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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 10:39:02 PM »

I guess the pattern with all those sports is that they're all very individualistic white.
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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2010, 10:52:39 PM »

now that you mention it, i figured id ask the age old question....why arent there many black hockey players?
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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 11:05:53 PM »

now that you mention it, i figured id ask the age old question....why arent there many black hockey players?

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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 11:15:55 PM »

They also don't seem to be into water sports. Maybe they know ice is water.
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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2010, 01:59:34 PM »

The biathalon.  [...]

We're debating something that's in large part subjective, so there's definitely room for diragreement.  What is it about biathalon that appeals to you?  I like winter and I like guns, but there's nothing inherently libertarian about them.  In my opinion there's too many rules in biathalon, and too little creativity and fun.  You've seen one biathalon competition and you've seen them all...


The hardest competition is with the self.

That's true, but I'm trying to draw a contrast between sports, which tend to attract a large crowd willing to pay for tickets, and personal fitness, which everyone should ideally engage in but most people wouldn't pay to see.  ("Libman naked on a treadmill" videos being a rare exception.)


Team sports can be perfectly "libertarian".  Just think of rational self interest and the division of labor.  Reasonable people are wise to associate with those who best complement their own skills.

Teamwork is important in business, but there you have a lot more individualism and asymmetric dynamism within the team, while traditional team sports are all about imposing artificial equality.  A sport that a libertarian person would find worth watching is a celebration of something romantically heroic, and I can think of nothing more so than a professional wrestler making his entrance.  My favorite of all time was Bill Goldberg:

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He was to sports what Howard Roark was to architecture.  I just can't imagine this kind of heroic greatness expressed in a team sport!


[...]  Wrestling seems to have quite a bit of central planning involved.  [...]

Central planning?  In professional wrestling?  That's a laugh!  Sure, it's scripted theater, but it's completely unregulated by the government (much less so than most sports leagues), and anyone can start his own backyard wrestling organization and try to sell tickets, but you do need a lot of talent to rise to the top.


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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 06:07:44 PM »

Well now. It seems you have called me to task on my complete lack of knowledge of pro wrestling.  :P

I guess I'll have to live with my... my... my... shame?
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2010, 11:52:32 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2010, 03:29:55 AM »

sport - pond hockey, running, lacrosse - you can legally beat the shit out of someone, bare knuckle boxing

activity - alpine climbing
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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2010, 08:32:44 PM »

I'm pretty sure I saw some "Schiff 2010" signs in the WWE Raw crowd last night (Vince McMahon's wife Linda is running against Peter Schiff).

And next Monday night's show is being guest-hosted by...  Cheech & Chong:lol:
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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2010, 10:56:44 PM »

Single non-lethal combat. Boxing, wrestling, fencing, etc. But most of all, ice speed-jousting.

Why ice speed-jousting? Because I invented it, and I am completely libertarian. I created it in my own image. Therefore it is completely libertarian.
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AL the Inconspicuous

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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2010, 12:27:57 AM »

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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2010, 12:06:37 AM »

Did anyone else catch the last WWE pay-per-view [BT] [WP]?

SPOILER:  it was a very good one (I love ladder matches), and a great night for blogger, Free State Project member, NH Liberty Forum attendee [2], and top libertarian celebrity Glenn Jacobs!  :D

It's all scripted in advance, of course, but it's nice to see him getting a big push again, which means his wrestling career's future rock-solid.  He now holds a World Championship for the first time in over 10 years, and is the first man to hold the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, and ECW Championship.


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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2010, 06:06:42 AM »

Drag Racing

NHRA...IHRA...motorcycle, funny car, dragster.  It's all awesome.  You will also lose your hearing if you stand next to one while the drive lightly taps the gas pedal while in the pit.

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Doesn't even begin to portray what it's like in person.  The amount of teamwork that is required is insane, and every team is competitive but I have never heard a team bash another team.  Hell some of them share strategies.  Most "libertarian" sport I can think of.  

Non-violent unless the driver crashes:

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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2010, 10:28:32 AM »

Pro wrestling isn't so much a sport as an entertainment.

I'd guess the most libertarian sport is pigeon racing. You set the birds free from hundreds of miles away, and then they return home of their own volition.
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Re: The most libertarian sport
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2010, 06:22:54 PM »

Pro wrestling isn't so much a sport as an entertainment.

If you subtract "entertainment" from "sport", what you're left with is a treadmill.  Pro-wrestling requires very tough physical conditioning, and mastery of many other skills as well.  Preparation is a part of the sport too, I would even argue the most important part of the sport, while whether you win or lose in the performance itself often involves more luck than virtue - having the outcome scripted in advance does not diminish it at all.  A form of entertainment that hits the masculine sweet-spot the way pro-wrestling does but isn't scripted would involve a lot more injuries and deaths.
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