The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights

[BonerJoe]

Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?

Don't call yourself a Muslim then. It has the same effect as saying you're an Anarchist.

[The Muslim Agorist]

Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?

Not on my property

Hey half wit! This isn't about building on your property! I want to know if you "have the balls" to point a gun at me and force me not to build on my property.

[TimeLady Victorious]

Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?

Not on my property

Hey half wit! This isn't about building on your property! I want to know if you "have the balls" to point a gun at me and force me not to build on my property.

No, because I am not Swiss.

[Rillion]

I support freedom for those who support freedom.  I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.

Sorry, that's not how it works.  People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't.   And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group.  I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.

If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.

Who said anything about supporting that group?  You're not supporting anybody in particular by refusing to authorize the government to forcefully dictate what they may do with their bodies and property if they're not harming anyone.  You're supporting freedom in general.  That freedom includes advocacy of ideas you don't like. 

[TimeLady Victorious]

I support freedom for those who support freedom.  I don't see any of that from CAIR, or from European Islam in general.

Sorry, that's not how it works.  People who really support freedom have to be bigger people than those who don't.   And "European Islam" is not a monolithic group.  I knew plenty of Muslims in Europe who support your freedom.

If I see people carrying out "honor killings," saying that they wish to conquer Europe, and generally promoting violence, and it nearly all seems to be from one group, then there's no way I can support that group.

Who said anything about supporting that group?  You're not supporting anybody in particular by refusing to authorize the government to forcefully dictate what they may do with their bodies and property if they're not harming anyone.  You're supporting freedom in general.  That freedom includes advocacy of ideas you don't like.  

I refuse to advocate the freedom of groups which are actively against my freedom.

Also, for the issue in general, can you give me specific examples of good, integrating European Muslims denouncing non-integrated ones and the negative aspects of their culture that they bring from their native countries, and also provide a fairly recent example of a Western government attempting to reach out to their Muslim population about a culture issue and being met with understanding and compromise? Preferably a European government, because that's sort of what we're talking about here: the Swiss voted against this because of fear of Muslims not integrating into a largely secular Europe.

[hellbilly]

Amnesty International and others want to make this about freedom of religion. That’s a red herring in my opinion. This is about property rights.

Nice spin.

[blackie]

Hey, have your minaret. You annoy me with the fucking loudspeaker on top for the call to prayer though. Same thing with Catholic church bells. Don't bother me with your religious noise.

I feel the same way about the internal combustion engine.

[Diogenes The Cynic]

You're attacking this from the wrong angle.

Care to elaborate?

Their reason for the ban was because the Swiss saw the minarets as political symbols. Thats just factually untrue.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/11/29/switzerland.minaret.referendum/index.html

[AL the Inconspicuous]

So they finally admit that government is a faith-based religion? 

[Riddler]

Yeah.  That's Republican talk-- "We support freedom, but only for ourselves.  Screw those people we don't like." 

If you only support freedom for people you agree with, you don't actually support freedom at all. 

yeah, those swiss are a raging pack of far-right, republicans.....

fuckers are THE most liberal, leftists on the planet

[The Muslim Agorist]

Fixed the link... oops
The Swiss minaret ban damages property rights

[Riddler]

someone posting on your link hit it spot-on:

...''The Swiss did not ban mosques, they banned minarets. USA and other countries should follow suit. When Saudi Arabia and the other twenty-odd Islamic countries permit church bell towers, or even carrying a Bible, then the issue of building minarets can be revisited. ''......


i love how muslims love to ban anything ''offensive to islam or allah'' around the world, yet are the most INTOLERANT fucking group of people to ever walk the face of this planet..........

with that, i say shutthefuckup, whining cunts.
how are the property rights doin in pickafuckingislamic country?

[Andy]

Hey fascist, I support your freedom. I'm not killing anyone, or conquering anyone. Can I have my minaret or do you support collective guilt too?

Don't call yourself a Muslim then. It has the same effect as saying you're an Anarchist.

Pretty much this.

Mark had a line a while back, "that's a nice religion you got there pal, but it's not Christianity," I don't see why that doesn't apply to Islam.

That said banning minarets is silly.

[Rillion]

Yeah.  That's Republican talk-- "We support freedom, but only for ourselves.  Screw those people we don't like." 

If you only support freedom for people you agree with, you don't actually support freedom at all. 

yeah, those swiss are a raging pack of far-right, republicans.....

fuckers are THE most liberal, leftists on the planet

I wasn't talking about the Swiss. 

[AL the Inconspicuous]

[...]  how are the property rights doin in pickafuckingislamic country?

Strongest in the world, actually.