debate.  But my veganism is based on the economic realities of the present day (as well as my own peculiarities, like how it's easier to quit all animal products than simply try to limit them, because I'm very bad with portion control).  As I've said above, even cannibalism is justifiable in some situations.

If you're trying to survive the worsening climate in ancient Greenland, sure, seafood (including sea mammals) would make perfect sense.  Today, however, Greenland could support a far greater population if it had solar/wind-heated hydroponic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics) greenhouses growing plant-based foods.


There are stories of European settlers encountering blonde-haired blue-eyed "Indians" in the 1500s.

It has been established that the Blond Eskimos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond_Eskimos) are not genetically related to Nordic peoples, and probably have evolved their features the same way Europeans once did, but separately from them.

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 06, 2009, 04:17:36 PM
Very interesting story, Drifter, thank you.  I'm not saying it takes a shit-load of land to produce meat, only that it takes less land to feed a vegan.  New Hampshire's population density (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density) is already higher than the national average...  and its agricultural production (http://www.classbrain.com/artstate/publish/article_712.shtml) is almost entirely animal-based (plus "junk carbs" like applies)...  Do you think the U.S. revolution could have been successful if America relied on 90% of its food being imported from England?  :?



Of course not.  But i also know that density is averaged along with some very dense area, and the top 2/3rds is rural.  And the bottom third.  Well...  Cannonfodder.  Stack 'em up like sand bags and use 'em for fire cover.  Or wheel choks.  Whatever.  Lay 'em out flat, land helicopters on 'em.  I'm not really what you'd call a people person. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on December 06, 2009, 11:53:21 PM
Libman, your either/or scenario reminds me of the story of the Norse trying to be ranchers in Greenland and starving to death because they refused to eat Inuit food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland#The_demise_of_the_Greenland_Norse_settlements

Some of them probably survived, but not as Norse.

There are stories of European settlers encountering blonde-haired blue-eyed "Indians" in the 1500s.

Actually Ive heard they developed those traits the same way the european blonde-haired blue-eyes did quite naturally but pretty much separately.
Title: Re: The Tax Resistance Diet
Post by: anarchir on December 07, 2009, 12:26:27 AM
As far as cows go, with any grazing animal I think I should point out that how much land you need also depends on other factors.

Cows (or sheep, etc.) eat differently depending on how much land they have to choose from. If you give them a large amount of land they will pick and choose the choice and tastier greens and by the time they have eaten all of their favorites they will no longer want to eat the less wanted stuff and would rather go hungry and get skinny (meaning you would have to supplement them with hay). If you divide up your land into smaller plots then they will eat all the plant matter that can be included in their diet, and when the ground is sufficiently cleared they may be moved to another plot.  It depends on whether you can fence your land off like this or want to spend the time to move them I guess.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 07, 2009, 12:42:34 AM
Yes, you wouldn't want those cows to be half as skinny as your average human supermodel, or else the "animal rights" government-tards will raid you (http://wiki.freetalklive.com/Brian_Travis) and take away this vital part of your food supply...  :x

If you use that same land to plant maize, beans, and veggies (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=29041.msg574036#msg574036), however, you'll get like several times the protein (the commonly published numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_protein_per_unit_area_of_land) for meat production per acre aren't grass-fed / free-range), more total nutrients, greater health benefits, less cowshit in your nostrils, and less govertard regulation to boot!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 07, 2009, 01:33:10 AM
I don't see where all this government regulation is coming in from.  When you're zoned Agricultural, nobody's gonna mess with you if you have a few cows.  This is just more retarded scenario hyper-exhaustive non-practical speculation based on wikipedia articles and whatever else nonsense that can be dreamed up to endlessly argue. 

You don't even need cowS, you could have COW, one - singular.  Which wouldn't be a bad idea, just in case.  Three would be ideal.  And that doesn't take much room at all.  You kill one for yourself, you got meat for the whole year.  They give milk, reproduce, and you don't have to farm as much plants and worry about the storage of these veggies in such bulk.  Why do you think animals are so prized anyways?  Because you can fuck 'em?  Chickens are even easier.  They give eggs, and you keep 'em in a little hen coop, smaller than a bedroom.  You kill one, eat it, no muss no fuss. 

I'd farm veggies anyway, but remember, you gotta harvest all that shit.  And know what you're doing with each species of plant, and how to store it.  I haven't seen any mention of that  little factoid.  How do you plan on storing all these veggies Libman?  Did you ever can vegetables in Ball jars?  LOL, I can just imagine...  You, harvesting all these acres of different plants, they'd fuckin rot. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 07, 2009, 01:58:28 AM
Usually with my garden we just eat 'em as they look ready to harvest, during the summer and autumn we usually eat well.

Then again, we live in a typical suburban home with a smallish back yard.

<I>I</I> intend to start canning next year, because hopefully we'll have moved to a house with a bigger yard by then . . . Wish we were moving to an agricultural zone so we could buy chickens and a cow.

As for the Norse thing, there are records of the "Skraelings" (potentially the Beothuk people) taking Norse children as slaves. So . . . yeah.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 07, 2009, 02:33:16 AM
Drifter still doesn't seem to understand that land isn't free, especially in New Hampshire, so you'd want to squeeze out every calorie from it that you can - but he does bring up a good point about harvesting, processing, and storage silos for grains, legumes, and root vegetables.  I always thought pickin' and shellin' beans is a great way to keep your hands busy while listening to 10 hours of podcasts and audiobooks per day - oh, what the hell, bring on the undocumentados!  :lol:

And a Russian that doesn't know how to pickle cabbage or store potatoes and buckwheat through winter isn't really a Russian!  ;)

Greens are best grown in greenhouses, which can even be large enough to grow some fruits / berries as well (high variety at low quantity of each), and they can be heated to grow year-round, so you just eat things as they ripen.


Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on December 07, 2009, 03:15:24 PM
Well I think that even MORE ideally, you have no cows and only do what you do best. Your neighbor has all the cows, and you buy them from him one at a time or buy parts of a cow from him :)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 07, 2009, 03:35:48 PM
Well I think that even MORE ideally, you have no cows and only do what you do best. Your neighbor has all the cows, and you buy them from him one at a time or buy parts of a cow from him :)

I'm a big fan of division of labor, but there are some things a man should know how to do for himself: fire a gun, brush his teeth, stimulate an orgasm, reinstall an operating system, and make productive use of his land for food.  There are many things that are very easy to grow, add a lot more aesthetic and olfactory benefits that the stupid American habit of growing and trimming useless grass everywhere [NSFW] (http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/174842/detail/), that you can hire others to plant / harvest / etc for you and still make a profit.

I myself am a programmer, not Farmer Joe, but that doesn't mean I can't invest in local agriculture and secure a reliable healthy food supply for myself and my family / friends / neighbours.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 07, 2009, 07:40:59 PM
This is a secessionist scenario, right?  Basically a SHTF, before the SHTF.  You gotta have all your ducks in a row before the SHTF, or you're fucked. 

Well, I obviously don't own land there.  But if I did, it wouldn't be in town.  It'd be acreage.  And hopefully more than a little.  For more reasons than just farming.  I'd want extra land to allow people I like a place to put a trailer if needed, maybe eventually a little cabin for them and theirn.  Money is not a part of this picture, that can be worked out, if it even matters.  When people live somewhere, they begin to view it as theirs, which makes a great self-preservation thing.  I'm not saying I'd be "using" them, on the contrary.  Their eyes and allegiance is enough.  People always say "who goes there?" of their own free will. 

Farming comes naturally, its just something people do.  Dropping trees and tending to snow removal is entirely different.  You need people for that.  A few is plenty, but none is a bitch.  "Squeezing every calorie" out of a plot is a joke.  It doesn't work that way.  For one thing, you damage the land by taking its nutrients without practicing crop rotation.  That means you have to let portions stand fallow.  One of the things you can do with fallow land is plant clover and let animals graze it. 

Have you even ever stood in the middle of a measured acre and seen it?  Its large.  Twenty acres is huge.  You can do a lot of stuff on a relatively normal sized plot of ten or twenty, which you cannot do in mathematical extrapolation of one acre.  Fruit trees, for example, cannot be moved around.  And you can't really plant under them, because of the shade.  But animals thrive under them, from the dropped fruit, and the shit makes great organic fertilizer. 

Its true, I probably wouldn't go straight for the cow.  But I'd damn sure have chickens the first year.  Sooner than I'd put up any greenhouse of considerable size.  You gotta work what you know, and I ain't Frank Perdue, but I know a little heat and a wooden box will keep me alive all winter no matter how bad it gets, if theres chickens in it. 

This odor thing just makes you look like a effeminate twinkycake.  Fail argument, bigtime.  Keep 'em, away from the house.  Your kitchen garbage probably smells worse than a few animals would 200 yards away. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Brooklyn Red Leg on December 07, 2009, 07:46:28 PM
There are many things that are very easy to grow, add a lot more aesthetic and olfactory benefits that the stupid American habit of growing and trimming useless grass everywhere, that you can hire others to plant / harvest / etc for you and still make a profit.

Well, that was depressing that the fella in Bayonet Point ended up in jail over his lawn. Makes me wonder what would have happened if I actually told that Pasco County 'Code Enforcement' douchenozzel Deputy Sheriff Gambino (not a joke, a fucking Gambino is one of this county's enforcers) to take his notices and shove 'em up his ass. As it was, I tried (patiently at first) to explain that his job as a Sheriff's Deputy was NOT to work for the Homeowner's Association as well as trying to educate him on the concept of Private Property.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Cynthia on December 07, 2009, 10:11:32 PM
whoever started this thread.. you seem to be a victim of politically correct nutrition. You really should read some research, actual science behind what kinds of food you need. Animal fats are a good thing, as are many other things that the trendy nutritionists have eschewed. Here is a great website to get some info. http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/index.html#guidelines
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on December 07, 2009, 10:57:34 PM
whoever started this thread.. you seem to be a victim of politically correct nutrition. You really should read some research, actual science behind what kinds of food you need. Animal fats are a good thing, as are many other things that the trendy nutritionists have eschewed. Here is a great website to get some info. http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/index.html#guidelines

I agree. Its never a good idea to eat transistors, or get others to do so.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 08, 2009, 12:11:47 AM
whoever started this thread.. you seem to be a victim of politically correct nutrition.

I find it laughably ironic that you would describe a diet the primary purpose of which is to support the underground economy of tax resistance activists as "politically correct"!  :lol:

Furthermore, this is very different from the diet that the government is promoting, and in fact I blame the "health" education I received in government school for my falling into the "high protein diet" trap that has contributed to my obesity, and I credit a plant-centric diet with my recent improvements.  If you want to know what nutrition the government thinks is correct for everyone, look at what it's subsidizing: corn sugar, meat, and milk!  The government wants everyone to be fat, lazy, and apathetic to the tyranny around them!  The only reason why anyone would associate veganism with "political correctness" is the so-called "animal rights" hysteria that in reality is only intended to repress humans, which I am most clearly against (http://www.google.com/search?q="alex+libman"+"animal+rights").


You really should read some research, actual science behind what kinds of food you need.  Animal fats are a good thing, as are many other things that the trendy nutritionists have eschewed.  Here is a great website to get some info. http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/index.html#guidelines

You can find some good in anything, but the fat cells of another animal have far more negative health effects than positive ones, especially if, like me, you have a family history of heart disease.  The best sterols are the ones the human body manufactures itself for its own use, not those of a sickly corn-stuffed cow (and with the government's near-total monopoly over meat certification, it is very difficult to tell where any piece of meat came from).  Vitamin B12 doesn't originate in animals, it originates from bacteria which can be taken in more direct form as supplements (and that bacteria can be found on plants as well, depending on how well they are washed). 

I do agree with that site on a few points, however: overblown alarmism against salt, and all points listed on their Dietary Dangers (http://westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/dietdangers.html) page to varying degree of significance (except of course #8).

And I'd also like to remind you that this isn't a "healthiest diet in the world" thread, this is a "how to optimize untaxed food production in New Hampshire" thread.  Growing plants to feed to food animals just isn't economical, and attracts far too many gov regulations.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 08, 2009, 01:59:51 AM
Growing plants to feed to food animals just isn't economical, and attracts far too many gov regulations.


Yeah.  The people I know who hay are under a constant barrage of government regulation.  They had to get a bigger mailbox to handle all the cease-and-desist orders.  

And the tractor, my god!  It uses, gosh, two-three gallons per acre to harvest all that hay.  The 300 lbs of meat on that cow hardly seems worth the effort, when I could grow a big tasty rutabaga.  
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 08, 2009, 02:40:13 AM
Yeah.  The people I know who hay are under a constant barrage of government regulation.
They had to get a bigger mailbox to handle all the cease-and-desist orders.

A slave who obeys his master knows not of the whip.


And the tractor, my god!  It uses, gosh, two-three gallons per acre to harvest all that hay.
The 300 lbs of meat on that cow hardly seems worth the effort, when I could grow a big tasty rutabaga.

Yes, and rutabaga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutabaga) (a cross between the cabbage and the turnip) is quite tasty, moderately nutritious, grows well in NH's climate, and yields around 10 tons per acre [PDF] (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/hortcrop/h912.pdf).  Added to my table (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=29041.msg574036#msg574036) - that's about 3.2 million calories per acre with 13.44% calories from protein (and I think those numbers only include the root, while the greens are also edible).  Of course there are other things you could grow if you wanted more total calories and/or more protein, and if you could grow year-round greenhouses filled with hemp (18% protein in the seeds) you could reach 50 million calories per acre and beyond!

Or, if Massa Government allows, you can sustain one grass-fed cow on that acre (two if you're very lucky, but they'll be skinny cows), and it's a lot of work to keep animals through winter, to milk them 2-3 times per day, not being able to leave your house (ex. to do civil disobedience) lest your cows go unmilked, supply their drinking water every single day, shovel their shit, etc, etc, etc.  What do you get for your efforts?  I'd say about 3 million milk calories per cow per year ONCE they are at their peak, or LESS if you don't use the harmful hormones.  And, though about 21% of calories in raw milk come from protein, about 49% come from fat!  And the sugars it contains hardly give you any real energy.  Hope you aren't lactose intolerant!  And meat - forgetaboutit, those 300 lb of beef per cow is only 0.32 million artery-clogging calories, and you can only eat her once.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 08, 2009, 02:53:28 AM
Theres more to food than calorie content.  Some things you just like eating. 

And to be honest, I very much doubt you could harvest ten tons of rutabaga from one acre.  I know what an acre looks like, and I know what a rutabaga looks like, and I know what a ten ton pile of stone looks like.  A ten ton pile of rutabaga would be larger than a ten ton pile of stone because of density of the material.  I doubt you could get that out of an acre, even with perfect planting.  Probably less than half that.  You're probably going by the square footage of one plant.  You're forgetting rows split the land by more than half.   
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on December 08, 2009, 03:10:02 AM
(http://www.homedepot.com/hdus/en_US/DTCCOM/HomePage/Know_How/Fences/Project_Guides/044_Building_A_Wire_Fence/images/KH_PG_FN_wire_faster_02.jpg)I didnt read this entire page but I want to agree with Drifter & Libman in that there are certain things you would want to get going immediately that arent too difficult. I would include planting trees, starting raising chickens and pigs, and planting simple crops that dont need to be attended to much (corn and tomatoes spring to mind).  I also think that you should get your hands on some metal fence stakes while they are still easily available in stores. Building wooden fences to keep in/out creatures seems like it would be a total pain to me. Also barbed wire.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 08, 2009, 03:42:37 AM
(Sorry I took so long to edit and add to my previous post - wanted to re-RTFM some reference materials to make sure I got the numbers right.)


Theres more to food than calorie content.  Some things you just like eating.

I'm looking forward to discussing that - on the "Brasky's Government-Loving Eat-Whatever-Tastes-Good Diet" thread.  ;)


And to be honest, I very much doubt you could harvest ten tons of rutabaga from one acre.  [...]

Yes, that's an estimate for a good yield - you could do less, but then again your cows can get sick on you as well.  So it goes...

And, as much as I love to give every conspiracy theory I come across a fair shake, I just don't think the North Dakota State University can fudge those numbers by much without all the rutabaga farmers from Alaska to Finland taking notice.  :roll:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 08, 2009, 04:47:05 AM
(Sorry I took so long to edit and add to my previous post - wanted to re-RTFM some reference materials to make sure I got the numbers right.)


Theres more to food than calorie content.  Some things you just like eating.

I'm looking forward to discussing that - on the "Brasky's Government-Loving Eat-Whatever-Tastes-Good Diet" thread.  ;)




Spin much?  Subsidy subsidy!!  Tell you what.  You catch me growing food on subsidy of any kind, and I'll fuckin' blow ya.  Okay?

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 08, 2009, 05:17:05 AM
Libman, have you ever considered square foot farming?

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Square-Foot-Intensive-738/square-foot-farming.htm

http://journeytoforever.org/garden_sqft.html

http://www.markhamfarm.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=25

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 08, 2009, 06:36:42 AM
Spin much?  Subsidy subsidy!!  Tell you what.  You catch me growing food on subsidy of any kind, and  [...]

The government is bidirectionally evil: it's evil when it tries to help you at someone else's expense, and it's also evil when it taxes and regulates you.  If you don't accept any subsidies on meat production, that only addresses half of the problem.  Growing cows outside New Hampshire has a far greater per-meal taxation footprint than growing hemp in NH (outside any municipalities of course).


I'll fuckin' blow ya.  Okay?

No thank you.  Finding old farts who want to blow me is the easiest thing in the world, but I'm just not into that sorta thing.  Sorry.


Libman, have you ever considered square foot farming?

No, see, I'm only pretending to know anything about anything.   :shock:

Sounds very interesting though - I'll RTFM about it tomorrow, err, I mean after I sleep through most of today.  (I wonder where my night went?)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on December 08, 2009, 09:02:45 AM
Where's the Meat Porn thread when you need it?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 08, 2009, 03:33:07 PM
Where's the Meat Porn thread when you need it?

Obviously it isn't this thread.  Did all your cognitive dissonance from having to support Israeli tyranny rot your brain to the point where you can't even search?  Or was it all the hormones in your cow pus?  OK, fine, here's a linkie to MEAT PORN <<< CLICK HERE WITH YOUR MOUSIE >>> (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=14680.0).  Enjoy your artery-clogging commie slave-food, I've got Freedom Beans to soak!  ;)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 08, 2009, 09:17:29 PM
Spin much?  Subsidy subsidy!!  Tell you what.  You catch me growing food on subsidy of any kind, and  [...]

The government is bidirectionally evil: it's evil when it tries to help you at someone else's expense, and it's also evil when it taxes and regulates you.  If you don't accept any subsidies on meat production, that only addresses half of the problem.  Growing cows outside New Hampshire has a far greater per-meal taxation footprint than growing hemp in NH (outside any municipalities of course).


I'll fuckin' blow ya.  Okay?

No thank you.  Finding old farts who want to blow me is the easiest thing in the world, but I'm just not into that sorta thing.  Sorry.


Well, I figured since you were being so fuckin' gay and all, about what people do on their own. 

By the end of the first week you'd be flat on your back in a 10ft2 patch of perfect black soil, staring up at the sky like Sonny Liston. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 08, 2009, 10:38:53 PM
Oh, you thought I planned on doing all the hard work myself?

LOL - hell no.  I'm a l33t coder.  That's what illegal immigrants are for.  ;)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on December 08, 2009, 10:39:46 PM
Beef, it's what's for dinner.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 08, 2009, 11:00:08 PM
For some reason that feels like some sort of a communist slogan to my ears.

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on December 09, 2009, 10:40:09 AM
For some reason that feels like some sort of a communist slogan to my ears.



Fight the revolution against the capitalist pigdogs at home! Eat beef from the kolkhoz!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on December 09, 2009, 11:43:52 AM
For some reason that feels like some sort of a communist slogan to my ears.



Fight the revolution against the capitalist pigdogs at home! Eat beef from the kolkhoz!
It is true that beef tastes better than pig or dog meat.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 09, 2009, 09:56:45 PM
Oh, you thought I planned on doing all the hard work myself?

LOL - hell no.  I'm a l33t coder.  That's what illegal immigrants are for.  ;)


Didn't you say something earlier on about allowing people to carry your rifle? 

One of the things about self-sufficiency is you have to be somewhat self sufficient. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on December 09, 2009, 10:14:14 PM
For some reason that feels like some sort of a communist slogan to my ears.



Fight the revolution against the capitalist pigdogs at home! Eat beef from the kolkhoz!
It is true that beef tastes better than pig or dog meat.

you've had dog meat?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on December 09, 2009, 10:46:43 PM
For some reason that feels like some sort of a communist slogan to my ears.



Fight the revolution against the capitalist pigdogs at home! Eat beef from the kolkhoz!
It is true that beef tastes better than pig or dog meat.

you've had dog meat?
No, but I don't imagine it tasting very well.  I think I'd try some Chow if I went to Canton though.... :lol:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 10, 2009, 12:51:49 AM
Reminder:  I'm not the kind of tooty fruity vegan that believes it's wrong to kill and/or torture animals for food, clothing, decorative objects, science, sport, idle entertainment, etc - so please don't think you're accomplishing anything constructive by diluting this thread with conversations about dog meat.  Just please start your own thread, site (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=18452.0), etc.


Didn't you say something earlier on about allowing people to carry your rifle?

One of the things about self-sufficiency is you have to be somewhat self sufficient.

Securing one's personal access to rifles and other means of viable self-defence is absolutely crucial.  The ability to secure one's access to the means of manufacturing ammo and other things you may conceivably run out of someday is also important, but less so.  The ability to secure your access to widgets that are used in the equipment used to fine-tune the machines that are used to extract iron ore that's used to make rifles is also desirable, but it's a pretty low priority, because your existing supplies of rifles will probably last 200 years, and you can just melt down some old rails if you ever really needed to make more in a hurry.  You get the picture.

The same chain of priorities applies to food security as well.  Having edible stuff stored in your "armoured compound" (as the press will inevitably call your home) is priority #1, being able to replenish those stores with nutritious plant-based foodstuffs grown on or near your property is priority #2, etc.  Not having to rely on hired labor initially to set everything up and then twice a year to plant and harvest would hardly make the top 10 list.  What are the workers going to do to sabotage your farm that your video hover-bots could miss, plant your potatoes up-side-down?  :lol:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 10, 2009, 01:17:17 AM

The same chain of priorities applies to food security as well.  Having edible stuff stored in your "armoured compound" (as the press will inevitably call your home) is priority #1, being able to replenish those stores with nutritious plant-based foodstuffs grown on or near your property is priority #2, etc.  Not having to rely on hired labor initially to set everything up and then twice a year to plant and harvest would hardly make the top 10 list.  What are the workers going to do to sabotage your farm that your video hover-bots could miss, plant your potatoes up-side-down?  :lol:


Heres a radical concept...  Imagine if that labor was managed by someone else, and they brought a vast selection of goods to a centralized location, where you could take a small selection of perishables, pay for them, and transport them home and store them in a box that produces a suitable environment for keeping items fresh. 

One may not require vast tracts of expensive land, storage space, or worry about difficult details of agriculture or climate.   
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on December 10, 2009, 01:23:35 AM

The same chain of priorities applies to food security as well.  Having edible stuff stored in your "armoured compound" (as the press will inevitably call your home) is priority #1, being able to replenish those stores with nutritious plant-based foodstuffs grown on or near your property is priority #2, etc.  Not having to rely on hired labor initially to set everything up and then twice a year to plant and harvest would hardly make the top 10 list.  What are the workers going to do to sabotage your farm that your video hover-bots could miss, plant your potatoes up-side-down?  :lol:


Heres a radical concept...  Imagine if that labor was managed by someone else, and they brought a vast selection of goods to a centralized location, where you could take a small selection of perishables, pay for them, and transport them home and store them in a box that produces a suitable environment for keeping items fresh. 

One may not require vast tracts of expensive land, storage space, or worry about difficult details of agriculture or climate.   
lol....

You mean like a... SUPER MARKET?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 10, 2009, 01:29:11 AM

The same chain of priorities applies to food security as well.  Having edible stuff stored in your "armoured compound" (as the press will inevitably call your home) is priority #1, being able to replenish those stores with nutritious plant-based foodstuffs grown on or near your property is priority #2, etc.  Not having to rely on hired labor initially to set everything up and then twice a year to plant and harvest would hardly make the top 10 list.  What are the workers going to do to sabotage your farm that your video hover-bots could miss, plant your potatoes up-side-down?  :lol:


Heres a radical concept...  Imagine if that labor was managed by someone else, and they brought a vast selection of goods to a centralized location, where you could take a small selection of perishables, pay for them, and transport them home and store them in a box that produces a suitable environment for keeping items fresh. 

One may not require vast tracts of expensive land, storage space, or worry about difficult details of agriculture or climate.   
lol....

You mean like a... SUPER MARKET?

We may be onto something here.  It does indeed sound super. 

THERE MUST BE SOME FLAW IN THIS SCHEME. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on December 10, 2009, 01:36:16 AM
ye be wanting one of these me'thinks

(http://www.bonvivantantiques.com/products/icebox.jpg)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 10, 2009, 01:46:20 AM

The same chain of priorities applies to food security as well.  Having edible stuff stored in your "armoured compound" (as the press will inevitably call your home) is priority #1, being able to replenish those stores with nutritious plant-based foodstuffs grown on or near your property is priority #2, etc.  Not having to rely on hired labor initially to set everything up and then twice a year to plant and harvest would hardly make the top 10 list.  What are the workers going to do to sabotage your farm that your video hover-bots could miss, plant your potatoes up-side-down?  :lol:


Heres a radical concept...  Imagine if that labor was managed by someone else, and they brought a vast selection of goods to a centralized location, where you could take a small selection of perishables, pay for them, and transport them home and store them in a box that produces a suitable environment for keeping items fresh. 

One may not require vast tracts of expensive land, storage space, or worry about difficult details of agriculture or climate.   
lol....

You mean like a... SUPER MARKET?

We may be onto something here.  It does indeed sound super. 

THERE MUST BE SOME FLAW IN THIS SCHEME. 


What?!  A tax resistance... supermarket?!  It ain't got a chance!
You're really missing the whole point!  It's freedom to enhance!
Sure, we can have farmer's markets, and other untaxed trade,
But goal is self-reliance.  Home-grown, home-built, home-made!
You need to reread this whole thread, on how you missed a clue,
Why we should home-pickle; home-bake, home-fix, home-brew!
When we free ourselves of taxes, and stop relying on the state,
Secession would be possible, and road there would be straight!

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 10, 2009, 03:52:06 AM

The same chain of priorities applies to food security as well.  Having edible stuff stored in your "armoured compound" (as the press will inevitably call your home) is priority #1, being able to replenish those stores with nutritious plant-based foodstuffs grown on or near your property is priority #2, etc.  Not having to rely on hired labor initially to set everything up and then twice a year to plant and harvest would hardly make the top 10 list.  What are the workers going to do to sabotage your farm that your video hover-bots could miss, plant your potatoes up-side-down?  :lol:


Heres a radical concept...  Imagine if that labor was managed by someone else, and they brought a vast selection of goods to a centralized location, where you could take a small selection of perishables, pay for them, and transport them home and store them in a box that produces a suitable environment for keeping items fresh. 

One may not require vast tracts of expensive land, storage space, or worry about difficult details of agriculture or climate.   
lol....

You mean like a... SUPER MARKET?

We may be onto something here.  It does indeed sound super. 

THERE MUST BE SOME FLAW IN THIS SCHEME. 


What?!  A tax resistance... supermarket?!  It ain't got a chance!
You're really missing the whole point!  It's freedom to enhance!
Sure, we can have farmer's markets, and other untaxed trade,
But goal is self-reliance.  Home-grown, home-built, home-made!
You need to reread this whole thread, on how you missed a clue!
Why we should home-pickle; home-bake, home-fix, home-brew!
When we free ourselves of taxes, and stop replying on state,
Secession would be possible, and road there would be straight!



You're the one yammering on about cost effectiveness.  Hiring labor is not cost effective.  Especially when the resulting product of said labor is probably worth no more than 300/yr.  Beans, carrots, corn, tomatoes.  All cheap. 

Figure if you has a half-acre of beans.  Any kind, doesn't matter.  A huge bag of dried beans is like ten bucks.  The labor you'd put into creating that same bag would probly cost fifty dollars.  That stuff gets cheaper in scale because they have all the necessary machinery and ancillary apparatus. 

A ginormus bag of potatoes, ten bucks.  Harvesting that, probably about the same.  But you gotta plant and water to harvest, so double the labor on both ends of the growth cycle.  Your ten dollar bag of potatoes is 20 bucks with hired labor doing it. 

Not to mention the land is gonna cost you many thousands of dollars.

Profit only comes when you've worked off the principal investment.  It would take many years of using your own labor before you're operating in the black. 

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 10, 2009, 04:29:40 AM
Wow, talking to Drifter on this thread has really deepened my respect for people who work with developmentally challenged children - same cognitive malfucktions over and over and over again...  This thread isn't about what tastes good, or what's cost effective as part of the current government-controlled economic system.  It's about Tax Resistance!  It's in the thread title, dumbass!  A potato from your own field is worth 20x more than the one at the store, because you know it's untaxed, unsubsidized, unpoisoned, and can be counted on even if the rest of the world raptures to Arma-fucking-geddon!  If a bunch of Free Staters buy up enough adjacent land (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19215) and use it to grow a fuck-load of food, then any serious talk about secession is one step closer to reality!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 10, 2009, 05:34:22 AM
Wow, talking to Drifter on this thread has really deepened my respect for people who work with developmentally challenged children - same cognitive malfucktions over and over and over again...  This thread isn't about what tastes good, or what's cost effective as part of the current government-controlled economic system.  It's about Tax Resistance!  It's in the thread title, dumbass!  A potato from your own field is worth 20x more than the one at the store, because you know it's untaxed, unsubsidized, unpoisoned, and can be counted on even if the rest of the world raptures to Arma-fucking-geddon!  If a bunch of Free Staters buy up enough adjacent land (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19215) and use it to grow a fuck-load of food, then any serious talk about secession is one step closer to reality!


For someone who dislikes people, you sure do have some wild expectations to be included. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 10, 2009, 10:14:42 AM
I don't need others to include me - I decide to include others.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 10, 2009, 04:27:44 PM
I don't need others to include me - I decide to include others.


That doesn't jive with the above.  Try again, with less necessary involvement by other people. 

From here, its funny.  Because I get along well enough with others, but would try to not rely on anyone for self-sustainability.  You're the opposite of that, and it blows the definition of self-sustainability out.  It becomes external reliance, the yang to its yin.  And if you're gonna be externally reliant, you might as well just do it the old fashioned way, which is to find a place whos wares are provided in accordance with your philosophy.  It doesn't have to be Costco, it could be an open market.  I'd rather pick and choose seventeen bucks worth of perfect stuff than go through all sorts of gymnastics to produce tons of stuff that will spoil, rot, and require much tending, labor, storage, and resources.  The idea is to augment your provisions which minimize your reliance on anything external, including labor.  I'd do the same with energy, with windmills or microhydro turbines, and cut down my own trees - and probably keep my eyes peeled for cordwood sold cheap, already split.  Hiring labor to do that is no different, you're unnecessarily increasing the cost-per-BTU. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 10, 2009, 04:31:58 PM
OK, fine, Drifter, just to prove a point - I'll harvest it all by myself.

You've just cost a couple "illegal migrants" two weeks of low-paid work.

Happy?

:lol:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 10, 2009, 06:34:25 PM
OK, fine, Drifter, just to prove a point - I'll harvest it all by myself.

You've just cost a couple "illegal migrants" two weeks of low-paid work.

Happy?

:lol:


In your imaginary scenario, no people were harmed.  Nor would anyone be in reality.  Having unskilled labor waiting around for grunt work is bad for the local economy.   It takes away potential wages from locals who would do side jobs, who would then spend their earnings locally.  Transient labor removes wealth from the locality and exports it.  Transient labor absorbs charity, and brings an element of questionable identity into a location, along with the increased potential of crime due to impoverished living situations. 

Its irresponsible to introduce an unwanted element into a local population, like pollution.  Before anyone says its racist, pretend its a bunch of carneys and try to convince yourself they are a desirable element, without the carnival, knocking on doors and looking for odd jobs.   
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 11, 2009, 02:27:09 AM
I'll just program my ninja robots to work the farm for me.

And, yes, they will address me as Massa.  That does without saying.  :twisted:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 11, 2009, 03:24:17 AM
I'll just program my ninja robots to work the farm for me.

And, yes, they will address me as Massa.  That does without saying.  :twisted:


That would be much more effective. 

I was gonna use my big-titted hoors.  (New England pronunciation)

After they're done polishing my boat.  With their tits. 

 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 11, 2009, 03:33:36 AM
I've never been able to make breasts. (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22I%27ve+never+been+able+to+make+breasts.%22)  :roll:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 07, 2010, 12:30:49 AM
Still sticking to it.  Feeling about the same physically, and much better mentally in knowledge that I'm distancing myself from the government.  Every time I say NO to eating taxable / subsidized food, I grow a little bit stronger inside, and the government grows just a little bit weaker!  :D
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Ecolitan on January 07, 2010, 11:41:11 AM
Libman, your either/or scenario reminds me of the story of the Norse trying to be ranchers in Greenland and starving to death because they refused to eat Inuit food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland#The_demise_of_the_Greenland_Norse_settlements

Some of them probably survived, but not as Norse.

There are stories of European settlers encountering blonde-haired blue-eyed "Indians" in the 1500s.

Actually Ive heard they developed those traits the same way the european blonde-haired blue-eyes did quite naturally but pretty much separately.

And you believed anything ever said by someone who claims to know exactly how the blond haired blue eyed people written about by a few people but never widely reported or confirmed got bond haired blue eyed?  

He knows no such thing.  No one knows, we're pretty sure they existed, there are a lot of possible ways that could have come about.  Anyone who tells you they know has a super secret ancient manuscript in their closet or is a fuckin moron or believes you to be one.....Actually
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Ecolitan on January 07, 2010, 12:19:54 PM
and Brasky, hiring labor to grow plants is cost effective, hired labor grows almost all the crops.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: One two three on January 16, 2010, 01:07:46 PM
[...]  Why would you eat out of something that spoiled meat and fish regularly go into?  [...]

Socialist medicine?   :lol:

actually not bad if you go for the sealed containers and for recent dumps.

I have never thrown anything that was in a "sealed container" into the dumpster.

It is extremely common.  When I worked at a bakery, we did it most days.  Maybe 3-30 items a day.  Sometimes even more.  Other parts of the store also did it.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 16, 2010, 01:20:21 PM
Please don't hijack this thread any more with that parasitic socialist trash-stealing nonsense!  This "diet" is created with a purpose - maximizing local agricultural self-reliance for greater anti-government resistance!  What you're talking about is the complete opposite of that!  :x


Anywayz...

I've cut out most fruits, by which I mean anything that's low in protein and high in junk carbs (i.e. apples), and anything that needs to be imported from tropical regions (i.e. oranges).  You get far more vitamins and minerals from leafy greens and other vegetables in your greenhouse.  Exceptions include super-healthy fruits like greenhouse dwarf avocados, as well as healthy fruits that grow in New Hampshire like tomatoes and lemons.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: miamiballoonguy on January 16, 2010, 01:35:17 PM
There is nothing worse than a "new vegan".

Yeah, it's the same thing with people who quit smoking...  LOL
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 16, 2010, 02:04:11 PM
I've quit smoking, drinking, whoring, driving, etc.  It's my 4th month as a vegan now (not counting several prior attempts over the years lasting 2-6 weeks), and I'm doing fine.

Except none of the food I eat is grown by me or other tax resisters yet, and some of it may not even be locally grown, but at least I'm moving in the right direction.  Changing where you get your food should be much easier than changing what kind of food you're used to eating...
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 16, 2010, 02:13:09 PM
Does your water come from the grid or a well? 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 16, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
I'm still on the grid for water, electricity, and especially Internet (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=21270).

Rome wasn't built in a day...
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on January 16, 2010, 04:16:19 PM
What will you do for your next pair of shoes?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 16, 2010, 06:40:32 PM
People usually spend $2,000 - $12,000 a year on food, but I don't see myself spending more than $100 a year on footwear.  A good pair of hiking shoes / boots can last a very long time, and they can be bought in advance.  And no fortress has ever surrendered to the surrounding enemy simply because they've ran out of new shoes!

Maybe someday Free Staters will be able to manufacture their own hemp clothing, shoes, eyeglasses, vitamin supplements, tools, and even computers, but for now those things still need to be bought from outside the underground economy.

This isn't a 100% solution, just a movement in the right direction.  Like I said, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on January 16, 2010, 06:51:21 PM
What will you do for your next pair of shoes?

Kill a deer and make moccasins.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on January 16, 2010, 06:55:37 PM
I wonder how often libman bathes.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 16, 2010, 06:57:32 PM
Moccasins?!  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick007.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Tax resisters wear shoes you can kick butt in!


But this is a diet thread - please try to stay on topic.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 22, 2010, 07:21:45 PM
I've never been able to make breasts. (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22I%27ve+never+been+able+to+make+breasts.%22)  :roll:

Found the YuoTube:

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I wonder how often libman bathes.

Waay too often for a tax resister, but therein is yet another advantage of a bean and vegetable centric diet.  Those 8-12 cops who'll have to carry me to my cell after I refuse to walk better have gas masks.   :lol: (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys-farting.php)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on January 22, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
Moccasins?!  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick007.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Tax resisters wear shoes you can kick butt in!


But this is a diet thread - please try to stay on topic.

Killing a deer without a hunting license means that the government can't get the taxes you'd pay on it. Plus you can smoke the deer meat and make sausage out of the organs, as well as make clothes out of the hide.

Make sure not to kill too many, else you might not have deer when you need it.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on January 22, 2010, 07:47:49 PM
So, how much weight have you lost Alex?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 22, 2010, 08:42:53 PM
Actually, I don't know.  Don't have a scale.  And don't care.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on January 22, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
Bitch.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on January 22, 2010, 10:02:29 PM
Moccasins?!  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick007.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Tax resisters wear shoes you can kick butt in!


But this is a diet thread - please try to stay on topic.

Killing a deer without a hunting license means that the government can't get the taxes you'd pay on it. Plus you can smoke the deer meat and make sausage out of the organs, as well as make clothes out of the hide.

Make sure not to kill too many, else you might not have deer when you need it.

Yes, pick and choose. Go for bucks, not breeding does.
Title: food torture for the vegan tax resister
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on January 22, 2010, 10:28:22 PM
I don't know about this silly diet of yours.  Maybe you'll live longer, maybe not. 
Vegetables, grains, fungus etc. are only met to nicely compliment the fine meats of the world.
If it seems like I'm attempting to torture you, I am.
Here are a few of my favorite dishes when I am feeling devilishly gluttonous.

Filet Oscar...medium rare

(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/18/5f/d7/filet-oscar-at-the-reef.jpg)

Oysters Rockefellar
(http://www.bentleyson27.com/images/pic-75.jpg)

Lobster Newburg

(http://img.timeinc.net/recipes/i/recipes/su/03142008/lobster-newburg-su-1017304-l.jpg)  (http://www.lesliebeck.com/images/featured_foods/scallop8.jpg)

Fried soft shell crab and crawfish Etouffee
(http://whatscookingamerica.net/RestaurantReviews/AcadiaBistro/SoftShellCrab.jpg)

Baby back ribs!
(http://www.nahiku.com/baby-back-ribs.jpg)

Sushi

(http://prometheus.med.utah.edu/~bwjones/C741542647/E20070417140221/Media/Sushi%20good.jpg)
 
Seared Ahi Tuna with a Daikon Dressing

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_q5b7Ix7OaP0/ReItl_px-vI/AAAAAAAAAQM/VP5wb34bXOg/s400/seared_tuna_steak_daikon_dr.jpg)

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on January 22, 2010, 10:42:24 PM
I don't get the seafood thing, especially stuff that looks like large bugs.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on January 22, 2010, 10:53:06 PM
I live on the Atlantic Ocean.  The seafood here is cheap, fresh, and brilliantly prepared.
The item in question "soft shell crab" is a delicacy and not enjoyed by most people.  They harvest them in the spring  when the crabs have molted their hard shell, remove a few organs and then cook the entire crab.  Yum

Here's a few land lover delicacies for you.

Kobe Beef Tar Tar
(http://timefordinner.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/kobe-beef-tartar.jpg)

Bone Marrow
(http://www.dessertcomesfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/scoop-of-bone-marrow_rs.jpg)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 22, 2010, 11:58:54 PM
Don't get me wrong, I crave meat so much I don't even know what to compare that craving to.  Sometimes it gets so bad it's the only thing I can think about...

But I hate the government more.

I have never violated this diet since I started it (except one piece of French Toast I bit into without thinking).  My resolve is a reflection of my will.  If I can do this, then I can do anything.

Pretty soon time will come for me to put my words into action.  I will jump on government bureaucrats like a starving wolf, and I will rip their guts to pieces!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on January 23, 2010, 12:04:34 AM
I dunno.
These don't look as tasty as the meat photos posted above.
Maybe it was the crude preparation?

(http://bp0.blogger.com/_qlArCRkQXok/SE3qWXhUaNI/AAAAAAAAAD4/Pz5R2JWUNsY/s400/Canibal.jpg)

(http://www.cabuloso.com/outros/canibalismo_em_taiwan/foto/taiwan_canibal06.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7uRISSg_sRE/SApjonwuw5I/AAAAAAAAAqY/Bna1Py4PuyM/s1600/canibal.jpg)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 23, 2010, 01:36:36 AM
My references to violence are figurative and poetic, obviously, though the people they're directed at would certainly deserve it.

Oh, and that second photo is a known fake / art project.

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 02, 2010, 04:12:20 AM
OK, so I've decided to loosen up the "drink nothing but water" rule and the "no sweets" rule.  I'm stuffing my face with imported taxed regulated government-loving coffee right now.  Mmmm mmm!  :P

I can do without sweets in general, but coffee is what I've missed the most in the last few months.  Getting zero caffeine all this time did not fix my sleep cycles (I often work all night through and sleep during the day), but it only made them more difficult to adjust afterwards when I'd wake up at like 6PM and try to stay awake for ~26 hours to get back on a "normal" schedule.

I guess this makes it easier for the government thugs to poison me, because poison is much easier to hide in coffee than in water.  Luckily you all know that the chances of me suiciding myself or dying of natural causes or being hit by a truck or ever leaving this forum are pretty much zero, so if I disappear poisoned coffee is probably to blame.  :lol:

I'm still 100% strict on the other rules: vegan, no drugs, no alcohol, no smoking, etc.  I guess Free State gulchers will just have to learn to grow greenhouse coffee beans for themselves, which I'm sure many people will want to do anyway.





In other news, I've resolved to troll (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28728) at least one "animal rights" forum a month to compensate for my veganism.  This happened when I was googling to find out if any animals are particularly sensitive to cold weather (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=20004), and I found this disgusting forum thread (http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=25825.0) with commie assholes applauding $500 fines for people who leave their animals outside for more than 10 minutes...  :x

Quote
You are all mentally deranged fascists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany)!  There is absolutely no rational basis for "animal rights" (http://www.city-data.com/forum/great-debates/521605-rational-basis-human-rights-vs-irrational.html), which in reality violate human rights and place almost limitless power in the hands of the government.  Thugs who impose their arbitrary emotions on others deserve to fall victim to the same - how would you feel if someone forced you to wear a veil or pray to Allah five times a day?!

This is exactly why I didn't go vegan (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31494) sooner, and the reason why millions of people would rather die 20 years early than go vegan - because they don't want to be associated with people like you!  :x

:x

:x

:x
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 02, 2010, 05:18:15 AM
Perhaps we should refer to this bbs as the "Troll Home Base."

Keep us updated Libman!  Kicking the caffeine habit is a good idea, if you can do it, tell me how so I can too.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 02, 2010, 05:34:06 AM
Alex, the reason you are craving meat so bad is because you're starving yourself.  Don't fuckin starve yourself you dipshit.  Eat some fuckin beef man.  Go buy some 99c/lb beef at Food4Less at least and grill it up and put it in some soup or a quesadilla or something at least.  Don't starve yourself of what your body really needs to survive.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 02, 2010, 05:57:19 AM
Perhaps we should refer to this bbs as the "Troll Home Base."

I swear, I once came across a dial-up PCBoard BBS called The Troll's Cave.  :lol:

I'm pretty sure it was around since the 1980s, so no reference to the modern terminology there.

Yeah, I like to post the tales of my trolling adventures where I know they won't be deleted, and others are welcome to go there and do some sockpuppeting after they ban me.  ;)


Keep us updated Libman!  Kicking the caffeine habit is a good idea, if you can do it, tell me how so I can too.

I guess you missed it - I said I've had zero caffeine for the past ~3 months and drank nothing but water, not even herbal tea or green tea decaf, ending last night.  Only made me more drowsy with no positive effects compared to moderate coffee consumption.  (Excessive coffee consumption does cause problems though.) 


Alex, the reason you are craving meat so bad is because you're starving yourself.

No, quite the opposite.  I eat enough beans and bread to feed a small army, and plenty of veggies as well!  I get about 3000 calories every day, about 20% of which is from protein.  (And that's without really trying, because I really do like leaf vegetables and legumes - I could even average 40% protein if I really wanted to, but that's probably too much even for bodybuilders.)  I also get enough iron and almost enough calcium - plus I take generous amounts of high-quality vitamin supplements to be sure.


[...]  Go buy some 99c/lb beef at Food4Less at least  [...]

The best you'd get for 99c/lb (and only if your timing is right) is half-spoiled beef that's >30% fat, which means >65% fat calories.  I'd eat that pound of beef in one sitting, getting more than one day's maximum of cholesterol in a single meal, and I'd still be hungry.  That same 99c could buy a meal of beans and barley that is far more nutritious, with far less poison and with more protein too!  Most important of all, this meat would be far more difficult / inefficient to acquire in a Galt's Gulch type situation, which is what this diet is all about!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 02, 2010, 06:06:55 AM
Trust me, there are proteins in meat that you can't get anywhere else.  You need those proteins.  There's a reason your body is craving meat.  Because you fucking NEED it.  And I can get 99c/lb beef that's not half spoiled or mostly fat at the Food4Less near my house.  Sure it's not very tender and it's not great, but it works fine for quesadillas and stews.  Bump the price up to 3 bucks a pound and you might be able to find some on sale tri tip.  I just got some VERY GOOD tri tip for 5 bucks a pound at costco yesterday.  Already ate some of it and it was delicious.  Sure you have to carve/trim it yourself, but who cares?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 02, 2010, 06:38:53 AM
You mean essential amino acids or something else?  I use NutritionData.com (http://www.nutritiondata.com/) to check that I get a full amino-acid profile in all my major recipes, which is actually taking it too far because you don't need to combine them in one meal, just every 1-2 days.  Do you honestly think the vegan bodybuilders in below photographs aren't getting enough protein?!

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And I don't think a Galt's Gulch is going to have a Food4Less store materialize out of thin air, and even if it did the meat prices would be closer to 99 dollars per pound than 99 cents!  For the millionth time, this is all about gulching and tax resistance, not the discount bin in the government-loving supermarket in your neighborhood!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 02, 2010, 07:53:37 AM
If you're in Michigan, there's absolutely no sales tax on food.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 02, 2010, 07:58:05 AM
Well I'm not going to complain about Libman starving himself to death.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 02, 2010, 08:48:11 AM
If you're in Michigan, there's absolutely no sales tax on food.

Oh...  I guess that means there are only 150 taxes on a loaf of bread (http://www.whatsbestnext.com/2009/04/151-taxes-in-a-loaf-of-bread/) then...
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: gibson042 on February 02, 2010, 02:12:56 PM
I support what you are doing. But if you simply must have coffee, you may be able to attenuate the damage by buying large amounts (for obvious reasons) from individuals (also for obvious reasons). There is a whole coffee section (http://listings.ebay.com/aw/plistings/category38178/index.html) on eBay; maybe you can work out an arrangement with someone like gino535 (http://myworld.ebay.com/gino535/), bagboy25 (http://myworld.ebay.com/bagboy25/), or the.blue.bell.mountain.coffee (http://myworld.ebay.com/the.blue.bell.mountain.coffee/).
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 02, 2010, 02:31:19 PM
I haven't decided yet if this is just a temporary relapse or not.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on February 02, 2010, 04:51:38 PM
Trust me, there are proteins in meat that you can't get anywhere else.  You need those proteins.  There's a reason your body is craving meat.

You know that your body just breaks down proteins into amino acids, right? They don't magically go through your intestinal wall straight into your muscles or some shit.

Yes, your body can get the nutrition from meat, and meat tastes delicious. But it can get it from plants too.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 02, 2010, 04:58:01 PM
Trust me, there are proteins in meat that you can't get anywhere else.  You need those proteins.  There's a reason your body is craving meat.

You know that your body just breaks down proteins into amino acids, right? They don't magically go through your intestinal wall straight into your muscles or some shit.

Yes, your body can get the nutrition from meat, and meat tastes delicious. But it can get it from plants too.
No shit.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on February 02, 2010, 05:00:32 PM
Trust me, there are proteins in meat that you can't get anywhere else.  You need those proteins.  There's a reason your body is craving meat.

You know that your body just breaks down proteins into amino acids, right? They don't magically go through your intestinal wall straight into your muscles or some shit.

Yes, your body can get the nutrition from meat, and meat tastes delicious. But it can get it from plants too.
No shit.

So, besides giving yourself an excuse for consuming mass quantities of beef (sort of like excusing circumcisions), what was your point?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 02, 2010, 05:02:03 PM
Trust me, there are proteins in meat that you can't get anywhere else.  You need those proteins.  There's a reason your body is craving meat.

You know that your body just breaks down proteins into amino acids, right? They don't magically go through your intestinal wall straight into your muscles or some shit.

Yes, your body can get the nutrition from meat, and meat tastes delicious. But it can get it from plants too.
No shit.

So, besides giving yourself an excuse for consuming mass quantities of beef (sort of like excusing circumcisions), what was your point?
Eat meat to stay healthy... ?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on February 02, 2010, 05:11:58 PM
Trust me, there are proteins in meat that you can't get anywhere else.  You need those proteins.  There's a reason your body is craving meat.

You know that your body just breaks down proteins into amino acids, right? They don't magically go through your intestinal wall straight into your muscles or some shit.

Yes, your body can get the nutrition from meat, and meat tastes delicious. But it can get it from plants too.
No shit.

So, besides giving yourself an excuse for consuming mass quantities of beef (sort of like excusing circumcisions), what was your point?
Eat meat to stay healthy... ?

So you're saying you can't be healthy unless you eat meat?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 02, 2010, 05:38:33 PM
Trust me, there are proteins in meat that you can't get anywhere else.  You need those proteins.  There's a reason your body is craving meat.

You know that your body just breaks down proteins into amino acids, right? They don't magically go through your intestinal wall straight into your muscles or some shit.

Yes, your body can get the nutrition from meat, and meat tastes delicious. But it can get it from plants too.
No shit.

So, besides giving yourself an excuse for consuming mass quantities of beef (sort of like excusing circumcisions), what was your point?
Eat meat to stay healthy... ?

So you're saying you can't be healthy unless you eat meat?
For many people this is the case.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on February 02, 2010, 05:39:22 PM
Trust me, there are proteins in meat that you can't get anywhere else.  You need those proteins.  There's a reason your body is craving meat.

You know that your body just breaks down proteins into amino acids, right? They don't magically go through your intestinal wall straight into your muscles or some shit.

Yes, your body can get the nutrition from meat, and meat tastes delicious. But it can get it from plants too.
No shit.

So, besides giving yourself an excuse for consuming mass quantities of beef (sort of like excusing circumcisions), what was your point?
Eat meat to stay healthy... ?

So you're saying you can't be healthy unless you eat meat?
For many people this is the case.

Riiiight...
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 02, 2010, 05:48:04 PM
I'm still not hearing any scientific arguments on why my diet is nutritionally imperfect.


No shit.

Yes, constipation is a common problem for people who love animal products, because animal products contain no fiber and generally congeal in your stomach, while all protein-rich plant-based foods that my diet emphasizes (legumes, green veggies, etc) are super-rich in fiber as well.  :twisted:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 02, 2010, 06:31:56 PM
If you're in Michigan, there's absolutely no sales tax on food.

Oh...  I guess that means there are only 150 taxes on a loaf of bread (http://www.whatsbestnext.com/2009/04/151-taxes-in-a-loaf-of-bread/) then...


Yet none of them I have to directly pay.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 02, 2010, 06:40:16 PM
If you're in Michigan, there's absolutely no sales tax on food.

Oh...  I guess that means there are only 150 taxes on a loaf of bread (http://www.whatsbestnext.com/2009/04/151-taxes-in-a-loaf-of-bread/) then...


Yet none of them I have to directly pay.

"directly" OK then, you indirectly pay them. Someone has to pay them, and if the retail establishment can get away with passing it onto the consumer then they'll do so.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on February 02, 2010, 06:52:56 PM
THE SEED YOU USED TO GROW YOUR TAX FREE GARDEN WAS TAXED


OH NO WHAT AM I GOING TO DO


ALEX, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT STARVATION NOW
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 02, 2010, 07:01:01 PM
If you're in Michigan, there's absolutely no sales tax on food.

Oh...  I guess that means there are only 150 taxes on a loaf of bread (http://www.whatsbestnext.com/2009/04/151-taxes-in-a-loaf-of-bread/) then...


Yet none of them I have to directly pay.

"directly" OK then, you indirectly pay them. Someone has to pay them, and if the retail establishment can get away with passing it onto the consumer then they'll do so.

Yeah, if they can get away with making their goods as profitable as possible they'd do that still.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on February 03, 2010, 12:43:10 AM
Here's what I ate today: shrimp/mushrooms and cheesy grits.....mmmmmm
 
(http://www.wishbonechicago.com/files/imagemanagermodule/@random46e995ee167b3/shrimp_and_grits_web.jpg)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 03, 2010, 07:09:22 AM
THE SEED YOU USED TO GROW YOUR TAX FREE GARDEN WAS TAXED  [...]

I can never tell - are you genuinely confused about my agorist food strategy, or are you just being an idiot on purpose?


Here's what I ate today  [...]

Wrong (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=22991) thread (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=27791).
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 03, 2010, 02:42:51 PM
OK, so the verdict is that I'm very disappointed with myself for this slip-up.  Sweets are a major no-no because they actually make you crave meat more!  I think this is because my body senses that it's getting too many "junk carbs" and wants some low-carb protein to compensate, whereas when I eat protein-rich vegan foods like beans or spinach I don't miss meat quite as much.  Coffee also sucks: it's expensive for agorists to grow, it provides no nutritional value, and it actually makes me crave tobacco for some reason.  It's funny how different vices are mutually-tempting, but it's simply easier to quit all of them at once.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 03, 2010, 04:01:39 PM
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Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 03, 2010, 04:35:35 PM
I recently said this on a related thread on the FSP forum (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19939.msg235993):

Quote from: Alex Libman
Meat is for commies.

Quote from: Alex Libman
Quote from: B.D. Ross
Communism isn't generally known for putting lots of energy-intensive meat into the hands of your everyday "commie".  [...]

Actually it is, and I don't just mean the biased nutrition propaganda taught in government schools, or how in a truly free market cow's milk would be way more expensive than soy milk, and beef steak would cost like 5-20x more than it does today.  Communists love bribing their populace with "simple pleasures", and it was a very big deal in 1930s and 1950s USSR about the average citizen being able to afford meat.  If you have milk and meat, later propaganda suggested, that means you are well off and the state is taking good care of you.  Alcohol, tobacco, TV / movies, and spectator sports are other "simple pleasures" that communists love to invest in.  Beats investing in things like less crowded housing, private automobiles, and consumer electronics - which truly do make people more free!

Using meat and dairy is also the easiest way to pump your citizenry full of hormones to make them more obedient - you are what you eat, and Communist leaders want their slaves to behave precisely like the cows on their way to slaughter.  Most modern communists also want to reduce human population size, which makes agricultural efficiency far less important.  With modern agricultural innovations a vegetarian culture can feed about 10x more people on the same amount of land, which is particularly important to small regional secession movements.

Finally there's also an issue of economic inter-dependence: a region that mostly produces meat products and imports grain and other food from somewhere else (like Estonia or New Hampshire) cannot even begin to think about independence!  How well do you think the American Revolution would have went if most of the colonies' food was imported from England?!

Seeing Woody Allen pushing lard and fudge further confirms my hypothesis.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on February 03, 2010, 05:35:19 PM
THE SEED YOU USED TO GROW YOUR TAX FREE GARDEN WAS TAXED  [...]

I can never tell - are you genuinely confused about my agorist food strategy, or are you just being an idiot on purpose?


Here's what I ate today  [...]

Wrong (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=22991) thread (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=27791).

No, I want you to see the food I am enjoying while you eat cardboard flavored blah.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on February 03, 2010, 05:37:03 PM
No, I want you to see the food I am enjoying while you eat cardboard flavored blah.
Your food looks like puke.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on February 03, 2010, 05:41:15 PM
No, I want you to see the food I am enjoying while you eat cardboard flavored blah.
Your food looks like puke.

I don't see the resemblance:

(http://wiki.freetalklive.com/images/7/7b/Puke-Portrait-B%26W-small.JPG)


Anyway, my food  tastes like "low country" heaven. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 03, 2010, 06:06:54 PM
No, I want you to see the food I am enjoying while you eat cardboard flavored blah.

My days of ordering $100 worth of Japanese taxfood delivered to my door for dinner are over and done with, by my own choice and I don't miss them one bit!

And there's nothing resembling cardboard in what I had for dinner just now!  Black beans and kidney beans cooked together, mixed in like a salad with humongous quantities of plumb tomatoes ripe as a virgin's bosom, finely chopped Spanish onions, jalapeño peppers (canned with carrots, more onions, and some other vegetables), parsley, soy sauce, brown mustard, and a dozen other spices.  Served with fresh whole grain bread topped with mushed avocado butter.  It tastes like...  freedom!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on February 03, 2010, 06:23:54 PM
No, I want you to see the food I am enjoying while you eat cardboard flavored blah.

My days of ordering $100 worth of Japanese taxfood delivered to my door for dinner are over and done with, by my own choice and I don't miss them one bit!

And there's nothing resembling cardboard in what I had for dinner just now!  Black beans and kidney beans cooked together, mixed in like a salad with humongous quantities of plumb tomatoes ripe as a virgin's bosom, finely chopped Spanish onions, jalapeño peppers (canned with carrots, more onions, and some other vegetables), parsley, soy sauce, brown mustard, and a dozen other spices.  Served with fresh whole grain bread topped with mushed avocado butter.  It tastes like...  freedom!


That actually sounds right tasty.  Did you bake the bread?  And how do you make avocado butter?  Just mush it?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 04, 2010, 01:07:34 AM
Well my big 16 oz juicy tenderloin steak I just took off the barbecue is quite satisfying.  So was the glass of milk I drank with it.  And so was the Guinness I drank after the milk.  And so was the ice cream for desert.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: ForumTroll on February 04, 2010, 02:39:06 AM
Well my big 16 oz juicy tenderloin steak I just took off the barbecue is quite satisfying.  So was the glass of milk I drank with it.  And so was the Guinness I drank after the milk.  And so was the ice cream for desert.

Wow, so you mixed meat with milk? You're so going to Jew hell.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 04, 2010, 02:44:01 AM
Well my big 16 oz juicy tenderloin steak I just took off the barbecue is quite satisfying.  So was the glass of milk I drank with it.  And so was the Guinness I drank after the milk.  And so was the ice cream for desert.

Wow, so you mixed meat with milk? You're so going to Jew hell.
There's no such thing as hell.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 04, 2010, 02:45:54 AM
Well my big 16 oz juicy tenderloin steak I just took off the barbecue is quite satisfying.  So was the glass of milk I drank with it.  And so was the Guinness I drank after the milk.  And so was the ice cream for desert.

Wow, so you mixed meat with milk? You're so going to Jew hell.
There's no such thing as hell.

Well, it was juicy so there was probably still some blood in it, so Christian Hell as well.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 04, 2010, 02:47:30 AM
Well my big 16 oz juicy tenderloin steak I just took off the barbecue is quite satisfying.  So was the glass of milk I drank with it.  And so was the Guinness I drank after the milk.  And so was the ice cream for desert.

Wow, so you mixed meat with milk? You're so going to Jew hell.
There's no such thing as hell.

Well, it was juicy so there was probably still some blood in it, so Christian Hell as well.
It was so juicy there was still blood in it.  Yum.  A good red color in the middle and pink throughout and slightly seared on the outside.  Seriously the best steak I've had in a long time.  It was well worth the 9 bucks a pound.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 04, 2010, 06:10:51 AM
That actually sounds right tasty.  Did you bake the bread?

No, not yet, but that is something I will look into in the future.  Most bread you get in this country is major fail.  I don't like to buy anything pre-sliced: it really does taste better if you cut it yourself, and stays fresh longer too.  (Though sometimes I actually like bread that's a little firmer, as did my father before me.)  German stores often have excellent rye bread, but it's usually pretty expensive for a gulcher for whom bread is a major staple.  Farmer's markets sometimes have people who bake and sell excellent bread: I especially like sourdough.


And how do you make avocado butter?  Just mush it?

Pretty much yeah, just cut a few ripe avocado in half, remove the pit, use a spoon to scoop out the green buttery goodness, add spices to taste, and mush (or mash?) it with a fork into a smooth spread.  I usually like to add crushed garlic and a little soy sauce, but I've also tried lemon juice, chopped cilantro leaves, ground cumin, even Tabasco sauce, etc.

Another thing I often spread on bread is canned tomato paste (the thick paste, not the watered-down sauce), also mixed with crushed garlic and other spices.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 04, 2010, 05:03:42 PM
That actually sounds right tasty.  Did you bake the bread?

No, not yet, but that is something I will look into in the future.  Most bread you get in this country is major fail.  I don't like to buy anything pre-sliced: it really does taste better if you cut it yourself, and stays fresh longer too.  (Though sometimes I actually like bread that's a little firmer, as did my father before me.)  German stores often have excellent rye bread, but it's usually pretty expensive for a gulcher for whom bread is a major staple.  Farmer's markets sometimes have people who bake and sell excellent bread: I especially like sourdough.


And how do you make avocado butter?  Just mush it?

Pretty much yeah, just cut a few ripe avocado in half, remove the pit, use a spoon to scoop out the green buttery goodness, add spices to taste, and mush (or mash?) it with a fork into a smooth spread.  I usually like to add crushed garlic and a little soy sauce, but I've also tried lemon juice, chopped cilantro leaves, ground cumin, even Tabasco sauce, etc.

Another thing I often spread on bread is canned tomato paste (the thick paste, not the watered-down sauce), also mixed with crushed garlic and other spices.

That sounds like Guacamole to me.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 04, 2010, 05:17:46 PM
I don't like thinking about it as Mexican food.  The ingredients may be Mexican (except the rye bread, soy sauce, and some of the spices), but they were chosen for pragmatic reasons.  Just beans and things that complement them in taste, digestion, and nutrition.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 04, 2010, 05:20:52 PM
I don't like thinking about it as Mexican food.  The ingredients may be Mexican (except the rye bread, soy sauce, and some of the spices), but they were chosen for pragmatic reasons.  Just beans and things that complement them in taste, digestion, and nutrition.

So the stuff in Mexican food wasn't chosen for pragmatic reasons?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 04, 2010, 05:33:42 PM
That actually sounds right tasty.  Did you bake the bread?

No, not yet, but that is something I will look into in the future.  Most bread you get in this country is major fail.  I don't like to buy anything pre-sliced: it really does taste better if you cut it yourself, and stays fresh longer too.  (Though sometimes I actually like bread that's a little firmer, as did my father before me.)  German stores often have excellent rye bread, but it's usually pretty expensive for a gulcher for whom bread is a major staple.  Farmer's markets sometimes have people who bake and sell excellent bread: I especially like sourdough.


And how do you make avocado butter?  Just mush it?

Pretty much yeah, just cut a few ripe avocado in half, remove the pit, use a spoon to scoop out the green buttery goodness, add spices to taste, and mush (or mash?) it with a fork into a smooth spread.  I usually like to add crushed garlic and a little soy sauce, but I've also tried lemon juice, chopped cilantro leaves, ground cumin, even Tabasco sauce, etc.

Another thing I often spread on bread is canned tomato paste (the thick paste, not the watered-down sauce), also mixed with crushed garlic and other spices.

That sounds like Guacamole to me.
Avocado, onion, salt, pepper is the most basic gucamole. Add lemon juice so it doesnt turn brown.

Yeah you could add other stuff too like cilantro, tomato, seasonings, peppers (various), etc.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 04, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
So the stuff in Mexican food wasn't chosen for pragmatic reasons?

(http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/celebrity-pictures-james-hetfield-mexican-food.jpg)


(http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/tacobell.jpg)


(http://www.dogmine.com/fun/the_taco_bell_secret.jpg)


(I also can't stand Taco Bell because of the positive Che Guevara references in commercials.)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on February 04, 2010, 05:41:09 PM
Avocado, onion, salt, pepper is the most basic gucamole. Add lemon juice so it doesnt turn brown.

Yeah you could add other stuff too like cilantro, tomato, seasonings, peppers (various), etc.
I do avocados, green onions, lime juice, cilantro, tomato and garlic.

Garlic press FTW.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: hellbilly on February 04, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
That sounds like Guacamole to me.

THAT.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 20, 2010, 09:42:05 PM
From the "Frugal Tax Resister Diaries (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31739.15)" thread:


(0)  Please take some time to think about the logic of agorism before mocking others.

No shit, megatard.  I fucking told you like a hundred times you can buy meat on the DL, and leather is nothing more than external meat.  So stfu.

And I debunked your folly 101 times, and will again for as long as you continue to repeat yourself.  There's simply no rational reason for a serious agorist to eat meat, given that obtaining it "on the DL" is a very wasteful and even dangerous habit.  But fur and leather can come from anywhere, even an animal shot 100 years ago!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on February 20, 2010, 10:25:29 PM
From the "Frugal Tax Resister Diaries (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31739.15)" thread:


(0)  Please take some time to think about the logic of agorism before mocking others.

No shit, megatard.  I fucking told you like a hundred times you can buy meat on the DL, and leather is nothing more than external meat.  So stfu.

And I debunked your folly 101 times, and will again for as long as you continue to repeat yourself.  There's simply no rational reason for a serious agorist to eat meat, given that obtaining it "on the DL" is a very wasteful and even dangerous habit.  But fur and leather can come from anywhere, even an animal shot 100 years ago!


You obviously don't understand supply-demand.  When there is a demand, there will usually be profit in the supply.  However the market price works itself out in relation to alternatives is irrelevant.  It doesn't matter if you like it.  It doesn't matter if you agree with the optimum usage of another persons time or property. 

You seriously lack vision, and you keep proving it by making all these strong arguments against something that would ultimately be none of your business, which you'd simply choose not to buy like anything else you don't like.  You seem to understand and accept variety in every other situation, and even agree that it is good for a diverse economy.  But in this case, you're so wrapped up in your own ego, you lose the ability to rationalize a really fuckin' simple topic - and I think its fucking hilarious for someone who claims to be as intelligent as you do.  Its enormously gratifying to see you play out such a colossal failure, especially for so long. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 20, 2010, 10:42:48 PM
You bringing up "supply-demand" clearly demonstrates that you have no idea what's going on.  If simply buying your freedom was possible then there'd be no need for any of this!

And, yes, my ego (http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/self-esteem.html) is what it's all about.  I don't expect others to follow my commandments, I only publicize my own thought process about what is right for me and try to lead by example.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on February 21, 2010, 02:19:23 PM
You bringing up "supply-demand" clearly demonstrates that you have no idea what's going on.  If simply buying your freedom was possible then there'd be no need for any of this!

And, yes, my ego (http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/self-esteem.html) is what it's all about.  I don't expect others to follow my commandments, I only publicize my own thought process about what is right for me and try to lead by example.

Who will supply the transistors you need to eat?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Bill Brasky on February 21, 2010, 03:00:58 PM
You bringing up "supply-demand" clearly demonstrates that you have no idea what's going on.  If simply buying your freedom was possible then there'd be no need for any of this!


Backpedal, backpedal.  Supply-demand has everything to do with it.  You keep insisting there is no valid reason for anyone to eat meat, period.  You keep insisting there is no valid reason to produce meat, because it isn't financially rewarding in a cost-benefit ratio as compared to other uses of standing acreage.  Your failure to make the simple connection between the two is a laughable failure of logic so huge, its really mind-boggling.  It ignores almost the whole pie in a pie chart.  People have wants, their appetites are typical as a cross section and that wouldn't change much.  I grant you that there may be a little more granola in this crowd because of the social awareness being greater than the typical per capita numbers, but its not enough to overlook the supply chain entirely. 

Whitewashing the subject with crap like "freedom" and "tax resister" just because it doesn't dovetail with your personal tastes is moronic.  It illuminates your maladjustments and lack of awareness of your personal impact on the social order.  You equal one, no more no less.  Get that through your thick fucking skull before you blunder through another sociopathic decade. 
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 21, 2010, 03:46:28 PM
Who will supply the transistors you need to eat?

Focusing my diet on foods that can be economically grown by agorists in New Hampshire might be intended to be able to buy my food from...





Anyone?  Anyone? 


Supply-demand has everything to do with it.

I demand freedom from government.  Where's the supply?


You keep insisting there is no valid reason for anyone to eat meat, period.

I didn't say that.  I agree that meat, cheese, eggs, coffee, beer, etc are all quite tasty.  But, as Mr Spock would say, they're....  illogical!  Especially for a movement trying to grow a reliable and nutritious food supply on limited amounts of land without it being BrianTravised (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17356) away by the thugs.  It logically follows that such a movement would have to move away from the government-encouraged SAD (Standard American Diet) what's focused on animal products, and it's easier to quit all of them cold turkey rather than allow those things at an occasional opportunity.  It's like with smoking: most people either crave to smoke every day or they quit completely, usually there is no in-between.

So, yes, Alex Libman only eats vegetables, grains, legumes, and mushrooms that are nutritionally and agriculturally efficient in NH's climate.  I ain't keeping it a secret, and I ain't forcing it on anybody else - obviously.  I have every reason to believe that what I'm doing is beneficial for a whole list of aforementioned reasons, and you've failed to make a single point to the contrary. 

Deal with it.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on February 21, 2010, 07:34:28 PM
But transistors must be manufactured.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 22, 2010, 12:05:15 AM
But transistors must be manufactured.

I wonder if Hitler had a Jewish playmate like you early in his childhood...
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 22, 2010, 12:15:33 AM
Other forms of Agorism or Counter-Economics (collected from various sources):

Smuggling (humans, cigs, drugs)

Prostitution

Gold/Food Hoarding

Providing Sanctuary

Underground Railroads

Using Midwives

Unregistered Weapons/Cars/etc.

Avoidance of Regulations
   Unregulated Food Delivery
   Exotic Reptile Breeding (animal breeding)
   Exotic Mushroom Cultivation
   Speakeasies
   Private Insurance Agencies
   Ammo Creation
   Farming
   Brewing Soda
   Brewing Beer
   Gun Modifications



Buying or Producing Unapproved Food

Child Labor

Bartering

Illegal Immigration

Illegal Use of Substances (weed, etc)

Illegal Sex Acts

Competing Currency

Free Cab Services

Document Provider

File-sharing
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on February 22, 2010, 12:38:13 AM
But transistors must be manufactured.

I wonder if Hitler had a Jewish playmate like you early in his childhood...


I don't understand what you mean.

To conform to the transistor diet, you must eat transistors. While that may be dangerous, I don't see how it would create liberty.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: John Shaw on February 22, 2010, 12:42:24 AM
But transistors must be manufactured.

I wonder if Hitler had a Jewish playmate like you early in his childhood...


I don't understand what you mean.

To conform to the transistor diet, you must eat transistors. While that may be dangerous, I don't see how it would create liberty.

Transistors are made of chemical elements in Group IV in the periodic table of elements. That's stuff like silicon and germanium. I can't imagine getting a lot of nutritional value out of that. Alex, what sort of suppliments do you take to account for calcium, iron, that sort of thing? Also, do transistors have a lot of carbs?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 22, 2010, 12:49:52 AM
But transistors must be manufactured.

I wonder if Hitler had a Jewish playmate like you early in his childhood...


I don't understand what you mean.

To conform to the transistor diet, you must eat transistors. While that may be dangerous, I don't see how it would create liberty.

Transistors are made of chemical elements in Group IV in the periodic table of elements. That's stuff like silicon and germanium. I can't imagine getting a lot of nutritional value out of that. Alex, what sort of suppliments do you take to account for calcium, iron, that sort of thing? Also, do transistors have a lot of carbs?
Chipz in mah pillz!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 22, 2010, 01:10:10 AM
Other forms of Agorism or Counter-Economics  [...]

I believe all of the things you've listed should be legal, but some make for more effective resistance methods than others.  Remember that the only reason why the governments don't just cut any dissident's throat as soon as he begins to annoy them is public opinion - they need to maintain an illusion of benevolence.  The public is not going to care about tax resisters who financed themselves by pimping and selling drugs being thrown into prison for a very long time!

And, if we ever do have a secession standoff with the Feds that leads to a blockade, then agricultural self-sufficiency will be a lot more beneficial than anything else.  Look at successful secession movements: U.S. Revolution, Israeli Kibbutz, etc.  How successful do you think they would be if they had to import their basic survival necessities from the governments they were trying to secede from?!


Alex, what sort of [supplements] do you take to account for calcium, iron, that sort of thing

I still take above-ground store-bought vitamins that have 100% USDA of everything or more.  (One pill is a great multivitamin, and another is extra calcium to be super-sure I'm getting enough.)  I get enough of most micro-nutrients from vegetables and other foods, but supplements are very cheap (if you divide by days) and they ensure consistency.  If you dine on beans and snack on greens, not getting enough nutrition is next to impossible!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: John Shaw on February 22, 2010, 01:18:46 AM
Other forms of Agorism or Counter-Economics  [...]

I believe all of the things you've listed should be legal, but some make for more effective resistance methods than others.  Remember that the only reason why the governments don't just cut any dissident's throat as soon as he begins to annoy them is public opinion - they need to maintain an illusion of benevolence.  The public is not going to care about tax resisters who financed themselves by pimping and selling drugs being thrown into prison for a very long time!

And, if we ever do have a secession standoff with the Feds that leads to a blockade, then agricultural self-sufficiency will be a lot more beneficial than anything else.  Look at successful secession movements: U.S. Revolution, Israeli Kibbutz, etc.  How successful do you think they would be if they had to import their basic survival necessities from the governments they were trying to secede from?!


Alex, what sort of [supplements] do you take to account for calcium, iron, that sort of thing

I still take above-ground store-bought vitamins that have 100% USDA of everything or more.  (One pill is a great multivitamin, and another is extra calcium to be super-sure I'm getting enough.)  I get enough of most micro-nutrients from vegetables and other foods, but supplements are very cheap (if you divide by days) and they ensure consistency.  If you dine on beans and snack on greens, not getting enough nutrition is next to impossible!


Interesting, do you strip the plastic off first? I can't imagine that shrink wrap shell being digestible. Aw wait, that's a capacitor, sorry.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 22, 2010, 01:27:28 AM
Nice try, Shaw...

I got nuttin' but love for ya.

Deep down.  Nuttin' but love.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: John Shaw on February 22, 2010, 01:30:49 AM
Nice try, Shaw...

I got nuttin' but love for ya.

Deep down.  Nuttin' but love.

I don't understand.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on February 22, 2010, 01:38:00 AM
Other forms of Agorism or Counter-Economics  [...]

I believe all of the things you've listed should be legal, but some make for more effective resistance methods than others.  Remember that the only reason why the governments don't just cut any dissident's throat as soon as he begins to annoy them is public opinion - they need to maintain an illusion of benevolence.  The public is not going to care about tax resisters who financed themselves by pimping and selling drugs being thrown into prison for a very long time!

And, if we ever do have a secession standoff with the Feds that leads to a blockade, then agricultural self-sufficiency will be a lot more beneficial than anything else.  Look at successful secession movements: U.S. Revolution, Israeli Kibbutz, etc.  How successful do you think they would be if they had to import their basic survival necessities from the governments they were trying to secede from?!


Alex, what sort of [supplements] do you take to account for calcium, iron, that sort of thing

I still take above-ground store-bought vitamins that have 100% USDA of everything or more.  (One pill is a great multivitamin, and another is extra calcium to be super-sure I'm getting enough.)  I get enough of most micro-nutrients from vegetables and other foods, but supplements are very cheap (if you divide by days) and they ensure consistency.  If you dine on beans and snack on greens, not getting enough nutrition is next to impossible!


The best method of resistance is silicone.

You hit the nail on the head with your Machiavellian interpretation of the governments  actions. But transistors who use AMD tend to work faster.

The Israeli kibbutzes were miniature communist communes in a capitalist society, and got heavy government subsidies. They didn't develop any tech equipment so your argument that they were transistors doesn't work.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: John Shaw on February 22, 2010, 01:40:07 AM
Seems to me that you'd have to go through a lot of fiber to move those transistors through your system.

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 22, 2010, 01:28:37 PM
Other forms of Agorism or Counter-Economics  [...]

I believe all of the things you've listed should be legal, but some make for more effective resistance methods than others.  Remember that the only reason why the governments don't just cut any dissident's throat as soon as he begins to annoy them is public opinion - they need to maintain an illusion of benevolence.  The public is not going to care about tax resisters who financed themselves by pimping and selling drugs being thrown into prison for a very long time!

And, if we ever do have a secession standoff with the Feds that leads to a blockade, then agricultural self-sufficiency will be a lot more beneficial than anything else.  Look at successful secession movements: U.S. Revolution, Israeli Kibbutz, etc.  How successful do you think they would be if they had to import their basic survival necessities from the governments they were trying to secede from?!


Alex, what sort of [supplements] do you take to account for calcium, iron, that sort of thing

I still take above-ground store-bought vitamins that have 100% USDA of everything or more.  (One pill is a great multivitamin, and another is extra calcium to be super-sure I'm getting enough.)  I get enough of most micro-nutrients from vegetables and other foods, but supplements are very cheap (if you divide by days) and they ensure consistency.  If you dine on beans and snack on greens, not getting enough nutrition is next to impossible!


I'm dying for someone to try these and tell me how they are:

http://www.lifecaps.net/ingredients.shtml
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 22, 2010, 03:35:28 PM
Seems to me that you'd have to go through a lot of fiber to move those transistors through your system.

Googling "tax resister (http://www.google.com/search?q="Tax+Resister")" results in 37,500 hits.  It is the most befitting choice of words I can think of - if I'm wrong, please let me know, but otherwise your "transistor" jokes are no longer appropriate.

And, dude, on my diet virtually everything I eat has lots of fiber.  I get like 3-5x the recommended daily amount.

BTW, those daily recommendations are only a guesstimate, and a lot of government corruption was involved in making them.  For example, I'm pretty sure that the calcium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium#Nutrition) number came from the "minimum 3 servings a day" lobbying by the dairy industry - there isn't a bit of evidence that anyone in human history but the milk-guzzling Europeans ever got that much calcium and that it has any health benefits (a lot of "Okinawan coral calcium" claims are lies).  About 300mg ought to be enough for most people, which you can easily get from 200g of cooked collard greens or kale.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on February 22, 2010, 04:11:26 PM
Libman you know collards need to be cooked with some type of ham product.

You fucking know it!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 22, 2010, 04:13:59 PM
(http://www.lifecaps.net/images/supplemental-facts.jpg)

Problem solved.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 22, 2010, 04:28:38 PM
Nice try, Shaw...

I got nuttin' but love for ya.

Deep down.  Nuttin' but love.

I don't understand.

He wants to jizz on your face.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 22, 2010, 04:56:13 PM
Um, no (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32530).  My respect for Shaw is purely platonic.


Libman you know collards need to be cooked with some type of ham product.

You fucking know it!

I liked ham products in large quantities and without and nasty green stuff in them.  :lol:

But now I'm in a war - to reclaim by body, my economic independence from evil, and my life!


[Supplement Facts nutrition label image]

Problem solved.

Exactly.

I get more than enough vitamins from veggies, obviously, but it's nice to be sure I fill the gap on those monotone days when I mainly eat legumes and grains.  I often run out of fresh greens 2-3 days after shopping, and sometimes I only bother going shopping once a week, but I do eat large quantities of fresh tomatoes and/or tomato paste, avocados, onions, peppers, etc every day though.

It actually makes sense to get some minerals from supplements: plants just get them from soil without changing them much, so why not just cut out the middle-man (or middle-lifeform) the way I do with meat.  Of course there are hundreds of different nutrients, so you can't use supplements for everything, just the main essential minerals like calcium, potassium, etc - and of course vitamins D and B12.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Laetitia on February 22, 2010, 05:13:22 PM

But now I'm in a war - to reclaim by body, my economic independence from evil, and my life!


Exactly.


I have a great deal of respect for taking charge of one's health & finances by cutting out the list of chemicals that go into all the steps between food leaving the farm and ending up in a box or bag, and all the extra cost that goes with it. Calling it a "tax resister" diet just makes you sound like a fellow in a tinfoil hat.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 22, 2010, 07:14:03 PM
Hey now, wearing tinfoil or similar hats (or even armor) may have scientifically-verifiable practical value some time in the future.  Don't knock it without a good reason.

And, no, I could never get myself to change the way I eat (or drink, or smoke) just for the sake of my health.  Agorism and tax resistance is what pushed me over the edge.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 22, 2010, 07:41:17 PM
Tinfoil actually increases the strength of radiowaves, so the thought-control rays from the mothership will just be stronger if you wear tinfoil.

What you want is a lead helmet and make sure to sleep in a Faraday cage.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 22, 2010, 11:32:27 PM
Um, no (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32530).  My respect for Shaw is purely platonic.


Libman you know collards need to be cooked with some type of ham product.

You fucking know it!

I liked ham products in large quantities and without and nasty green stuff in them.  :lol:

But now I'm in a war - to reclaim by body, my economic independence from evil, and my life!


[Supplement Facts nutrition label image]

Problem solved.

Exactly.

I get more than enough vitamins from veggies, obviously, but it's nice to be sure I fill the gap on those monotone days when I mainly eat legumes and grains.  I often run out of fresh greens 2-3 days after shopping, and sometimes I only bother going shopping once a week, but I do eat large quantities of fresh tomatoes and/or tomato paste, avocados, onions, peppers, etc every day though.

It actually makes sense to get some minerals from supplements: plants just get them from soil without changing them much, so why not just cut out the middle-man (or middle-lifeform) the way I do with meat.  Of course there are hundreds of different nutrients, so you can't use supplements for everything, just the main essential minerals like calcium, potassium, etc - and of course vitamins D and B12.


Just remember that supplements like vitamins do not have the calories necessary to maintain weight so you would still have to keep eating a variety of other foods, as you are doing.  Why dont you set out some rabbit traps or go hunting for squirrel? It should be a good source of food for one person and satisfy a lot of your dietary means involving meat. The greater variety, the better.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 22, 2010, 11:38:10 PM
I eat tons of vegetables, legumes, grains, mushrooms, etc.  I get about 3000 calories daily, about 15% of which are from protein (more if I eat lots of beans or use soy flour, etc), and plenty of essential fatty acids from avocados, olives, etc.

I already addressed the "why not eat untaxed meat" issue above - it's psychologically easier to quit it all at once, without teasing yourself.  Only then your body eventually adjusts, you stop craving meat, and your brain regains the ability to recognize how great vegetables taste.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 22, 2010, 11:47:49 PM
I eat tons of vegetables, legumes, grains, mushrooms, etc.  I get about 3000 calories daily, about 15% of which are from protein (more if I eat lots of beans or use soy flour, etc), and plenty of essential fatty acids from avocados, olives, etc.

I already addressed the "why not eat untaxed meat" issue above - it's psychologically easier to quit it all at once, without teasing yourself.  Only then your body eventually adjusts, you stop craving meat, and your brain regains the ability to recognize how great vegetables taste.


Hmm I suppose psychologically it would be beneficial to go cold turkey, but personally I would consider keeping various small animals (turkey, rabbits, chickens) to be so simple and worth the time.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 23, 2010, 01:12:52 AM
Nope, quitting all animal products completely is the way to go, so that your tastes change.  Quiting sweets, all beverages but water, and the other things I've mentioned also helps because they make you crave meat.  The phrase "cold turkey (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/cold+turkey)" implies quiting rapidly, which isn't necessary - I'd recommend phasing it out gradually while you learn to shop and cook in ways that are consistent with the Tax Resister Diet.

And about keeping small animals - the government thugs (or their cheerleaders (http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=25825)) could yell "animal abuse" and crack down at any time...  Remember what they did to Brian Travis?  :x
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 23, 2010, 01:26:49 AM
Nope, quitting all animal products completely is the way to go, so that your tastes change.  Quiting sweets, all beverages but water, and the other things I've mentioned also helps because they make you crave meat.  The phrase "cold turkey (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/cold+turkey)" implies quiting rapidly, which isn't necessary - I'd recommend phasing it out gradually while you learn to shop and cook in ways that are consistent with the Tax Resister Diet.

And about keeping small animals - the government thugs (or their cheerleaders (http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=25825)) could yell "animal abuse" and crack down at any time...  Remember what they did to Brian Travis?  :x


Sweets huh?  What about (available here in WI, so I assume there in NH) Fruits: Strawberries, raspberries, cranberries apples (various fruits etc.).

Or Maple Syrup, Rhubarb, or Sugar from Beets?
Get your fill of sweet foods man!

As to the gov crackdown, perhaps free range turkeys are your style? Just let them roam and pretend you have no control over them, the gov will never know they're yours.

Edit: they wont need a chicken coop or anything like that mostly. They will find their own place to perch, and you can just put feeders outdoors and build them a shed for the winter which they will mostly ignore.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 23, 2010, 01:38:01 AM
Also Honey.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 23, 2010, 01:59:53 AM
A healthy vegan diet is still a struggle between junk carbs and healthy carbs, as well as essential fats, and especially protein as a percentage of your caloric intake.  Apples only have 2% calories from protein, honey has just 0.4%, and maple sap or refined sugar have zilch.  If you're a skinny girl a bit of honey won't hurt you, but if you're a guy trying to lose fat while keeping his muscles then you can't afford to water down your food with any additional sugar, no matter how natural.

Berries are OK.  Strawberries have 8.4% of their calories from protein, raspberries are 7.7%, but cranberries are 3.4%.  With larger fruit it's easy to get too much carb junk, so I've completely cut out most of them, most notably apples.  Tropical fruit is a no-no because of New Hampshire's climate, and valuable greenhouse space is best used for shelves of greens instead of fruit trees.  There are no known micro-nutrients that fruits have that greens and other vegetables don't have in much higher amounts.


PS: why double-post when you can edit?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 23, 2010, 12:20:14 PM
I was tired and busy doing other things when I thought of it, so I just quick-posted and moved on.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on February 24, 2010, 05:25:12 PM
Super easy to make.  Just perlite, an aquarium heater, plastic containers, substrate jars and a few spore syringes to get you started.  You can make the substrate jars with a pressure cooker or buy them online tax free!  Then buy yourself some spores of tasty morels, oyster, or shitakes and you're growing.  Then take a spore print for further use.  It may not be efficient to the extent you desire for your diet, but I think you should enjoy the exquisite flavors the world has to offer. 

http://www.mushbox.com/usa.php (http://www.mushbox.com/usa.php)

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Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 24, 2010, 05:48:32 PM
Yeah, mushrooms rule (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=29041.msg582970#msg582970)!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on February 24, 2010, 06:39:09 PM
Hey, this is off topic but I've been getting some crap from the global warming guys on facebook so I took some stuff from our global warming thread on here and compiled it for facebook sharing. Content is below, copy and share!

Quote
<h1>A collection of links to help believers notice that there is indeed plenty of room to be skeptical.</h1>

I'm a fan of science and all the methods and procedures of good science, which is why I'm on the fence regarding all the things being spouted out regarding global warming now aka "climate change." I dont think anyone is denying "climate change," the climate has changed, is changing, and will change. What we disagree on is "how it changes, how fast it changes, why it changes, and what is it changing into." The big one regarding government action should be "WHY."

First read this article, to see a broad overview of some of the problems with the climate change movement:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-great-global-warming-collapse/article1458206/


The UN Climate Panel frequently spouts statistics without data to back them up:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7017907.ece

Turning the situation regarding following sources into a "heard it from a friend who heard it from...who heard it from" situation.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.8d6e5773c60565dfc6e882b0a8dcbf18.4e1&show_article=1

Since the UN's panel disagreed with Indias own conflicting data on the Himalyan Ice Caps, the Indians separated and formed their own panel.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7157590/India-forms-new-climate-change-body.html
Quoted from the breitbart.com article:
"No evidence could be found to show the claim had been published in a peer-reviewed journal and reports in Britain have said the reference came from green group the WWF, who in turn sourced it to the New Scientist magazine."

The Czech President also says climate change meetings are just hot air:
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE58L6ID20090922

OK Politics aside,

More Errors: Rising water? Scientists withdrew those claims do to errors in calculations:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/21/sea-level-geoscience-retract-siddall

The Climategate Scandal that exposed withheld and deleted scientific data and emails, which completely negates any effectiveness of a "peer review process."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_hacking_incident

CO2 Claims Inaccurate:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm

Taking data from multiple sources, then cherry picking the sources to take data later, then combining the data to come up with statistics (in order to adjust average temperatures to appear higher of course):
http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Scientists+using+selective+temperature+data+skeptics/2468634/story.html

Global Warming and Extra CO2 Makes Trees Grow Faster:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/global-warming-makes-trees-grow-at-fastest-rate-for-200-years-1886342.html

ETC (Polar Bears, DDT, Emissions)
http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/ten-antianticommandments-and-lord-moncktons-verbal-bombs-20100201-n72y.html

Tell me which of these sites is a biased conservative news site, OK?

Don't forget to insert some photos.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: blackie on February 24, 2010, 07:10:24 PM
You can make the substrate jars with a pressure cooker or buy them online tax free!  Then buy yourself some spores of tasty morels, oyster, or shitakes and you're growing. 
You can sterilize substrate jars without a pressure cooker. A normal pot with a lid and boiling water will work for many substrates. The substrate you use depends on the type of shrooms you are growing.

But it is very labor intensive, and doesn't have a good yield compared to other methods. It's good for beginners because it is easy.

This is basically the PF Tek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PF_Tek) method.

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 24, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
You're right, anarchir - that is completely off-topic, and we have a number of much better threads for debunking the Global Warming hoax.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: The ghost of a ghost of a ghost on February 24, 2010, 08:39:14 PM
You can make the substrate jars with a pressure cooker or buy them online tax free!  Then buy yourself some spores of tasty morels, oyster, or shitakes and you're growing. 
You can sterilize substrate jars without a pressure cooker. A normal pot with a lid and boiling water will work for many substrates. The substrate you use depends on the type of shrooms you are growing.

But it is very labor intensive, and doesn't have a good yield compared to other methods. It's good for beginners because it is easy.

This is basically the PF Tek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PF_Tek) method.



Yeah, I'm a beginner, what other methods are more efficient?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: rickmoranis on April 10, 2010, 04:25:57 PM
If you are going vegan just watch these to know which foods to eat
http://tinyurl.com/drgreger1
http://tinyurl.com/drgreger2
http://tinyurl.com/drgreger3
http://tinyurl.com/drgreger

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and not sure if a vegan diet is optimal
http://tinyurl.com/thevegetarianmyth
http://tinyurl.com/thevegetarianmyth1
http://tinyurl.com/thevegetarianmyth2
http://tinyurl.com/thevegetarianmyth3
http://tinyurl.com/thevegetarianmyth4
http://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/bh22e/dr_greger_why_dont_vegetarianvegans_live_longer/ (video)

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http://tinyurl.com/garytaubesbook
http://tinyurl.com/fhmovie
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on April 10, 2010, 04:44:26 PM
wat
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 10, 2010, 06:26:40 PM
I thought Rick Moranis was dead.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on May 18, 2010, 01:44:48 AM
Anyone else attempting this diet?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Ecolitan on May 18, 2010, 04:21:34 PM
Not exclusively, I buy tax free when it's convenient and feel warm and fuzzy about it.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on May 19, 2010, 04:17:20 AM
I'm still on it, but I started taking fish oil capsules - just in case.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on June 27, 2010, 09:09:22 AM
OK, so I slipped up about four weeks ago - not that I couldn't control myself (the cravings were pretty much gone for months before then).  You see, my eyes have been feeling very over-strained and light-sensitive lately, even more-so than usual, and I just wanted to experiment to see if adding meat back to my diet would help, just in case it was something nutritional.  After ~9 months of zero animal foods, I had 2-3 days of total meat depravity, yet again proving to myself that 100% vegan is the way to go.  It all started with a bit of fish, but then it opened up the floodgates to a huge meat-feast - once I started I just couldn't stop until I downed like five kilos of beef, pork, and chicken.  I just have no portion control whatsoever when it comes to meat!  What's weird is that I felt weird hormonal / psycho-chemical changes, like it was cocaine or something - I was very irritated, and when something pissed me off (as often is the case when you're forum liber-trolling or C++ programming all day) I almost punched through every wall in the house!  And the worst part is, almost a month later, I'm still craving more meat, like I did when I first went vegan - I hope the cravings don't take as long to go away the second time around.  So I'm never buying meat again, ever!  I don't even want to be within one mile of anything meaty!  Man, it's even harder going through the withdrawal symptoms the second time around...  If I'm somewhere where I smell meat grilling (and during the withdrawal process your sense of smell really increases), I feel like I'd sell my soul for a piece of meat...  :x

In other news, I'm trying to cut out the grains from my diet, or at least all grains except buckwheat (gluten free), but especially bread.  I think the meat cravings are stronger on days when I don't eat as much beans, so I'm thinking of upping my diet to just beans and vegetables (mostly leafy ones, at least 20% calories from protein), and adding protein supplements as well.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on June 27, 2010, 01:24:41 PM
Wow your body is telling you it craves meat?  What a fucking surprise.  I can't believe humans would crave meat.  Those Canine teeth we were all born with obviously weren't for eating meat  :shock: :?
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on June 27, 2010, 01:44:06 PM
All those are appeals to primitivism - human beings evolved to survive by whatever means they could, but then we invented farming, civilization, technology, and science.  Like I said on my "rejection of supernormal stimuli (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=33744)" thread, many of our million-year-old instincts are no longer relevant.  Eating meat no longer makes any rational sense.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: yamnuska on June 28, 2010, 01:49:34 AM
I prefer the paleolithic/caveman diet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet

http://www.cavemanpower.com/food/caveman_power_diet.html

Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on June 28, 2010, 05:09:09 AM
Cavemen were always starving, which is why they didn't have any of our so-called "diseases of affluence".  A meat-rich diet + modern unavoidable sedentary lifestyle + my total inability to control my portions + my awful genetics == instant heart attack!  More importantly, all that meat and seafood is uneconomical and highly subsidized / regulated by the state.

Imagine yourself on a spaceship headed to another star system - having food gardens on board makes perfect sense, because plants exist in a perfect symbiotic relationship with humans.  Plants filter our air, they smell nice, they look nice, they recycle our waste, and some people even find them psychologically desirable to have around for other reasons as well.  Having a pig farm on your spaceship would require like 10-100x more resources, and for what, more cholesterol?!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: yamnuska on June 28, 2010, 05:31:58 AM
Someday I'm going to die, in the meantime I will eat what I think tastes good. I don't want to eat nothing but plants for the next 30 years, how boring. i live to eat and if people got off their fucking asses and did some exercise, well, they wouldn't have to worry about weight would they? Everything in moderation, I'm not about to go eat a 12 ounce steak everyday, just as I'm not about to eat nothing but veg for a month. Portions people get in the average restaurant are like days worth of food. Buffets, like Jesus fucking H Christ, what are people thinking? It doesn't help that most of our food has corn syrup in it either, even the god damn bread. We need real sugar, cane sugar so kids can get a true sugar high and bounce of the walls out in the field for the whole day. As a kid in the winter I'd be outside all day when I was not in prison/school, playing hockey, now all the kids are inside playing video games. Hard physical labour, shovel out horse stalls all day and you could eat whatever the fuck you want.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4DP-dpxxq3Q/SXU1KOPVekI/AAAAAAAAARs/Laj01rd5IbU/s320/buffet.jpg)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on June 28, 2010, 06:49:50 AM
Dyin's for commies!

Aside from being totally willing to heroically die in defiance of government, my contingency plan is to live forever through a combination of spinach, stem cell therapy, nano-surgery, whole-body transplants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole-body_transplant), cryonics, cloning, brain visualization, time dilation (http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=41354), etc - and probably in that order, which means I better be munching on spinach if I want to live long enough for those other things to boost my longevity.

I used to be a buffet's worst nightmare.  Growing up in Commie Russia might have caused this somehow.  If I allow myself to enjoy my food - wham, I swell back toward 400lb instead of slowly shrinking toward 200lb as I am now (and much of that is muscle).
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on August 02, 2010, 09:58:10 AM
No longer having me as their top natural predator seems to have affected bovine behavior in some unexpected ways...  This documentary footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY) was shot on a ranch from where I used to purchase my steaks:

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:shock: (http://btjunkie.org/search?q=%22bbc+the+private+life+of%22+XviD+MVGroup&o=41)
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on August 10, 2010, 12:08:29 AM
From Commiedot -- Kids Who Watch Popeye Cartoons Eat More Vegetables (http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/08/09/1545214/Kids-Who-Watch-Popeye-Cartoons-Eat-More-Vegetables) --

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Popeye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye#Theatrical_cartoons) cartoons, tasting parties, and junior cooking classes can help increase vegetable intake in kindergarten children (http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20100806/964/new-research-childrens-vegetable-intake-linked-to-popeye-cartoons.htm), according to new research published in the journal Nutrition & Dietetics.

Researchers at Mahidol University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahidol_University) in Bangkok found the type and amount of vegetables children ate improved after they took part in a program using multimedia and role models to promote healthy food.  Twenty six kindergarten children aged four to five participated in the eight-week study.  The researchers recorded the kinds and amounts of fruit and vegetables eaten by the children before and after the program.

I think growing your own food or buying it from local farms (where the kids can help out during the picking season) might have the same effect.  People can form much stronger psychological relationship with their food - imagine being able to tell which tree or bush each piece of fruit came from by taste alone!  Yet another great reason to start a backyard veggie greenhouse / orchard / etc - fun for the whole family, and the kids will be more motivated to eat what they help grow!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: mrapplecastle on August 17, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
I watched popeye as a kid, and always liked spinach, I even been to the manufacturing plant in arkansas where I took a photo with the giant statue of popeye they have there.
On a side note I had spinach in my lunch today, and for tomorrow...bean burritos!

*What about potatoes? Everybody likes potatoes, the irish basically lived off them right? I think I've heard russians are quite found of them too.  :D
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on August 18, 2010, 08:37:59 AM
Potatoes are a guilty pleasure because they're only 8% (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=potato) calories from protein, the rest being pretty low-ranking junk-carbs.  On most days I'd rather fill my allowance of junk-carbs on bread or fruit (meaning in a popular rather than botanical sense, excluding fruits like tomatoes which are commonly thought of as vegetables).  Good bread has ~2 times more protein than potatoes (or even more if you add soy / legume flour), and a few fruits have as much protein as potatoes or more (oranges 8%, peaches 9%, apricots 12%, cantaloupe 12%, and my favorite fruit: lemons 13-16%).  Those fruits do a lot more to add variety to a bean-centric diet than potatoes do.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on August 18, 2010, 01:15:34 PM
Perhaps you should grow some pepper varieties. There are many different flavors of peppers (sweet to hot) and if you use small amounts you can make every meal taste different. Or just an herb garden. Get some basil, chives, and mint and you can cover just about any dish.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on August 18, 2010, 04:38:43 PM
Yeah, I use lots of dried herbs and spices, from Mexican to Italian to Ukrainian to Korean.  I also use a lot of pickled things in my cooking - ginger and especially garlic are my specialty.  I like baking things into / onto my bread, literally dozens of different ingredients, including various herbs and seeds.  I'd like to rediscover my Russian roots with more pickled mushrooms, though I don't have the time to shop for things anymore.  I once used more vinegars, teas, and wines in cooking, but I no longer do.  There were a ton of different ethnic stores back in Jersey, but now that I live in the middle of nowhere I like to keep things simple.  I also don't use any oils, fish sauces, faggy vegan substitutes, etc.

As for growing stuff myself - yeah, that's a long term goal...
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: mrapplecastle on August 18, 2010, 06:35:55 PM
What about peanuts? I've also heard a lot about how good hemp seed is supposed to be for you, you should be able to cultivate both of those pretty easily, especially the latter.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on August 19, 2010, 06:28:35 AM
Peanuts are too fatty, not particularly tasty, and not as nutritionally beneficial as avocados (yum!), olives, and seeds.

Plus the Agriculture Department has a hard-on for subsidizing peanuts for some reason, as if we're all protein-deprived Filipino children.  Do not want!
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: anarchir on August 31, 2010, 10:21:41 PM
http://sinpermiso.soup.io/post/74146346/The-Tax-Resistor-Diet

I gave this page a review on my blog.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on September 01, 2010, 12:16:05 PM
You rule, anarchir!  Great blog also.

Thank you very much - nothing in the world feels better than to be understood.  Of course this thread is a mess of injected discussions about dumpster diving and eating bugs, etc, but thus is the nature of online forums.  My "trolling" is a part of a brainstorming process, which I hope will eventually evolve from forums to a site once my ideas solidify.  (AlexLibman.com hasn't been up in like a decade.)


I've stuck to this diet about 95% (5% being tea and occasional cigs) to 100% from October to June.  For some reason black tea turned out to be the most addictive substance in my universe - I still drink tons of it every day.  I occasionally smoked a pack of cigarettes just out of the blue, like one pack every couple of months, but now I've quit for good - but I can't quit tea.

From around June, I've stick to it about 90%.  I found this diet easier to stick to at wintertime, when large portions of hearty pea soup or a spicy bean stew always satisfy, but by late spring I was eating less legumes and more carb junk (i.e. fruits), and I felt I wasn't getting enough protein, so I've decided to include a little "unlicensed" fish.  (Protein percentages are probably less important than I make them out to be, so my main rational excuse was that my eyes became more sensitive to light, so I wanted to make sure it wasn't due to absence of a natural animal-based vitamin like D or B12 - seems like it wasn't.)  Yup, I've wrestled those "sea kittens" out of a local "public" lake all by myself, and the only "license" I have is a suspended driver's license from New Jersey (for which they wanted a zillion dollar fine the last time they knew where I lived).  :roll:

So now I'm getting ready to go for 100% again, having redefined the rules to allow tea.  Anything can be grown in greenhouses, obviously.  Tea isn't the most productive use of greenhouse space in terms of nutrition (its antioxidant properties are mostly hype compared to leafy green veggies), and I thought it was sexy to be able to say "I only drink water", but I just can't make that work.  Herbal teas with lemon also don't work - I needs my black tea.  I guess it's the caffeine.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: mrapplecastle on September 02, 2010, 08:13:43 PM
I've read this thread once but forget, so I wanted to ask, have you started baking your own bread yet?
I plan on doing this pretty soon, I'm unsatisfied with the bread available to me at grocery stores, not because of quality but because all the shit thats in it.
Title: Re: The Tax Resister Diet
Post by: Alex Libman on September 02, 2010, 09:06:14 PM
I didn't, only because I know a local Ukrainian lady who bakes awesome bread, and I've been her #1 customer for about a year now, helping her tinker with the recipes (ex. mixing in nut and legume flours, etc).  Specialization of labor FTW!  I hope the same will apply to growing stuff as well.