The new Ron Paul "Big Dog" Ad... and the Sad Realization it Triggered....

[Kelvin]

My immediate response to this Ron Paul Ad:

New Ron Paul Ad - BIG DOG

Awesome!  Ron Paul Rocks!

Then a terrible realization set in....

You know, if RP were to get the nomination, it would scare the living shit out of the sheeple.  The MSM would deamonize him like they have never savaged a candidate before in the history of civilization. 

The average person has been programmed at .gov schools and universities and Tee-Vee media for subservience and obedience.  Change which challenges their programming threatens their world view.  They would likely vote for O'Bama on the "Devil you know" theory.

They were indoctrinated with the idea that it is the proper place (and obligation!) for the government is to be their mommy and daddy from cradle to grave.  This way they and their neighbors would not have to take responsibility for their own lives and choices, and they would be "safe" and "cared for" at government expense. 

They don't seem to realize (or maybe more accurately care) that the money to do this comes from the pockets of the working people (under therat of violence). 

They generally believe that believe that "if it is legal it is good, if it is illegal it is bad."  And in most cases you can substitute "religion" for "government."

Not to go off an a tangent, but have you noticed that they often seem to be one in the same, at least in terms of what they find to be "good and bad?"

-Kelvin

[John Shaw]

1. The are no "Sheeple". There's just people like you and me and that guy over there. S'gonna make you crazy if you keep dehumanizing potential allies.

2. Ron Paul can not and will not save us. He is a politician.

3. Government IS a religion, just like any other. Believing in shit that isn't so no matter how many lives it costs is a deep faith in a strong religion.

4. Ron Paul can not and will not save us.



It's a cute video, though.

[Kelvin]

"1. The are no "Sheeple". There's just people like you and me and that guy over there. S'gonna make you crazy if you keep dehumanizing potential allies."

Good Point.

I believe you are correct there.  These _are_ the people we are trying to reach.  I guess I used the term here with my philosophical "comrades" out of frustration. 

I know so many people how won't even consider questioning they "believe" (even though they have likely never given much thought to it).  You can point out inconsistencies and (what seems to me) obvious right and wrong and the laws of economics all day long, but they are stuck in their world and won't come out.  I guess they probably say the same about me.

In a way it's like Ian "conversing with Scott "The Bigot."

And you're also correct about Ron Paul.  I guess the emotional side of me gets excited about having the prospect of actually voting _for_someone_ rather than against someone, or the lesser of 2 evils, or a total "protest vote" for the LP candidate.  I get my hopes up and get excited at the prospect of drastically reducing the size, cost, and power of the .gov and the blood rushes away from the big head - oops, I meant brain....

Intellectually, I don't think Ron Paul is our collective-personal savior, but maybe he can help turn the tide.  And he is doing this right now, by getting at least some of the people to think a little outside the box, regardless of the outcome of next November's  3-card-Monty.

Thanks for your comments!

[Turd Ferguson]

4. Ron Paul can not and will not save us.

Ron Paul CAN save us, and he WILL save us.......all of us. I just know he can!   

*runs away crying*

[Bill Berry]

Dr. Paul wants to keep "fill in the blank" from saving us. He wants us to make it or not on our own merits.

[John Shaw]

Dr. Paul wants to keep "fill in the blank" from saving us. He wants us to make it or not on our own merits.

I want that too, and I will have the exact same amount of success as Ron Paul in doing so if I ran for office, which is zero.

Ron Paul will get between .3% and 1.5% of the popular vote. Just like every liberty minded candidate. Just like always since forever.

I totally get that hearing mainstream press about "one of ours" is very exciting and everything, but try to pull yourself outside of the liberty echo chamber for some percentage of the time and you'll see that Ron Paul is the "On the lighter side of politics hyuk hyuk hyuk!" candidate.

Ron Paul is what the media talks about on the slow days, when Squicky McMormon and Uncle Tom and The Adulterer and Shotgun "Aw Shucks" Cumslut and that Little girl from "Aliens" aren't making press.

Please don't justify their system by voting or spending money on campaigns. It won't make you a bad person but I'm certain that you have better and more productive things to do with your time and money. Like masturbation and burning it, respectively.

You don't make the KKK stop lynching black dudes by joining up and trying to change it from the inside. You just keep screaming that lynching people is bad and wrong. You don't make the government stop using force on people by joining up and trying to change it from the inside. You just keep screaming that threatening people with violence is wrong.

Rational arguments are for rational people. Government people are, to a man (woman) in no way rational. Even bless me and slap me on the ass Jeezus Ron Paul.

*Sigh*

Sorry if that sounded like a lecture. S'just hard watching people with good intentions and lots of motivation and intelligence get married to bad ideas.

[Lothar]

Ron Paul Campaign Ad: Ron Bless America - Conan O'Brien on TBS

[anarchir]

Please don't justify their system by voting or spending money on campaigns. It won't make you a bad person but I'm certain that you have better and more productive things to do with your time and money. Like masturbation and burning it, respectively.

Concisely put.

[alaric89]

Kinda funny how that little voice in the back of my head is always right. Now I am justa gonna own my little support for Leno. I thought I was just fucking with Brasky and QuickMike for giggles.

I really don't get the libertarian anti Ron Paul people at all.
Are we going to try to fix the US or at least get it in the right direction, or are us 1.5% (on a good day) going to try and "peaceful protest" or hide til they simply hunt us down and kill us.
It is only a matter of time before somebody does get life in prison for filming the police if things don't change. After that we are finished or we will have to start fighting.
Ron Paul and every other politico is the only way to get some sort of peaceful transition, most likely he'll at least get a baby step or two in the right direction.
It is called incrementalism.
I would rather have Obama then any of the other Republican nominees anyway.

[John Shaw]

I really don't get the libertarian anti Ron Paul people at all.

I am not anti Ron Paul.

I am anti joining the KKK to change it from the inside. The KKK is bad. You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

My beef is that it's a money and time sink the won't point anyone in the "Right direction"

The only "Directions" there are, are "Cooperating with bad people" and "Not cooperating with bad people." and "Actively antagonizing bad people."

So let me sum up three more times:

You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

I really don't get the libertarian anti Ron Paul people at all.

I am not anti Ron Paul.

I am anti joining the KKK to change it from the inside. The KKK is bad. You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

My beef is that it's a money and time sink the won't point anyone in the "Right direction"

The only "Directions" there are, are "Cooperating with bad people" and "Not cooperating with bad people." and "Actively antagonizing bad people."

So let me sum up three more times:

You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

John, the Socialists took over the US government from the inside.  That's exactly how the Libertarians need to do it.  We already have a model that works, we just need to use it.

[John Shaw]

John, the Socialists took over the US government from the inside.  That's exactly how the Libertarians need to do it.  We already have a model that works, we just need to use it.

The socialists wanted government. We do not. They took over a thing they wanted.

We (Or at least I) do not want government. I do not want a monster truck, therefore I do not purchase a monster truck.

You don't join the KKK to stop lynchings.

In summation, government is a monster truck.

[Osborne]

I hate to dispose of all my anarchist cred, but I can't help it. Ron Paul gets me moist.

[Fred]

John, you wouldn't have anywhere near the same success that Ron Paul has had.


I hope you realize that he's the only politician that is actually saying things that freedom lovers agree with. 

How can you belittle that contribution to modern day media? 

Yea, he won't go anywhere, but goddamn the mouth on that motherfucker!

[Pilot_MKN]

I believe in what Harry Browne advocated: the point of a libertarian running for office is to EDUCATE people, not to WIN. If you judge Ron by that measure, I believe he's been a huge success for our cause.

Of course, one of the biggest things I had to do was get over my 'Ron Paul Worship' and realize he's not going to change much of anything, if he even had the remote possibility of getting elected.

It's just like Ian points out with the courts: they don't care about their rules. They make it up as they go. If Ron did get close to taking office, the government would pull every dirty trick in the book to throw roadblocks and gridlock in front of him. He would be opposed by both sides of the aisle in Congress and essentially ignored. I wouldn't rule out Generals overseas from outright refusing orders to pack up and leave whatever country they were in.