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As a hypothetical thought exercise...  Which of the below islands / archipelagos would be (or contain) the ideal island for the FIP?

Nation of Antigua and Barbuda
- 0 (0%)
Nation of Bahamas
- 2 (5.9%)
Nation of Barbados
- 3 (8.8%)
Nation of Cape Verde  (Atlantic, Pt-Lang)
- 0 (0%)
Nation of Commonwealth of Dominica
- 1 (2.9%)
Nation of Grenada
- 0 (0%)
Nation of Saint Kitts and Nevis
- 0 (0%)
Nation of Saint Lucia
- 0 (0%)
Nation of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
- 0 (0%)
Nation of Trinidad and Tobago
- 4 (11.8%)
USA's Virgin Islands
- 6 (17.6%)
USA's Navassa Island  (or USA's other tiny Caribbean islands)
- 1 (2.9%)
UK's Anguilla
- 1 (2.9%)
UK's Bermuda  (Atlantic)
- 1 (2.9%)
UK's Virgin Islands
- 1 (2.9%)
UK's Cayman Islands
- 1 (2.9%)
UK's Montserrat
- 1 (2.9%)
UK's Turks and Caicos Islands
- 0 (0%)
Netherlands' Aruba
- 1 (2.9%)
Netherlands' Antilles
- 1 (2.9%)
France's Clipperton
- 0 (0%)
France's Guadeloupe
- 0 (0%)
France's Martinique
- 1 (2.9%)
France's Saint Barthélemy
- 0 (0%)
France's Saint Martin
- 1 (2.9%)
France's Saint Pierre and Miquelon
- 3 (8.8%)
Spain's Canary Islands  (Atlantic)
- 1 (2.9%)
Portugal's Azores  (Atlantic)
- 0 (0%)
Portugal's Madeira  (Atlantic)
- 0 (0%)
Other - Caribbean / GoM region
- 2 (5.9%)
Other - Outer Atlantic
- 1 (2.9%)
Other - East Pacific
- 1 (2.9%)

Total Members Voted: 15


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BonerJoe

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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2008, 01:56:47 PM »

Having seriously considered and summarily rejected the FSP, I think its completely logical to extend this opinion to a fucking island.

I've become skeptical of FSP because of New Hampshire's 1+ million non-libertarians, with more moving from Mass at a rate Free Staters could never match.


I figured this out back in 2003.

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An island wouldn't have this problem, and it might even be a sovereign country to begin with.

Water, trading, and dealing with the natives will be a huge problem.
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Alex Libman

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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2008, 02:17:57 PM »

Problems can be solved, given people and money.
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« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2008, 02:39:25 PM »

Having seriously considered and summarily rejected the FSP, I think its completely logical to extend this opinion to a fucking island.

I've become skeptical of FSP because of New Hampshire's 1+ million non-libertarians, with more moving from Mass at a rate Free Staters could never match.


I figured this out back in 2003.

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An island wouldn't have this problem, and it might even be a sovereign country to begin with.

Water, trading, and dealing with the natives will be a huge problem.

Small pox blankets.

BonerJoe

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« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2008, 02:47:45 PM »

Problems can be solved, given people and money.

We don't have enough people to commit to moving to even NH. What the fuck makes you think they're gonna take off to a shitty island?
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Alex Libman

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« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2008, 02:54:08 PM »

National sovereignty?

Warm sandy beaches year-round?

Solarpanel-powered seawater filtering machines piped into your backyard swimming pool and irrigation system for cannabis and fruit trees?
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BonerJoe

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« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2008, 02:58:49 PM »

National sovereignty?

Warm sandy beaches year-round?

Solarpanel-powered seawater filtering machines piped into your backyard swimming pool and irrigation system for cannabis and fruit trees?


Go raise $10 billion dollars then we'll talk about it.
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« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2008, 03:03:13 PM »

National sovereignty?

Warm sandy beaches year-round?

Solarpanel-powered seawater filtering machines piped into your backyard swimming pool and irrigation system for cannabis and fruit trees?


Go raise $10 billion dollars then we'll talk about it.

What do you think he's doing? All he needs is 4.2 million from each registered member of this BBS and he's good to go.
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Alex Libman

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« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2008, 03:04:07 PM »

Go raise $10 billion dollars then we'll talk about it.

Good thing Forbes already made me a list of people to call, but $10 billion is 6-7 times the GDP of U.S. Virgin Islands, for example (see table above), and we are talking about a grouping of ~60 different islands, and one small island would be enough to get this started.  New Hampshire's GSP: $56 billion.

(I know GDP is a measure of total yearly production, not the cost of buying and developing an island, but I'm just using it to provide scale.  My whole point is: it's still a heck of a lot more realistic than the Free State Project.  And warmer.  And when you invite Puerto Rican girls on a speedboat ride to New Hampshire, as opposed to your own private island, they don't get as excited.)
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« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2008, 03:41:21 PM »

Go raise $10 billion dollars then we'll talk about it.

Good thing Forbes already made me a list of people to call, but $10 billion is 6-7 times the GDP of U.S. Virgin Islands, for example (see table above), and we are talking about a grouping of ~60 different islands, and one small island would be enough to get this started.  New Hampshire's GSP: $56 billion.

(I know GDP is a measure of total yearly production, not the cost of buying and developing an island, but I'm just using it to provide scale.  My whole point is: it's still a heck of a lot more realistic than the Free State Project.  And warmer.  And when you invite Puerto Rican girls on a speedboat ride to New Hampshire, as opposed to your own private island, they don't get as excited.)


Get crackin', honkey.
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« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2008, 03:48:03 PM »

Sakal/CAI just needs to buy an island.
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« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2008, 04:20:13 PM »

OK, so I've been Jewing my way into some super-secret personal cell phone numbers.  Larry said he already had an island, his huge yacht!  But little did he know that I had Roma on the other line, and he's getting an even bigger yacht this year!  So the two started talking, and the new line of oil-powered Oracle servers should be out this fall.  I said I prefer PostgreSQL and solar panels, so they both hung up on me, but this did give me an idea for a Free State cruise line...  :lol:
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« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2008, 04:33:28 PM »

I'm still undecided about the FSP. I don't want to rule it out completely, but the concerns some people have raised (about the socialists coming in from Mass and the 1,000,000+ non-libertarians already living there) have me on the fence. I think the west would probably be better for a project like this. It baffles me that they chose NH instead of somewhere like Montana or Alaska.

With that said, there's no way in hell I'm joining a Free Island Project.
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« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2008, 05:36:57 PM »

Alaska would have been a good choice. It's already virtually a separate country, has a strong libertarian party and a strong independence movement, and has a clause in its constitution saying it can opt out of the American union at will. On the other hand, it's cold!
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Alex Libman

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« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2008, 06:32:52 PM »

Had I known about FSP before New Hampshire was chosen, I would have favored Alaska too.  Between (natural and completely not-man-made) "Global Warming" and the "Pacific Century", Alaska is sure to come out on top!
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« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2008, 07:19:06 PM »

On the other hand, it's cold!

And New Hampshire isn't?
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