The Western European countries are socialist, and those countries are among those with the highest standards of living in the world.
Therefore, it has worked for them.
Are you saying they wouldn't have been better off without socialism?
I'm saying that it's worked for places with a small land area and a highly homogenous population.
Would it have worked better than not having socialism?
Unless you can build a machine that can take us to (6)6)6 universes, there's no way I can answer your question. But I'm guessing no.
So it hasn't worked out for them. And we don't need a time machine, we need a basic understanding of humanity to understand that humans live better lives with freedom as opposed to coercion. Empirical evidences backs this up as well.
No, actually it has worked out for them and Europeans have pretty much the highest standard of living in the world, that is my point.
Therefore, it has worked out for them.
They have high standards of living in spite of socialism, not because of it. So no, socialism hasn't worked out for them.
No, it has worked. And if they have a high standard of living, and they live in a socialist country, then socialism has worked out for them. Unlike places in the rest of the world that have what can be described as a free market and are in abject poverty (Somalia is the most egregious example of this)
You're going to have to prove the link between socialism and high standards of living because it is counter-intuitive based on human nature and empirical historical evidence.
Somalia? Somalia is such a shithole because of statism.
No, you're the one who is claiming that the high standards of Europe does not mean that socialism has worked. Burden of proof's on you, brother.
Also, the lack of a state in Somalia kind of means that you can't say that statism exists there. Try again.
No, you initially made the claim, so please back it up.
Somalia is the way it is because of statism. Actions have consequences. When government involvement makes a mess out of something, it doesn't magically get better once the state disappears. Would Somalia have been better off without state involvement? Absolutely.