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[The Muslim Agorist]

I don't particularly find it plausible that she would be so hesitant to admit she supports Hamas and then calmly and boldly support genocide espoused by Hezbollah. But, whatever. She doesn't speak for me. I'm not, nor ever was defending her. Just saying... there's more to the story.

*edit - I also don't find her to be a particular careful speaker, especially considering what she wrote. She, like many college students, is full of passion and surrounded by every kind of propaganda.

[hellbilly]

She may have fallen into the trance of whatever equivalent of Christianity's "Holy Spirit" Islam holds.. gettin' all fired up for the cause and that sort of thing. Droll.

Backtracking necessitates the need for "more to the story". Instead of hiding how she feels she should just be honest about it so no misunderstandings are possible. But I hear that obfuscation is well practiced in Islam, so there ya go.

[blackie]

She should have, and did in my opinion, answer carefully & honestly- there was even a bit of a pause before she answered whether or not she is for the idea of having all Jews gather in Israel. She answered in favor of that idea. If she had been uncertain about the question, I think she would have pressed the issue. Shyness doesn't seem to be a barrier to her stating her opinions.

Every person, Muslim or not, who attempts to explain away her clear message, or comes to the defense of fuck ups like this one should be ashamed.

When the dude asked the question "For or Against it!!?", it kinda came out of nowhere, and was unclear what he was asking. I believe the chicks story and that she was saying she was "for" Hamas. That is what he was originally asking if she was "for or against".

Anyway, what are you saying her clear message is, because it wasn't clear to me. For the idea of having all Jews in Israel?

[The Muslim Agorist]

Funny how things work out. My wife was in a leadership role in the MSA in law school, and now she's a kind of volunteer alumni consultant. So last night there was a conference call between her, some current leaders, and this girl. I wasn't in the conversation, but I listened in.

The MSA leaders were all trying to convince her that her clarification was insufficient and she needs to make a public apology. Their concern, and I think this was valid, was that she presented herself in the video as a representative of the MSA, and they don't support her views. She was very resistant to this idea, and felt instead that the MSA should defend her from people misrepresenting her. They rightfully pointed out that right now people are talking about her, but 6 months from now the only thing people will remember is an MSA student supported the holocaust. She misrepresented them.

I don't know how it ended, but if she issues a public apology it is likely the result of internal pressure. I just thought it was interesting.

[blackie]

I don't know how it ended, but if she issues a public apology it is likely the result of internal pressure. I just thought it was interesting.

If I was her, I would tell them "fuck you". She made it pretty clear in the video that she wasn't representing the MSA. If the MSA wants to issue a statement, they should.

Who does the MSA think the chick should apologize to?

[The Muslim Agorist]

Doesn't she say she was from the MSA? Maybe I misunderstood.

They think she should apologize for misspeaking and offending.

[blackie]

Doesn't she say she was from the MSA? Maybe I misunderstood.

I only watched the video once. She said she was part of the MSA, but that is because she was asking questions to the dude about things he has said about the MSA. She didn't claim to be representing the MSA.

[The Muslim Agorist]

Doesn't she say she was from the MSA? Maybe I misunderstood.

I only watched the video once. She said she was part of the MSA, but that is because she was asking questions to the dude about things he has said about the MSA. She didn't claim to be representing the MSA.

Fair enough.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

She should have, and did in my opinion, answer carefully & honestly- there was even a bit of a pause before she answered whether or not she is for the idea of having all Jews gather in Israel. She answered in favor of that idea. If she had been uncertain about the question, I think she would have pressed the issue. Shyness doesn't seem to be a barrier to her stating her opinions.

Every person, Muslim or not, who attempts to explain away her clear message, or comes to the defense of fuck ups like this one should be ashamed.

When the dude asked the question "For or Against it!!?", it kinda came out of nowhere, and was unclear what he was asking. I believe the chicks story and that she was saying she was "for" Hamas. That is what he was originally asking if she was "for or against".

Anyway, what are you saying her clear message is, because it wasn't clear to me. For the idea of having all Jews in Israel?

It sounded to me like she said that she supported the gathering of all Jews in Israel so that Hamas and Hizbullah would have an easier time exterminating them.  And she said she   was from the MSA.

This kind of thinking seems to be common among MSA members.  I've seen similar folks at SDSU protesting the evil Jews with pretty damned defamatory signs and my sister has seen even worse up at San Francisco State.  Like the kind of shit that makes you feel very uncomfortable and scared for your personal safety when walking past these groups on your way to class.

I doubt that the MSA has a policy that agrees with what this psychotic fat girl was saying, but I do think that her opinions are relatively common among MSA members.

[blackie]

It sounded to me like she said that she supported the gathering of all Jews in Israel so that Hamas and Hizbullah would have an easier time exterminating them.

In the context of the entire exchange between the chick and the dude, to me it sounded like she said she supported Hamas and Hezbollah, which most people would find pretty bad. I don't see it as being much worse than saying you support Israel or the USA, or pretty much any other government. They alll suck as far as I am concerned.

I don't know anything about the MSA, but I doubt they would ever say the organization supports Hamas or Hezbollah.

[The Muslim Agorist]

It sounded to me like she said that she supported the gathering of all Jews in Israel so that Hamas and Hizbullah would have an easier time exterminating them... This kind of thinking seems to be common among MSA members.

How many MSA students have you surveyed? Admittedly I was never in the MSA. In college I was too busy running around with the socialists. ::shame:: But, as I said, my wife played an integral roll in her college MSA, and continues as a consultant. After college I have attended one MSA West conference and a handful of events and met dozens of members. I have never met a single MSA member who did no draw a strict distinction between Judaism and Zionism. In fact, I have only met one Muslim who does not make this distinction. He's an elderly Syrian friend of mine who was tortured for political speech in his youth. I fundamentally disagree with him, but I forgive his ramblings because frankly he is mentally shattered... Make that two Muslims. I know an elderly Caucasian woman who conflates Judaism and Zionism. She was raised in a radically Zionist Jewish family and converted to Islam in her 20s. Her siblings still harass her about it.

I've seen similar folks at SDSU protesting the evil Jews with pretty damned defamatory signs and my sister has seen even worse up at San Francisco State.  Like the kind of shit that makes you feel very uncomfortable and scared for your personal safety when walking past these groups on your way to class.

That's a real problem. I can't speak to specific signs, but I'd hope you wouldn't base your entire opinion of a huge group on individuals with signs. I've seen some pretty frightening signs in the hands of Zionists at these rallies. Praising rape and baby killing etc.

In my experience not one MSA student and not one Muslim supports Israel or Zionism. There's a spectrum of willingness to compromise, and ideas about solutions, but most aren't willing to compromise much. For most Hamas and Hezbollah are viewed as the only game in town. They reject the tactics but support the cause. But these are just my observations.

I don't see it as being much worse than saying you support Israel or the USA, or pretty much any other government. They alll suck as far as I am concerned.

That sums up my feeling about it.

[hellbilly]

She should have, and did in my opinion, answer carefully & honestly- there was even a bit of a pause before she answered whether or not she is for the idea of having all Jews gather in Israel. She answered in favor of that idea. If she had been uncertain about the question, I think she would have pressed the issue. Shyness doesn't seem to be a barrier to her stating her opinions.

Every person, Muslim or not, who attempts to explain away her clear message, or comes to the defense of fuck ups like this one should be ashamed.

When the dude asked the question "For or Against it!!?", it kinda came out of nowhere, and was unclear what he was asking. I believe the chicks story and that she was saying she was "for" Hamas. That is what he was originally asking if she was "for or against".

Anyway, what are you saying her clear message is, because it wasn't clear to me. For the idea of having all Jews in Israel?

It sounded to me like she said that she supported the gathering of all Jews in Israel so that Hamas and Hizbullah would have an easier time exterminating them.  And she said she   was from the MSA.

This kind of thinking seems to be common among MSA members.  I've seen similar folks at SDSU protesting the evil Jews with pretty damned defamatory signs and my sister has seen even worse up at San Francisco State.  Like the kind of shit that makes you feel very uncomfortable and scared for your personal safety when walking past these groups on your way to class.

I doubt that the MSA has a policy that agrees with what this psychotic fat girl was saying, but I do think that her opinions are relatively common among MSA members.

That's what I gathered too blackie. Hamas was the first question, then the fellow relayed a different scenario and questioned her on that.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

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