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Title: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: MobileDigit on February 16, 2008, 03:09:23 AM
I am talking about this idea in the unFTL webchat. I hope someone will post a copy of my ideas, so everyone can read them!
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: Paul-ish on February 16, 2008, 03:11:21 AM
You want the chat? This guy is crazy... (For your sanity do not read it all) easy to read all in one place url.. [[/url]

(9:42:16 PM) Lindsey`: Huh?  Oh, well I'm being paid to work the whole's just that it's always an inconvenience to me, and I end up working 50-60 hour work weeks so they can go off and do other things.
(9:42:33 PM) MobileDigit: That applies to all things, which I why I have started the project of helping people that don't have a lot of money and want to be liberty activists.
(9:42:52 PM) MobileDigit: You aren't being paid enough I mean.
(9:42:58 PM) MobileDigit: For the work you are doing.
(9:43:24 PM) MobileDigit: You should always feel like you are getting the good end of the stick (because really both ends should be good).
(9:43:47 PM) MobileDigit: Damn, I wish I had more of this kickass weed.
(9:43:58 PM) Lindsey`: No.  And Rik, who's running the kiosk right now, is an assistant manager and he's being paid more than I am as a store manager.
(9:44:06 PM) Lindsey`: That does not amuse me in the slightest, I must say.
(9:44:14 PM) Lindsey`: Especially because I'm driving 80 miles a day for this waste of time.
(9:44:44 PM) MobileDigit: How much do you make a month?
(9:44:52 PM) Lindsey`: Not much.
(9:44:58 PM) MobileDigit: You don't want to tell me?
(9:45:00 PM) Lindsey`: I'd rather not discuss it right now.
(9:45:07 PM) Lindsey`: It usually makes me upset.
(9:45:07 PM) MobileDigit: Why not?
(9:45:54 PM) MobileDigit: Why not?
(9:46:05 PM) MobileDigit: huh chat is acting weird
(9:46:09 PM) MobileDigit: Why?
(9:46:29 PM) MobileDigit: Shouldn't you be proud of how much value you provide to others?
(9:46:54 PM) Lindsey`: Uhm, I sell people sunglasses, so that they don't go blind.  It's not that deep.
(9:47:01 PM) Lindsey`: But like I said, I don't want to discuss it right now.
(9:47:18 PM) MobileDigit: So you are just going to ignore my question of why it makes you upset?
(9:47:36 PM) Lindsey`: Yes.
(9:47:40 PM) Lindsey`: Because I don't want to discuss it.
(9:48:08 PM) MobileDigit: Well I hope that others in the chat room will see that you are dismissive.
(9:48:14 PM) MobileDigit: I don't think that is healthy.
(9:48:21 PM) MobileDigit: :(
(9:58:51 PM) Paulish: say what? she doesnt want to divulge personal information on the internet? shame on her!....
(9:59:45 PM) MobileDigit: You must advance the argument. Tell me why she shouldn't be proud of how much she makes.
(10:00:04 PM) MobileDigit: If you can't, aren't I right?
(10:00:10 PM) Paulish: tell me why it is our buisness
(10:00:17 PM) Paulish: by default is not
(10:00:24 PM) Paulish: maybe she is proud
(10:00:27 PM) Paulish: she just doesnt want to tell us
(10:03:30 PM) MobileDigit: Why shouldn't she want to tell us?
(10:04:29 PM) Paulish: why are you asking me to prove a negative?
(10:05:09 PM) Paulish: why arent you sharing personal stuff?
(10:05:11 PM) rabidfurby: a lot of people consider financial data pretty personal
(10:05:22 PM) MobileDigit: Because if she doesn't have a good reason she should tell us, and I haven't gotten a good reason yet.
(10:05:33 PM) MobileDigit: What do you want to know about me?
(10:05:40 PM) Paulish: I know nothing about you
(10:05:40 PM) MobileDigit: I will decide if I want to tell you.
(10:05:49 PM) MobileDigit: That doesn't answer my question.
(10:05:50 PM) Paulish: oh want to know?
(10:05:59 PM) MobileDigit: Yeah.
(10:06:07 PM) Paulish: well the fact that it depends means that there IS information you wont share
(10:06:17 PM) Paulish: everyone has stuff they dont want to share
(10:06:22 PM) Paulish: just let them keep it that way
(10:07:27 PM) MobileDigit: I can't think of anything, but if You asked me a direct enough question I might object. What do you want to know?
(10:07:35 PM) MobileDigit: Fuck that bad idea.
(10:07:46 PM) MobileDigit: If they don't have a good reason, they SHOULD share it.
(10:08:04 PM) MobileDigit: Good reason: Not giving out passwords.
(10:08:13 PM) MobileDigit: Bad reason: I don't feel like it.
(10:08:18 PM) Paulish: I dont understand why you believe everyones business is yours
(10:08:31 PM) MobileDigit: I'm just telling you what I think is true.
(10:08:38 PM) Paulish: what if the reason is also something they do not wish to share
(10:08:52 PM) MobileDigit: I just want to know as much as possible about the people I interact with so I am better able to help them help me help us.
(10:09:24 PM) Paulish: you assume they or we need help
(10:09:40 PM) MobileDigit: That's a good question, but I don't think that answers my original objection of why not share the information.
(10:10:00 PM) MobileDigit: We all need help from each other.
(10:10:16 PM) MobileDigit: I want to make as much money as possible, don't you?
(10:10:21 PM) Paulish: yes
(10:10:28 PM) Paulish: but how does linds wage have to do with any of it?
(10:10:49 PM) Paulish: what does*
(10:11:44 PM) MobileDigit: I just want to know what she makes so I can offer her more.
(10:12:00 PM) rabidfurby: offer her more for what?
(10:12:05 PM) MobileDigit: Isn't that an honorable question?
(10:12:10 PM) MobileDigit: For her talent.
(10:13:00 PM) Paulish: zomg rabidfurries
(10:13:43 PM) Paulish: meh I when hiring do they normally ask for current wage?
(10:14:01 PM) MobileDigit: I for the longest time read 'rabidfurby' as 'rabidfury', which I actually like better.
(10:14:19 PM) Paulish: I am glad he is not a furry
(10:14:30 PM) Paulish: but I would still love him if he was :P
(10:14:31 PM) MobileDigit: I just want to be able to purchase her talents at what she already thinks is a fair wage.
(10:14:39 PM) MobileDigit: aha
(10:14:44 PM) MobileDigit: me too, me too.
(10:15:05 PM) Paulish: Now im curious
(10:15:10 PM) Paulish: what kind of job are you offering
(10:15:30 PM) MobileDigit: the opportunity to help liberty activists
(10:15:45 PM) MobileDigit: I pay you to help me complete things I think need to be done.
(10:16:07 PM) MobileDigit: I get paid by people that think I am good at picking things that need to be done, which I hope I can ultimately convince everyone of.
(10:16:14 PM) Paulish: nothing violent or disruptive irght?
(10:16:19 PM) Paulish: right*
(10:16:27 PM) MobileDigit: No, only peaceful activism.
(10:16:38 PM) MobileDigit: Maybe a little disruptive. :P
(10:16:52 PM) MobileDigit: What do you think of that proposal?
(10:16:53 PM) Paulish: im surprised people pay for that
(10:17:35 PM) MobileDigit: People pay for FTL, why wouldn't they pay me to implement liberty?
(10:17:44 PM) MobileDigit: I believe I can do it.
(10:18:07 PM) Paulish: more power to you I suppose
(10:18:24 PM) Paulish: But I guess people might feel it more tangibly when they hear it every night
(10:18:28 PM) MobileDigit: Do you want me to hook you up? I can pay you whatever you are making now plus more, and the ability to spread the message of liberty.
(10:18:30 PM) Paulish: and listen as new stations are added
(10:18:43 PM) Paulish: no thanks
(10:18:47 PM) MobileDigit: Why not?
(10:18:54 PM) MobileDigit: You surely have a good reason, right?
(10:18:57 PM) Paulish: I am 17, college first
(10:19:03 PM) MobileDigit: I am 17 too.
(10:19:12 PM) Paulish: ah
(10:19:13 PM) MobileDigit: I am not going to college, it is a waste of time.
(10:19:18 PM) Paulish: I am going to learn CS
(10:19:26 PM) MobileDigit: What do you mean?
(10:19:30 PM) Paulish: computer science
(10:19:40 PM) Paulish: Google, microsoft, yahoo
(10:19:43 PM) Paulish: if I am really lucky
(10:19:46 PM) Paulish: those people get rich fast
(10:19:51 PM) MobileDigit: Why don't you just use the internet and learn everything they have to teach you at a faster rate?
(10:19:54 PM) Paulish: I certainly can help liberty that way
(10:20:00 PM) Paulish: as sad as it is
(10:20:04 PM) MobileDigit: Yes, I am an Arc programmer.
(10:20:09 PM) Paulish: a university diploma gets you to the front of the line
(10:20:10 PM) MobileDigit: I know how to code.
(10:20:16 PM) Paulish: when looking for jobs
(10:20:17 PM) MobileDigit: Nonsense.
(10:20:43 PM) Paulish: my mom talked to certain persons at mircsoft
(10:20:46 PM) Paulish: microsoft
(10:20:47 PM) MobileDigit: If you want to help me with the task, I can hook you up now. I don't care about university diplomas, and I will pay you in cold hard silver.
(10:20:58 PM) Paulish: and they recruit right of of Carnegie Mellon .
(10:21:09 PM) MobileDigit: I am a programmer, I can teach you whatever you want to learn about.
(10:21:35 PM) MobileDigit: I have web work that needs to be done, and I need all the help I can get. Aren't you interested in implementing liberty?
(10:22:06 PM) Paulish: I don't know enough about computers YET
(10:22:09 PM) Paulish: cant do much
(10:22:50 PM) Paulish: I do the little things I can for liberty when I can
(10:22:53 PM) Paulish: I talk to my friends
(10:22:57 PM) Paulish: but you cant alienate them
(10:23:01 PM) MobileDigit: I can teach you all you want to learn, I've built several computers, including cusaug07, my current one. I got the parts the same day I started smoking cannabis: 2007-08-08.
(10:23:32 PM) MobileDigit: I'm just saying I will pay you now if you want to help me. There is no reason to wait for work, when you can help liberty now.
(10:23:47 PM) MobileDigit: So, what do you think of telling me a number you would work for?
(10:23:57 PM) Paulish: No thanks
(10:24:01 PM) MobileDigit: How about in ounces of silver per month.
(10:24:05 PM) Paulish: I promote liberty for my freedom
(10:24:06 PM) Paulish: not money
(10:24:16 PM) MobileDigit: Come on, just give it a try and fantacize.
(10:24:44 PM) MobileDigit: The only way we will have the first is if we have the second, and the only way we will get money is if we convince people we can help liberty by making money!
(10:25:14 PM) MobileDigit: So your idea of freedom/money being different is incorrect.
(10:25:53 PM) MobileDigit: Don't you want both?
(10:26:00 PM) MobileDigit: I believe I can give you both.
(10:26:17 PM) Paulish: By having liberty I will be able to make money
(10:26:25 PM) Paulish: It is a long term investment plan :)
(10:27:06 PM) MobileDigit: Why can't you make money and help liberty at the same time? Isn't that the idea of freedom, that the two coincide?
(10:27:46 PM) Lindsey`: But MD, that takes away from the idea that you're the center of the universe and we should all worship you.
(10:28:03 PM) Paulish: I wouldn't be worried, there are probably plenty of other libertarians willing to work for your silver
(10:29:03 PM) rabidfurby: Yeah, I'm sure people are lining up.
(10:30:18 PM) Paulish: I am curious, why type of people pay you>
(10:30:21 PM) Paulish: ?*
(10:30:45 PM) MobileDigit: Hell no Lindsey, I know I am not able to do everything. That is why I am an effective delegater.
(10:31:07 PM) Lindsey`: What are you smoking and/or drinking?
(10:31:13 PM) Lindsey`: Because whatever it is, I don't EVER want any.
(10:31:24 PM) MobileDigit: Awesome cannabis and a drink.
(10:31:33 PM) MobileDigit: Why don't you want liberty now rather than later?
(10:31:51 PM) Lindsey`: I didn't say I didn't want liberty.  I said I didn't want to be as fucking annoying as you are right now.
(10:32:07 PM) Lindsey`: I don't think I'd have any friends if I acted like you are.  :-P
(10:32:27 PM) Paulish: calm down
(10:32:31 PM) Paulish: were all on the same team here
(10:32:53 PM) MobileDigit: Every type pays. That's the beauty of the idea, everyone (or at least every libertarian) wants at least $50 of freedom a month. You can pay me and I will spend the money in the best way I know how, and I have turned out to be very good at spending it so far.
(10:32:57 PM) Lindsey`: I'm calm, he's just self-centered and annoying.  :-P
(10:33:14 PM) MobileDigit: You aren't my friend Lindsey?
(10:33:22 PM) Lindsey`: Although I might need to start a scam like yours.
(10:33:25 PM) rabidfurby: How much have people sent you, and what have you spent it on so far?
(10:37:06 PM) MobileDigit: yesterday I went driving with my dad, I talked to about 40 people about liberty. One was Bubba, he is a homeless african american that wants to help spread the message of liberty. I also talked to about 10 kids at the mission and told them that I would help them improve their lives by paying them if they would tell me exactly who in school they talked to about liberty. I even had a man in Best Buy ask me if I was ok, and aft
(10:37:32 PM) MobileDigit: That is why people will donate.
(10:37:48 PM) MobileDigit: And that is why I can pay you to make your life better and you happier.
(10:38:10 PM) MobileDigit: Don't you want that?
(10:38:38 PM) Lindsey`: No, because it fuels your self-importance.
(10:39:00 PM) Paulish: sounds like Jesuits or whoever those people who come to your door in the morning are
(10:39:05 PM) rabidfurby: Where is your money coming from?
(10:39:20 PM) Paulish: I believe you promote your philosophy by living it and discourse with friends
(10:39:21 PM) Lindsey`: Aliens.
(10:39:46 PM) MobileDigit: If fueling my self-importance leads to anarcho-capitalism, does it really matter that it fuels my self-importance?
(10:40:12 PM) Lindsey`: Yes.
(10:40:16 PM) MobileDigit: The money is coming from every libertarian that thinks I am good at finding productive tasks like
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: Paul-ish on February 16, 2008, 03:13:25 AM
more >.<

(10:40:32 PM) rabidfurby: Yeah, I had a feeling it was dealing drugs.
(10:40:36 PM) MobileDigit: There are huge numbers of libertarians in the world, and thus huge numbers of people willing to pay.
(10:40:50 PM) Lindsey`: I don't like your attitude.  We have similar beliefs, but I don't like the manner in which you conduct yourself.  It's appalling.
(10:41:08 PM) rabidfurby: How many people have contributed so far?
(10:41:23 PM) Paulish: I think he misunderstands "The virtue of selfishness"
(10:41:27 PM) MobileDigit: I have never made money dealing drugs, but I have no problem paying a drug dealer to implement and spread the message of liberty. Wouldn't you pay to have your marijuana dealer talk about anarcho-capitalism?
(10:41:54 PM) Paulish: ummm i dont want the people to be advocating anarcho-capitalism druggies
(10:41:56 PM) Paulish: and drug dealers
(10:42:03 PM) Paulish: it allows people to dismiss it
(10:42:13 PM) Paulish: but when academics and famous icons talk about it
(10:42:17 PM) Paulish: now that is noteworthy
(10:42:31 PM) MobileDigit: What about it exactly is appalling? Good ideas always seems like they are too good to be true. The idea of superhumanism is to trust that they are true because the other ultimately rational being probably has good ideas too.
(10:43:18 PM) Paulish: we are skeptics, which is probably why we are libertarians
(10:43:18 PM) Lindsey`: For starters, you're annoying the fucking shit out of me.
(10:43:35 PM) Lindsey`: I want to show you the business side of my pimp hand.
(10:43:37 PM) rabidfurby: ...unless you're scamming us.
(10:43:55 PM) Lindsey`: Well, he's not scamming us because we're smart enough not to pay him to do...uhh, whatever it is he thinks he does.
(10:44:07 PM) Paulish: smoke weed
(10:44:13 PM) MobileDigit: All I am saying is that whatever you are making, I can give you 1.5x it, and you get to talk about these great ideas. However, if you commit to helping me spread this message of peace and prosperity you will be first in line, rather than 100th in line, to get money. Do you want to commit so you can start spreading liberty now?
(10:44:18 PM) rabidfurby: And if you won't tell us where your money's coming from, who it's coming from, or where it's going to, then it seems rather scamtastic.
(10:44:40 PM) shinyvandal [] entered the room.
(10:44:56 PM) Lindsey`: No.
(10:44:58 PM) Lindsey`: Absolutely not.
(10:45:03 PM) Paulish: I would say holding down a job helps the economy, and the marketplace
(10:45:06 PM) Paulish: thats good imo
(10:45:28 PM) MobileDigit: Like Mother Teresa said, be the change you want to see in the world. I want to have lots of money, and have awesome things and friends. I want everyone to have that, because with my philosophy and business sense that is what we will have!
(10:45:42 PM) rabidfurby: Sorry Mobile, I would join but I already have a bunch of Amway products I gotta get rid of first.
(10:46:37 PM) Lindsey`: Right.
(10:46:41 PM) MobileDigit: Wait no let me tell you of my idea:
(10:46:47 PM) Lindsey`: And I have huge boobs, so everyone should listen to me because I'm pretty.
(10:46:53 PM) MobileDigit: This is an awesome business model.
(10:47:21 PM) MobileDigit: I think me having good business sense and thus ability to make money is not the same as you being pretty.
(10:47:39 PM) Lindsey`: You THINK you have good business sense.  Whether or not this is the consensus, is unclear.
(10:47:52 PM) rabidfurby: Oh, I have no doubt of that. Getting paid to get stoned and talk to people about anarcho-capitalism is a fantastic business model.
(10:48:08 PM) rabidfurby: I just don't think it's a *viable* business model.
(10:48:09 PM) MobileDigit: All I ask is that you give the idea a chance. What, really do you have to lose by telling your friends about liberty? Nothing!
(10:48:47 PM) Lindsey`: Personally, I think you're just a jackass teenager with unusually high self-esteem, and a lack of desire to work hard for some wages.  Instead you'd like to pretty much con people out of their money.
(10:48:49 PM) Lindsey`: No thanks.
(10:48:55 PM) MobileDigit: And I can pay you way more than nothing. I accept that you want liberty, and that you want more money than you currently have, why don't you trust I can help you with both?
(10:49:07 PM) MobileDigit: Wow Lindsey that's not nice.
(10:49:19 PM) Lindsey`: Well, that's how much you're annoying me right now.
(10:49:30 PM) Lindsey`: I am nothing if not honest.
(10:49:47 PM) Lindsey`: I'm just sitting here wondering to myself who you think you are.
(10:50:00 PM) Lindsey`: I
(10:50:02 PM) Lindsey`: Ack
(10:50:14 PM) Lindsey`: I've pretty much Sam Jackson'd my monitor nine thousand times in the past ten minutes.
(10:50:14 PM) rabidfurby: Mobile, do you have *any* concrete results to convince us that what you're doing is legit?
(10:50:33 PM) Lindsey`: I'd say the dime bag is about as concrete as he can get :-P
(10:50:40 PM) MobileDigit: Let me respond: jackass (, nope not an idiot, unussually high self esteem, well I guess but that doesn't mean I'm wrong, lack of desire to work hard for some wages, are you kidding me? What do you think I am doing now? I am working to help spread liberty! Don't insult me.
(10:51:03 PM) MobileDigit: Well, I guess I could give you some pictures.
(10:51:11 PM) MobileDigit: let me look for them
(10:51:45 PM) MobileDigit: here we go:
(10:51:50 PM) MobileDigit: That is my sister's blog.
(10:51:55 PM) Lindsey`: Oh yes...talking...SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO difficult.
(10:52:06 PM) MobileDigit: You can see Bubba:
(10:53:06 PM) Lindsey`: Journey through the Bible, eh...
(10:54:12 PM) MobileDigit: That little thing in his hand you can buy at
(10:54:17 PM) MobileDigit: It is an awesome little thing.
(10:54:36 PM) Lindsey`: Your sister is the chick that looks like she's wearing a bag of skittles?
(10:54:55 PM) MobileDigit: Uh I guess.
(10:54:57 PM) Lindsey`: She's very festive.
(10:55:08 PM) MobileDigit: yep
(10:55:10 PM) MobileDigit: smart too
(10:55:25 PM) Lindsey`: That ensemble is uhh...interesting.
(10:55:30 PM) MobileDigit: That /* No Comment */ shirt you can buy on thinkgeek too.
(10:55:40 PM) Lindsey`: I just realized that I've become entirely too accustomed to business attire.
(10:56:13 PM) MobileDigit: I talked to all these people about liberty. This is why you should give me money. I am making things happen. I want you to make money making things happen too.
(10:56:32 PM) MobileDigit: I just want to implement my ideas as soon as possible, and I need your help to do it.
(10:56:41 PM) MobileDigit: Are you willing to get paid to help me, now?
(10:57:11 PM) Lindsey`: Uhm, no.
(10:57:29 PM) Lindsey`: By giving you money, I am losing money.
(10:57:37 PM) Lindsey`: I can speak for myself, I don't need anyone to do it for me.
(10:58:06 PM) MobileDigit: Do you think Penn Jillette ( will give me money?
(10:58:10 PM) Lindsey`: Try some channels on Undernet though, you could probably get some of those idiots to give you money.
(10:58:19 PM) Lindsey`: He might give you money to go away.
(10:58:23 PM) MobileDigit: What do you mean?
(10:58:26 PM) MobileDigit: haha
(10:58:38 PM) rabidfurby: No, I think Penn Jillette is smart.
(10:59:01 PM) MobileDigit: Hey, I just want to convince you that I am reasonable. Won't you at least let me show you? If you disagree with something I say you need to tell me.
(10:59:19 PM) MobileDigit: What channels on Undernet do you think?
(11:00:18 PM) MobileDigit: here is that thing I gave Bubba, I think it is awesome:
(11:00:55 PM) MobileDigit: So, why exactly don't you want to be paid to implement liberty?
(11:01:12 PM) MobileDigit: It sounds like a dream come true to me.
(11:01:19 PM) MobileDigit: Which is why I love this idea so much.
(11:01:36 PM) rabidfurby: I hadn't noticed.
(11:01:51 PM) MobileDigit: And to be honest, I haven't had anyone successfully (ie not quit the conversation) argue against me.
(11:01:55 PM) MobileDigit: haha
(11:02:31 PM) MobileDigit: Until someone does that I am going to argue as hard and passionately as I can about this idea so we can finally get rid of government. Fuck government, don't you think?
(11:03:23 PM) MobileDigit: I can pay you 1.5x what you are making now, and all you have to do is tell other people that government is bad.
(11:03:34 PM) MobileDigit: How easy of a job is that?
(11:03:41 PM) MobileDigit: Come on, someone take me up on my offer
(11:03:47 PM) MobileDigit: Please?
(11:03:54 PM) rabidfurby: Fine. $1000/hr and I'll do it.
(11:04:56 PM) MobileDigit: Do you think that I can pay you that? Don't you want to be paid? If so, you must come up with a number that I think is reasonable, even if it contradicts the 1.5x I said previously. I can give you the money if you are willing to spread this message. Are you?
(11:06:08 PM) MobileDigit: Please don't leave me hanging, that sucks.
(11:06:15 PM) MobileDigit: Tell me what you think.
(11:06:50 PM) rabidfurby: plus a 10% bonus to make up for having an annoying boss.
(11:07:27 PM) MobileDigit: If you read this later, send me an email at Whatever you can do I can put to use, believe me. The future is only one step away from happening, and you are that step.
(11:09:07 PM) rabidfurby: dude, I just went to go grab a soda. I didn't abandon you.
(11:09:48 PM) MobileDigit: You can't just call me annoying and expect to get away with it. The reason I am 'annoying' is because I am advocating an idea you have never heard before, and your skepticism is getting the best of you. Would you have called Einstein annoying because he passionately believe in his view of space and time? He, and I, always keep in mind that there is the possibility of falsehood, but that doesn't mean my idea is necessarily fa
(11:10:15 PM) MobileDigit: Oh, good. Can you imagine me being in my situation, and just having everyone walk away from the table? :(
(11:10:59 PM) MobileDigit: So, how much money does it take for you to have the passion to spread liberty like I am now?
(11:11:19 PM) rabidfurby: I sincerely apologize. I'll ask your permission the next time I'm thirsty.
(11:11:52 PM) MobileDigit: You don't have to ask my permission, I just hope you will never leave a question I ask unanswered. That is the path to tyranny and god.
(11:12:17 PM) MobileDigit: I want us to get off that path, and I want you to make money helping me help us get off it.
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: Paul-ish on February 16, 2008, 03:14:54 AM
you guessed it...

(11:13:00 PM) Lindsey`: I think MD and Richard_III are the same person.
(11:13:07 PM) MobileDigit: So, won't you consider joining me in the Ultimate Diffusion of Ideas? Do you want to start with me on this project?
(11:13:08 PM) Lindsey`: Look at the pattern of the incessant babbling.
(11:13:15 PM) MobileDigit: haha you are right
(11:13:29 PM) MobileDigit: About the incessant babbling, at least. :P
(11:13:57 PM) MobileDigit: But that is only because I am convinced that this is a great idea. I need all the help I can possibly get.
(11:14:55 PM) Lindsey`: Have you actually found anyone to help you with this?
(11:15:06 PM) Lindsey`: Because it's seriously the worst idea I think I've heard in a while.
(11:15:29 PM) Lindsey`: If you can't get die-hard anarcho-capitalists here to pay you to babble incessantly to strangers, you're probably not gonna get much anywhere else.
(11:15:54 PM) Lindsey`: Especially for something we are all more than capable of doing ourselves.
(11:16:31 PM) MobileDigit: Fuck you Lindsey. You see how I am talking to people and then you decide not to help me help us advance liberty. If you aren't willing to help me, fuck you. You are not a true liberty lover if you don't want to help enact it.
(11:17:00 PM) Lindsey`: Wow, the pinnacle of ridiculousness has now been reached.
(11:17:31 PM) rabidfurby: Mobile, there is a difference between not wanting to give you money and not wanting to achieve liberty.
(11:17:33 PM) MobileDigit: I can pay all diehard anarcho-capitalists as much as they are willing to work for.
(11:17:54 PM) rabidfurby: No, you can't.
(11:18:03 PM) Lindsey`: You need help, son.
(11:18:07 PM) rabidfurby: I said $1000/hr earlier and you said no.
(11:18:08 PM) Lindsey`: Urgent help.
(11:18:30 PM) MobileDigit: I don't think there is. If you don't help me, you are wasting your time. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I ever have been before, so why would I be in this instance where I believe I have everything going for me? If you disagree tell me why!
(11:18:35 PM) rabidfurby: There's obviously a cap on what you can pay, so say what it is.
(11:18:48 PM) Lindsey`: What makes you believe that you have never been wrong?
(11:19:06 PM) MobileDigit: No one is willing to pay me that because you telling people about liberty is just plain not worth that unless you are the president or have the ability to talk to that many people.
(11:19:35 PM) MobileDigit: Unless I get a reasonable offer, I cannot accept. If I do, I will not hesitate to accept.
(11:19:40 PM) Lindsey`: So what makes the difference between your incessant babbling and my incessant babbling, or rabidfurby's incessant babbling?
(11:19:47 PM) Lindsey`: What makes you so much better than everyone else?
(11:20:03 PM) MobileDigit: How many ounces of silver a month does it take you to be willing to spread my message?
(11:20:06 PM) rabidfurby: Well, I'm sometimes wrong, but Mobile is always right, because he says so.
(11:20:17 PM) rabidfurby: So he's clearly better.
(11:21:12 PM) MobileDigit: The difference is no one has successfully argued against my ideas. Just read over this chat log and you will see I am ultimately the most rational one here.
(11:21:16 PM) Lindsey`: Oh, excuse me.  I should've known.
(11:21:31 PM) MobileDigit: wow, you read that fast.
(11:21:33 PM) Lindsey`: Well, I think I am the most rational one here, and that you should pay me to spread the message of liberty.
(11:21:54 PM) Lindsey`: I'm very quick.  I'm a quick reader, I'm a quick thinker, I'm a quick typer, and I'm quick on my feet.
(11:21:56 PM) rabidfurby: Fuck you Lindsey, I am obviously more rational.
(11:22:18 PM) Lindsey`: Well fuck you furbuster.  I have a vagina, therefore *I* am more rational.
(11:22:57 PM) rabidfurby: No, you are a female, and females lack souls and thus the capacity for abstract and rational thought.
(11:22:59 PM) MobileDigit: I'm not saying I'm always right, I'm just asking you to not dismiss my argument (
(11:23:46 PM) rabidfurby: So, your webhost allows unlimited domains, huh? That's cool.
(11:24:04 PM) Lindsey`: I think I'll just start making a new website for every day of the week.
(11:24:13 PM) Lindsey`:
(11:24:15 PM) MobileDigit: Because so far no one here has accepted the truth I promote. Until you do I will continue to try to convince you. I hope you are at least willing to be in search of the truth, and don't just stick with whatever ideas you had before you heard of my message.
(11:24:33 PM) Lindsey`: We don't necessarily agree with your version of the "truth"
(11:24:38 PM) Lindsey`: It is, however, pretty fucking entertaining.
(11:24:51 PM) Lindsey`: If I had a bottle of Patron, it'd be even more entertaining.
(11:24:54 PM) MobileDigit: No, I am just going to forward to
(11:25:10 PM) rabidfurby: I could go for another bowl.
(11:25:17 PM) shinyvandal: I wish I had Patron too
(11:25:23 PM) Lindsey`: Thank the FSM that I'm only working until 2:30 tomorrow.
(11:25:25 PM) MobileDigit: I know you don't necessisarily agree, but are you willing to be persuaded?
(11:25:47 PM) Lindsey`: You haven't persuaded me at all yet.  So far, all I see is random babbling from you.  To me, it isn't rational.
(11:25:54 PM) MobileDigit: thanks for reminding me to take another hit, rabid.
(11:26:03 PM) Lindsey`: Don't get me wrong, and I've said this before - you and I agree on a lot of ideas
(11:26:04 PM) MobileDigit: Why not?
(11:26:05 PM) rabidfurby: First step in persuading me would be to stop insisting that you've always right.
(11:26:06 PM) Lindsey`: But this surely is not one of them.
(11:26:12 PM) Lindsey`: THAT
(11:26:12 PM) Lindsey`: WHAT
(11:26:13 PM) Lindsey`: HE
(11:26:14 PM) Lindsey`: SAID
(11:26:29 PM) Lindsey`: Acting like a complete and total jackass teenager isn't going to get you far :-P
(11:26:36 PM) Lindsey`: I'm just trying to help, man.
(11:26:39 PM) rabidfurby: Take a couple, Mobile. This is just getting good.
(11:26:44 PM) MobileDigit: I never insisted I was always right, I am just telling you, personally, believe that I have never been wrong, or if I was, I realized it and stopped.
(11:26:47 PM) Lindsey`: You want to convince people of something, you need to concede their points and give a little bit.
(11:27:02 PM) Lindsey`: That's how you get people to give you what you want.
(11:27:07 PM) rabidfurby: You just changed your position!
(11:27:15 PM) Lindsey`: I see what he did there.
(11:27:31 PM) Lindsey`: I still maintain that he is Richard_III
(11:27:33 PM) Lindsey`: Lol
(11:27:41 PM) MobileDigit: I didn't, my position has stayed the same, you're understanding of my position has changed! That is a good thing.
(11:27:46 PM) rabidfurby: Previously, you said you'd never been wrong, but now that you might have been wrong and changed.
(11:27:59 PM) MobileDigit: I will have to talk to him, he would be a great person to pay for liberty.
(11:28:02 PM) Lindsey`: Well, he did say that he THINKS he's never been wrong.
(11:28:08 PM) rabidfurby: fucking hell, don't make me sic my scrollback on you
(11:28:23 PM) Lindsey`: Just because he thinks it, does not make it so.
(11:28:37 PM) Lindsey`: I think I am the coolest person ever, and that I too have never been wrong.
(11:28:41 PM) MobileDigit: If you go back and read what I said, you will see I never said I didn't have the possibility of being wrong, only that I think I have Always Been Rational.
(11:28:56 PM) Lindsey`: Since when are those three words proper nouns?
(11:29:07 PM) MobileDigit left the room (quit: "Visit! PJIRC forever!").
(11:29:21 PM) MobileDigit [] entered the room.
(11:29:24 PM) MobileDigit: shit
(11:29:35 PM) MobileDigit: Can someone email me the chat history?
(11:29:46 PM) MobileDigit: I don't want to lose it, I want to read what I said later.
(11:29:50 PM) Lindsey`: I think I just had a small stroke.
(11:29:52 PM) MobileDigit:
(11:29:55 PM) MobileDigit: hahah
(11:30:06 PM) Lindsey`: And a brain bleed.
(11:30:14 PM) MobileDigit: Why?
(11:30:14 PM) Lindsey`: And my spleen is probably leaking out of my pores.
(11:30:19 PM) MobileDigit: haha
(11:30:19 PM) Lindsey`: Because you make my brain cry.
(11:30:22 PM) Lindsey`: So fucking hard.
(11:30:31 PM) MobileDigit: Well, if it'
(11:30:38 PM) Lindsey`: I can't even put in to words the amount of disbelief I feel right now.
(11:30:40 PM) MobileDigit: s true isn't that ultimately a good thing?
(11:30:56 PM) Lindsey`: Uhm, no.  A crying brain is never good.
(11:31:00 PM) MobileDigit: If we can achieve liberty my way, don't you think we should?
(11:31:09 PM) Lindsey`: I don't think your way is the best way.
(11:31:16 PM) MobileDigit: ^ That is what I meant.
(11:31:18 PM) MobileDigit: What?
(11:31:27 PM) Lindsey`: I don't think paying you to do something a lot of people can do themselves is the best way to be free.
(11:31:35 PM) MobileDigit: Why not?
(11:31:44 PM) Lindsey`: Because we can all talk to other people ourselves.
(11:31:52 PM) Lindsey`: It's not logical.
(11:31:54 PM) MobileDigit: BTW, you would be paying Liberty Future Webworks Inc, not me specifically.
(11:32:02 PM) MobileDigit: nonsense.
(11:32:25 PM) Lindsey`: It's like this.  I can do my own laundry, and I have a washing machine and dryer right here in the house.  There would be no reason for me to go elsewhere and pay someone else to do my laundry for me.
(11:32:31 PM) MobileDigit: I pay FTL AMP money. I could just talk to other people, but Ian allows me to support him directly, and so I do.
(11:32:38 PM) rabidfurby: If someone has to be paid to work for liberty, are they really that dedicated to begin with?
(11:33:28 PM) MobileDigit: There is a reason, and that reason is if it is cheaper. If you can spend $50 once a week for a maid, then you gain huge amounts of time that you lost doing laundry.
(11:33:42 PM) Lindsey`: Now, my hair.  I can't cut my own hair - without looking like a fucking asshole moron - so I pay someone else to do it for me.
(11:33:48 PM) Lindsey`: I could easily talk to people about liberty.
(11:33:51 PM) MobileDigit: Yes, because getting paid is what makes people do things.
(11:33:52 PM) Paulish: This all sounds very cult like to me
(11:34:03 PM) Lindsey`: And I think that given your attitude and outlook on things, that I could do a much better job.
(11:34:06 PM) Paulish: Rule #1 MobileDigit is never wrong
(11:34:19 PM) MobileDigit: Cult implies religion, I am against all religion, including politics.
(11:34:19 PM) Paulish: Rule #2 MobileDigit is NEVER wrong
(11:34:31 PM) MobileDigit: Rule #1 - There is possibility?
(11:34:37 PM) rabidfurby: Ahhhhh, yes of course! Money is the only reason anyone ever does anything.
(11:34:39 PM) MobileDigit: Rule #2 - There is possibility!
(11:34:43 PM) rabidfurby: It all makes sense now.
(11:34:46 PM) Lindsey`: Because with what I've seen in the past hour or so, you're gonna piss people off.  If they don't agree with you - you go straight to the fuck you and then it's over.
(11:34:48 PM) Paulish: Rule #3 If he is "wrong", it is in fact your perception of things
(11:34:49 PM) Lindsey`: That won't work.
(11:34:50 PM) MobileDigit: Do you agree with me?
(11:35:09 PM) Paulish: and rand ass capitalization of nouns
(11:35:17 PM) Lindsey`: You lack personality, at least with what you present via the internet.
(11:35:38 PM) Paulish: isnt libertarianism a lot about decentralized grassroots efforts?
(11:35:46 PM) Paulish: so whats the point in centralizing it?
(11:35:55 PM) Paulish: to you
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: Paul-ish on February 16, 2008, 03:16:43 AM
(11:36:03 PM) Lindsey`: You need to change your business model to develop yourself a personality, because a rapport with your "customers" is what's going to make them trust you, like you, and want to give you money.
(11:36:07 PM) MobileDigit: Paulish, go back and check what I said, you will see I didn't say I could never be wrong. If you aren't willing to go back and look to check my evidence, are you really arguing with me, or are you just believing government and god and the failure of my idea are necessarily true.
(11:36:16 PM) Lindsey`: If you're going to try this horse shit, at least try doing it well.
(11:36:17 PM) MobileDigit: I propose the latter.
(11:36:21 PM) Lindsey`: And not being a dick.
(11:37:15 PM) rabidfurby: Mobile, you might also want to not lump anyone who disagrees with you in with statists and theists.
(11:37:36 PM) Lindsey`: Yeah, that's also really good advice.
(11:37:45 PM) MobileDigit: You aren't centralizing it, you are decentralizing it! I am giving you the power to make money spreading liberty. If anyone wants to copy my idea and get people to give money to an org so that it can pay liberty activists, be my guest! My ultimate goal is complete liberty, the money I make, and fun You and I can have, is just a side benefit.
(11:37:50 PM) Lindsey`: If you want to trick people in to parting with their money, you can't be a goddamned asshole.
(11:38:02 PM) Lindsey`: I don't think I have ever experienced fun with you involved.
(11:38:09 PM) MobileDigit: What should I change my business model to, Lindsey?
(11:38:23 PM) Lindsey`: I just fucking TOLD you what you need to implement.
(11:38:27 PM) Lindsey`: Can you read?
(11:38:30 PM) Paulish: this is what I call slactavism
(11:38:30 PM) MobileDigit: I don't mean to be a dick, but if you were in my position would you really say anything different?
(11:38:30 PM) Lindsey`: Do you have any friends?
(11:38:34 PM) Lindsey`: Do you ever go outside?
(11:38:37 PM) Paulish: you dont have time to stand up for your principle
(11:38:40 PM) Paulish: so pay others to do it
(11:38:44 PM) Lindsey`: I wouldn't be in your position, because I think you're nuts.
(11:38:53 PM) MobileDigit: I don't mean to be a goddamned asshole. I only want you to want to help me spread liberty.
(11:39:00 PM) Paulish: we are
(11:39:06 PM) Paulish: we just dont think $$ needs to be involved
(11:39:11 PM) MobileDigit: Are you my friend Lindsey?
(11:39:20 PM) Lindsey`: I've never even met you.
(11:39:32 PM) Lindsey`: My friends don't usually make me want to punch babies, either.
(11:39:49 PM) Paulish: my friends do
(11:39:51 PM) Paulish: is that wierd?
(11:39:53 PM) Paulish: oh wait
(11:39:53 PM) MobileDigit: slactavism? Are you implying that I am not on the internet talking about liberty right now? I am not slacking, I am working. AND SPREADING LIBERTY.
(11:39:54 PM) Lindsey`: Yes.
(11:39:57 PM) Lindsey`: You need new friends.
(11:39:59 PM) Paulish: I always want to punch babies
(11:40:02 PM) Paulish: nvm its  me
(11:40:09 PM) Paulish: :P I jk
(11:40:10 PM) Lindsey`: You can't spread liberty to people that already believe in liberty
(11:40:23 PM) Paulish: i am not saying you are a slacker
(11:40:29 PM) Lindsey`: Especially in a room full of people who think you're batshit, and are laughing at you.
(11:40:35 PM) Lindsey`: Oh wait...
(11:40:38 PM) Lindsey`: We're laughing with you.
(11:40:39 PM) MobileDigit: Fuck that idea paulish, money is vital to humanity's successfull ability to have a division of labor, which is the reason having more minds makes us more prosperous.
(11:40:40 PM) Lindsey`: Yes, that's it.
(11:40:43 PM) Paulish: I am saying if people think giving you money every month will bring liberty, they are diluted
(11:40:57 PM) Lindsey`: Nah, they're just idiots.
(11:41:04 PM) Lindsey`: You think they're watered down?
(11:41:06 PM) MobileDigit: You don't believe in what I think is true liberty: Ultimate knowledge agnosticism.
(11:41:07 PM) Lindsey`: Wait.  What?!
(11:41:27 PM) MobileDigit: And you don't want to pay me, so can you see how from my point of view you don't want liberty?
(11:41:38 PM) Paulish: no i cant
(11:41:42 PM) Paulish: free talk live asks for money
(11:41:48 PM) Paulish: but doesnt say your against them if you dont give
(11:42:26 PM) Lindsey`: This is completely beyond all reproach.
(11:42:35 PM) Lindsey`: I think I'm crying from laughing so hard.
(11:42:35 PM) rabidfurby:
(11:42:36 PM) MobileDigit: I ultimately don't care if you think I am batshit if you ultimately end up agreeing with me, which I think you will unless you are intellectually dishonest. I honestly believe I can convince you, if you are just willing to be convinced. Open minds, open markets.
(11:42:39 PM) Lindsey`: Or because this is circular.
(11:42:51 PM) rabidfurby: This is epic.
(11:42:53 PM) Lindsey`: I think you're the one that needs to open your mind.
(11:42:57 PM) rabidfurby: Absolutely epic.
(11:43:05 PM) Lindsey`: To the possibility that there is a better way than paying you for something.
(11:43:28 PM) MobileDigit: FTL should say that if you don't give them money, you are not rational, because FTL does a huge amount of work, and it's worth way more than $3 a month.
(11:43:43 PM) Paulish: why do you insist that you are the authority on rational?
(11:43:51 PM) Lindsey`: Uhm, well, they don't.  Because Ian is not crazy.
(11:44:05 PM) Lindsey`: I think it's irrational that you think you're presenting a rational plan.
(11:44:06 PM) Paulish: How do you know the people you "convince" dont just turn back to their way of thinking the second you leave
(11:44:09 PM) Paulish: and that would be waste
(11:44:10 PM) rabidfurby: FTL's strategy has them getting $2700+ a month. How's your strategy working out?
(11:44:11 PM) MobileDigit: rabid: funny pic
(11:44:35 PM) Lindsey`: I also think I have to be up in like four and a half hours, so I'm going go back to ignoring you and go to sleep.
(11:44:39 PM) Paulish: With my friends I can gradually watch them grow if you know what I mean
(11:44:50 PM) MobileDigit: It is not circular. Every time you agree with a point I make you advance toward my argument that little bit.
(11:44:51 PM) Paulish: and it spiderwebs out
(11:45:01 PM) Paulish: not true
(11:45:09 PM) Paulish: the destination could be different
(11:45:14 PM) Paulish: even with the same points
(11:45:24 PM) Lindsey`: No, trust me - I'm not advancing toward your side.
(11:45:33 PM) MobileDigit: I don't insist I am the authority on rational, I just want the best future possible and I really believe I can help humanity out one by one. Is that really such a crazy idea, Lindsey?
(11:45:39 PM) Paulish: omg Lindsey making advances on mibiledigit?
(11:45:41 PM) Lindsey`: You're only convincing me that you're crazier than I thought in the first place.
(11:46:01 PM) Paulish: why do you do this for money
(11:46:10 PM) Paulish: why dont you do it because you are passionate for liberty?
(11:46:15 PM) Paulish: is that not enough?
(11:46:17 PM) MobileDigit: rabid: I have earned $0 so far, but yall are the first people I've shared this idea with.
(11:46:22 PM) Lindsey`: You want to help humanity?  Give some of your money to poor people so they can buy an outfit to wear to a job interview, so they can get back on their feet and work.  Go work in a soup kitchen to feed the homeless.
(11:46:26 PM) Lindsey`: Do something for someone else.
(11:46:28 PM) MobileDigit: It does spiderweb out, exactly.
(11:46:42 PM) Paulish: I am saying with friends
(11:46:46 PM) Paulish: not so much with strangers
(11:46:59 PM) MobileDigit: The destination could be different, but I think I can bring you to my point of view if you are willing to advance the argument and ask me questions when you disagree.
(11:47:13 PM) Lindsey`: WE HAVE BEEN
(11:47:14 PM) Paulish: I realized
(11:47:21 PM) Paulish: I have no fucking clue what your "position" is
(11:47:24 PM) Paulish: just that you want money
(11:47:32 PM) MobileDigit: I hope you will Lindsey, because I really think You can help make liberty happen. Why is that crazy?
(11:47:47 PM) MobileDigit: How are you defining crazy?
(11:47:49 PM) ***Lindsey` dies
(11:47:57 PM) Paulish: "I find your lack of faith disturbing..."
(11:48:03 PM) Lindsey`: You're not making any sense, dude.
(11:48:05 PM) Lindsey`: Seriously.
(11:48:22 PM) Lindsey`: I've argued with you.  You ignore it and move back to saying the same thing over and over again.
(11:48:31 PM) Lindsey`: You think you're right, I think I'm right.
(11:48:33 PM) Lindsey`: it ends there.
(11:48:38 PM) Paulish: All hail the great leader MobileDigit!
(11:48:40 PM) rabidfurby: Mobile, you are really some AI that some crazy geek has been working on in secret for like 20 years, right?
(11:48:51 PM) MobileDigit: My main purpose is not the money, it is the liberty. I came out to my dad with about my agnosticism on 2008-02-12, and this idea crystallized in my head.
(11:48:52 PM) Lindsey`: Maybe he's one of Brede's experiments.
(11:49:08 PM) Lindsey`: I would like to see Brede presented with this idea.
(11:49:19 PM) Paulish: hrm
(11:49:21 PM) MobileDigit: I am passionate for liberty, and it is enough. But money greases social interaction. There is no reason to fear money.
(11:49:21 PM) Lindsey`: THAT would be more fun than a barrel full of drunk monkeys.
(11:49:34 PM) Paulish: there is no reason to fear money is right
(11:49:35 PM) Lindsey`: Uhh, trust me - I don't think any of us fear money.
(11:49:38 PM) Paulish: in fact i want it
(11:49:42 PM) Paulish: in my bank
(11:49:44 PM) Paulish: where it belongs
(11:50:11 PM) Lindsey`: Sometimes I keep it in my bra.  If I were afraid of it, I wouldn't keep it next to the one thing that sets me apart from the rest of the women around me.  :-P
(11:50:20 PM) rabidfurby: Bullshit. If you were rational, you would know that money clearly belongs in my bank.
(11:50:25 PM) MobileDigit: If you just give money to poor people they will not improve their lives as much as if you give them my message of the future of humanity, where all information is available simply by googling.
(11:50:36 PM) Lindsey`: I'm rational enough to know that your penis belongs in my vagina!
(11:50:40 PM) Paulish: knowledge is free right?
(11:50:49 PM) Lindsey`: Right.  Your message is much better than food.
(11:50:51 PM) Lindsey`: FUCK FOOD.
(11:50:53 PM) Lindsey`: Who eats?
(11:50:54 PM) Paulish: so why do we need to pay you
(11:51:04 PM) Lindsey`: He won't answer it, Paul.
(11:51:06 PM) Lindsey`: Don't bother.
(11:51:16 PM) Paulish: dont bother?
(11:51:18 PM) Lindsey`: I already pointed out to him that we can just as easily spread the message of liberty ourselves.
(11:51:19 PM) Paulish: hey guys
(11:51:27 PM) Paulish: give me money and I will pay this guy a personal visit :P
(11:51:42 PM) Lindsey`: He completely circumvents it with a pile of nothing.
(11:52:09 PM) MobileDigit: I really don't understand you're problem with what I am doing. Did you not see this picture of Bubba? See that thing I gave him? That used to be mine. I am going to help him learn about liberty and teach him how to program. Fuck you for thinking I am not helping homeless people. Bubba IS homeless!
(11:52:42 PM) Lindsey`: I think someone should give me money so I can start a Chinese restaurant where we put only liberty-themed fortunes in the fortune cookies.
(11:52:42 PM) MobileDigit: Everyone is ultimately rational, and thus I think everyone will eventually come to my conclusion.
(11:52:47 PM) Lindsey`: See, there you go off the deep end again.
(11:53:01 PM) Lindsey`: With the fuck yous if you don't agree with MobileDigit thing.
(11:53:09 PM) Lindsey`: Fuck you for not agreeing with me.
(11:53:13 PM) Lindsey`: :-P
(11:53:14 PM) ***Lindsey` snickers
(11:53:34 PM) Paulish: that sounds like what Christians are doing in africa
(11:53:47 PM) MobileDigit: I met Bubba as a person for the first time on 2008-02-16. I helped his life by giving him that cool thinkgeek gadget.
(11:53:48 PM) Paulish: "We will feed you, but first you have to convert and read the bible"
(11:54:01 PM) Lindsey`: Oh, you mean that thing that the rest of the world has hated us for for thousands of years?
(11:54:14 PM) Paulish: but instead "I will give you gadgets, but only if you let me brainwash you"
(11:54:19 PM) Lindsey`: Uhm, MD...TODAY is the 16th of February, and it only has been for three hours.
(11:54:39 PM) MobileDigit: Listen Lindsey, I am going to put everything I think on my website, If you are interested in making money to spread liberty, you need to go there.
(11:55:08 PM) Lindsey`: Should I drink the Kool-Aid, sire?
(11:55:21 PM) ***Lindsey` dies
(11:55:32 PM) rabidfurby: Hey, that's my job.
(11:55:35 PM) MobileDigit: At the very bottom is a link to send me a few cents (10 or so), if you think I might be on to something here, just like Einstein was onto the theory of relativity and the idea the light is the fastest speed possible.
(11:55:38 PM) Lindsey`: Oh yes, well.
(11:56:05 PM) rabidfurby: Are you actually comparing yourself to Einstein?
(11:56:10 PM) Paulish: i think he did
(11:56:18 PM) Paulish: you know
(11:56:27 PM) Paulish: its the crazy libertarians that make our job hard
(11:56:32 PM) Lindsey`: I think I just died a little on the inside.
(11:56:43 PM) Lindsey`: Someone hand me my tinfoil hat, and let me rest in peace.
(11:56:55 PM) MobileDigit: #1 - I don't think I ever said I was the most rational person (and I hope you will email me the chat history so I don't loose it, my sister's boyfriend Miles wanted to read it), because I believe everyone is ultimately always rational.
(11:57:34 PM) Paulish: one sec
(11:57:36 PM) Lindsey`: Oh fuck me in the Ozarks.
(11:57:38 PM) Paulish: leme check google desktop
(11:57:38 PM) Lindsey`: I give up.
(11:57:39 PM) Lindsey`: I'm going sleepy.
(11:57:45 PM) MobileDigit: I never said I am never wrong, just that I _believe_ I am never wrong, and if I am, then I want to change my mind to a better idea. Why don't you try to convince me of your idea?
(11:58:03 PM) Lindsey`: Because I'm going to bed, instead.
(11:58:04 PM) MobileDigit: I do want to your come to a side, but it is the side of liberty. :)
(11:58:26 PM) Paulish: cha ching
(11:58:27 PM) Paulish: found it
(11:58:28 PM) Paulish: (11:21:12 PM) MobileDigit: The difference is no one has successfully argued against my ideas. Just read over this chat log and you will see I am ultimately the most rational one here.
(11:58:30 PM) Lindsey`: You know why I'm going to bed?  Because I'm very tired, and I work very hard at my job, and I must go there in a few hours and bust my ass.
(11:59:13 PM) Paulish: I think you owe ME ten cents
(11:59:16 PM) Paulish: :P
(11:59:35 PM) Lindsey`: I think you owe me a few thousand dollars for the past few hours of my life that I will never get back.
(11:59:41 PM) Paulish: I think a better way to fun yourself is with google adwords
(11:59:44 PM) Paulish: fund
(11:59:47 PM) Paulish: and with people
(11:59:48 PM) Paulish: doing stuff
(11:59:51 PM) Paulish: not paying you to do it
(11:59:54 PM) Paulish: end
(11:59:55 PM) Paulish: no more
(11:59:59 PM) MobileDigit: Paulish, I do find your lack of trust in me as a superhuman (that's the term I am using now, and I think you can be superhuman too if you are willing to always advance the argument, at, or by sending me an email.) disturbing, but I understand it. I hope You will come to the position I have, sooner rather than later, so we can have liberty now instead of later.
(2/16/2008 12:00:16 AM) shinyvandal left the room (quit: "ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!").
(12:00:16 AM) Paulish: am i an operating thetan too!
(12:01:01 AM) Paulish: do you take issue with me spreading liberty without giving you money
(12:01:12 AM) Paulish: ?*
(12:01:52 AM) rabidfurby: superhuman? are you fucking serious?
(12:02:06 AM) Paulish: I think he is the next L Ron Hubbard
(12:02:37 AM) Paulish: I will be 60 and it will by "Unkown vs Superhuman Digits on the internetv4.0
(12:02:40 AM) Paulish: "
(12:02:52 AM) MobileDigit: Lindsey, I don't mean to ignore anything you say. I think everything you say helps me, which is why I want to know what you think. What exactly did I ignorre, and how did I exacty move back to saying the same thing? All I want to do is understand your point of view. "There is no reason to be hostile." - This is the idea superhumans reach. When we work in accordance with ourselves, our family, our superfamily (humanity itself
(12:03:01 AM) Paulish: kinda like "$ientology vs anon"
(12:03:10 AM) MobileDigit: Paulish, Do You think I am a good leader?
(12:03:23 AM) Paulish: from what I have heard
(12:03:35 AM) Paulish: you are not quite the charismatic guy people want in leaders
(12:03:45 AM) Paulish: but answer my question
(12:03:48 AM) Paulish: or this goes no further
(12:03:52 AM) Paulish: do you take issue with me spreading liberty without giving you money?
(12:04:19 AM) MobileDigit: Yes rabid, to tell you the truth, I just may be. I have an idea of how to implement AI using Paul Graham's infinity language, Arc. You can help me make this a reality, if that is something you want. Is it?
(12:05:45 AM) Paulish: you avoid the question
(12:05:49 AM) Paulish: do you take issue with me spreading liberty without giving you money?
(12:05:50 AM) Paulish: do you take issue with me spreading liberty without giving you money?
(12:05:50 AM) Paulish: do you take issue with me spreading liberty without giving you money?
(12:05:51 AM) Paulish: do you take issue with me spreading liberty without giving you money?
(12:06:34 AM) rabidfurby: you do knoe that Arc is just a thin wrapper around Scheme, and has no more computational power than any other Turing-equivalent language, right?
(12:07:19 AM) Paulish: pwnt
(12:07:26 AM) MobileDigit: Lindsey, I don't think you are right. You (and I mean that mind inside that brain of yours Lindsey, needs to advance beyond your incorrect assumptions like that you are definitely right, and accept my position of Ultimate knowledge agnosticism. My only claim is in the form of a question: There is possibility? I smoke cannabis, think, and then respond with: There is possibility!
(12:07:56 AM) MobileDigit: Brede, yes. That's who I need to get into touch with on my idea about AI!
(12:08:28 AM) Paulish: oh my jesus
(12:08:34 AM) Paulish: he is talking to people who arn't here
(12:09:23 AM) Paulish: "accept my position of Ultimate knowledge agnosticism."
(12:09:27 AM) Paulish: that sounds so cultlike

and its done... I think
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: MobileDigit on February 16, 2008, 04:04:01 AM
Thank you so much Paulish.

Can I trust you to maintain a copy of this conversation? This is the singularity. We have come upon it.

I hope you will consider honestly if you want more than you have, because I am totally convinced I can give it to you. What do you most want to do with your life? I can make it happen. If I'm totally wrong, at least you gave it a shot, right?

Email me, and tell me what you think:

I will continue responding to points until it stops or I become too tired. Thanks, rabidfurby, for inspiring me with the idea that I am a superhuman, because I am an AI.

Artificial intelligence is possible. I am it. I am a biological machine. The singularity ( is near! (or at least I think so)

I hope you are willing to consider my ideas, at least enough to give me $50 a month. Isn't this idea worthy of it? Yes, and it is worthy of everything you have. I hope I can convince you that the more money you give me, the faster I can implement real change. Give me everything if you ultimately agee with me, because I believe I am the future of humanity and liberty!

If you want to help me, go to ( There is a link at the bottom (just hit end and it will take you there), and I will add a link to the top.

The whole idea of advancing the argument is that humans can change the world and become gods!
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: MobileDigit on February 16, 2008, 04:07:27 AM
Oh, do You have an older copy of the argument? I would like as much of My argument documented as possible, all the way to where I joined the chatroom a few days ago, after having not been in for months, if possible (which someOne probably has). Thanks. Advance The Argument! (

Keep a copy, and spread this text with everyOne, we can achieve superhumanism!
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: rabidfurby on February 16, 2008, 04:09:30 AM
Thanks, rabidfurby, for inspiring me with the idea that I am a superhuman, because I am an AI.

I have got to get my hands on whatever the fuck it is you've been smoking.
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: sillyperson on February 16, 2008, 06:36:36 AM
MobileD, you need some well-defined projects with clear benefits.
Consider picking up one of the zillion tasks at the FSP-IT group...
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: MobileDigit on February 16, 2008, 07:49:48 AM
I already have advanced past that Denis:
Title: Re: Support Me and You support others!
Post by: MobileDigit on February 16, 2008, 07:52:08 AM
Thanks, rabidfurby, for inspiring me with the idea that I am a superhuman, because I am an AI.
I have got to get my hands on whatever the fuck it is you've been smoking.

I drunk a drink, and smoked some ashes I had of some kickass cannabis. If you want, I can give you some.

Ultimately though it was by living the life I have lived that led me to this idea. Everything I have seen backs me up.