The Global Warming Hoax

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[AL the Inconspicuous]

Seriously, won't somebody fix the YouTube embedding bug?!

I don't think the object URL should be "http://www.youtube.com/v/http://Ns_4pzfOSTc"!

Stupid admins, can't do anything right...

[inane]

The host of The Skeptics Guide to the Universe had a few things to say about the whole Climate gate deal (in defense of the scientists of course). He made some good points but overall it just came off as "they're scientists and your not, so shut the fuck up!".

I would like to add that the Skeptics Guide has never taken too positive a stance on global warming. From what I recall their position was that global warming is for the most part nonsense. It may be somewhat caused by man but it is clear that it is a natural occurring phenomenon. Its not clear as to the extent that man has contributed.

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Why are you still listening to that inside-the-box commie crap?

They're as much "sceptic" as Pravda is truth! 

[mikehz]

Right now, it's about ten degrees Fahrenheit where I am, and not expected to get much better for the next week or so. I don't want to hear about how goddamn warm the globe is!

[libertylover]

Al Gore was on Letterman last night but I missed the interview.  I can't find it anywhere on the net it seems all Letterman's stuff is a week behind the air date of any given show.  I don't even know if Letterman asked him about Climategate.  If any of you know of a torrent or a vid on the net please post it.  Or if you saw the interview was there anything to it worth pointing and laughing at?

[thersites]

Why are you still listening to that inside-the-box commie crap?

They're as much "sceptic" as Pravda is truth! 

That may be the most accurate statement you've ever made. Those guys are actually anti-intellectual.

[Cognitive Dissident]

An update for your reading, with a few new tidbits and a new angle...as usual, it depends how you interpret (or modify) the data, whether you subscribe to "warming" even existing in the first place.  In regard to the "greenhouse effect," it may not have occurred to some that it's a good thing, that may result in nature "making lemonade" with the lemons of warmer low temperatures (though, not necessarily warmer high temperatures.)  If it results in more, denser vegetation, it could even be a good thing.  (These comments aren't necessarily what the article says, but my thoughts on the effects.)

http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/01/the-scientific-tragedy-of-clim

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From what I recall their position was that global warming is for the most part nonsense. It may be somewhat caused by man but it is clear that it is a natural occurring phenomenon. Its not clear as to the extent that man has contributed.

You seemed to say two opposite things so I am unclear to what you are getting at. 

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Just a reminder that the burden of proof is on the alarmists to prove that: climate change is occurring AND that it is anthropogenic AND that the change is economically significant AND that it's harmful AND that it can be altered through human behaviour AND the socialist plan they're pushing would be effective AND that their plan will do more good than harm AND that their plan is the best of all alternatives, including the free market / property rights based ideas on how to attribute liability for externalities like pollution.

They can't even prove their first point without a massive amount of government bullying and deceit!

[mikehz]

One tip off that the entire matter is political rather than scientific is that people line up on the issue according to their political philosophies, then cherry-pick whatever studies support their side. Never do you see a liberal or conservative say, "Damn--maybe the earth really IS warming (or cooling.)"

[Cognitive Dissident]

I'd say conservatives are right in this case that APW has never passed the sniff test, so I don't necessarily that even.  Some issues are manufactured by the left, as some are manufactured by the right, and I think it's reasonable to be skeptical and not have it automatically labeled political.  I'm sure there are issues (say, the death penalty) where the logic is on the left's side, and the right makes it entirely political.

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Mommy Government's now informing -
Be afraid, people, the whole world is warming!
Ice-caps are melting!  Tropics are storming!
Polar bears drowning!  Bees aren't swarming!
It must be free markets in need reforming!
A new World Order we'll swiftly be forming!
Caught fudging data?  Nah, it's just norming!
Obey!  Or we'll jail you for not conforming!

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Aw man, great time to finally get internet access back. Finally that fucktard Michael Mann is getting his comeupence. One can only hope that he and his cohorts like Dr. Hanson get to spend time in Pound-me-in-the-Ass for the massive fraud they have perpetrated upon the US taxpayers (let alone that done to countries like the UK and New Zealand).

Its funny, but the same sort of attitudes concerning treatment of alternate theories permeates science in all areas it seems. Alternate theories of Evolution aren't taught in school since 'it might give those damned Creationists ammunition'. Plasma Cosmology/Electric Universe theories are routinely disregarded even when the observable evidence (as opposed to ridiculous abstract mathematics of the 'Standard Gravity-based Model') clearly shows that the planets are awash in a sea of plasma (and not a pure vacuum).

It is sad that the late Michael Crichton didn't live to see this as it would probably have tickled him that his book State of Fear was basically proven true.

[AL the Inconspicuous]

Aw man, great time to finally get internet access back. Finally that fucktard Michael Mann is getting his comeupence. One can only hope that he and his cohorts like Dr. Hanson get to spend time in Pound-me-in-the-Ass for the massive fraud they have perpetrated upon the US taxpayers (let alone that done to countries like the UK and New Zealand).

Its funny, but the same sort of attitudes concerning treatment of alternate theories permeates science in all areas it seems. Alternate theories of Evolution aren't taught in school since 'it might give those damned Creationists ammunition'. Plasma Cosmology/Electric Universe theories are routinely disregarded even when the observable evidence (as opposed to ridiculous abstract mathematics of the 'Standard Gravity-based Model') clearly shows that the planets are awash in a sea of plasma (and not a pure vacuum).

It is sad that the late Michael Crichton didn't live to see this as it would probably have tickled him that his book State of Fear was basically proven true.

Welcome back to civilization.

The tyrants that created this hoax are still in power, so I doubt anyone will get more than a slap on the wrist, but it will at least give more real (outside-the-box) skeptics the courage to speak out, thus limiting the damage that the commies can do with this excuse.