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Title: Socialism destroying California
Post by: The Muslim Agorist on March 16, 2010, 02:22:40 PM
I just lost a major client thanks to the pinko commie policies of the City of San Francisco. But it's ok, because that client IS the City of San Francisco. SF has this weird rule that any company that does any work for them, in my case screen printing police and fire uniforms and rec clothes, has to fill out stacks of paperwork showing that everyone in the company is being paid what SF considers a "living wage" which is way higher than what CA considers a "minimum wage." The actual result of this is that businesses are far more inclined to hire undocumented immigrants to keep costs down, which I have absolutely no problem with, it's just funny to watch the policy fail. But it also means hiring a part time clerk to deal with the bureaucracy. Guess what, increased overhead means increased cost to the consumer.

Today the city decided our prices were too high, which is entirely their fault, and outsourced the entire project to a company in Wisconsin, not because we couldn't complete, but because, being outside CA, that company isn't subject to this stupid rule the city imposed in the first place.

Good job government. Way to be looking out for your constituents.

*facepalm
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on March 16, 2010, 04:38:33 PM
SF is stupid.  Come to SD and enjoy some sun and forget about the nutcase liberals for a while.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 17, 2010, 12:51:52 AM
jesus, how the hell can you actually pay a living wage in san francisco without going bankrupt
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: sillyperson on March 17, 2010, 07:56:09 AM
Everything I got to say to people livin' in Cali, I said here, just after I escaped that commie hell-hole
http://freestateblogs.net/history_and_purpose
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: dc0de on March 17, 2010, 08:52:42 AM
You shouldn't accept money that you know is stolen, nor do business with the crooks who stole it, anyway.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: fatcat on March 17, 2010, 11:22:38 AM
You shouldn't accept money that you know is stolen, nor do business with the crooks who stole it, anyway.

guess you don't use government roads then.

oh wait, thats different...
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: The Muslim Agorist on March 17, 2010, 01:04:18 PM
jesus, how the hell can you actually pay a living wage in san francisco without going bankrupt
Apparently by outsourcing to Wisconsin.

You shouldn't accept money that you know is stolen, nor do business with the crooks who stole it, anyway.
I am not the business owner. Just the graphic artist. I don't work in sales. It's out of my control. Although I would certainly prefer another job.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: ForumTroll on March 17, 2010, 04:41:03 PM
Seriously, you bitch and whine all the time...and you live in Cali?

Seriously.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: anarchir on March 17, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
Thanks for sending your money to the state I live in! We'll take the extra dough.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: DontTreadOnMike on March 17, 2010, 06:50:31 PM
California is simultaneously the best state int he Union and the worst. Awesome weather, AWESOME landscapes, great culture and food, BEST BEER IN THE WORLD, etc...

But the worst government. It's enough to make me leave. I'm gonna miss San Diego.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: freeAgent on March 17, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
That policy is full of fail, but what else can you expect from the government?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 17, 2010, 08:47:22 PM
Thanks for sending your money to the state I live in! We'll take the extra dough.

Like you get any benefit from it..
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: anarchir on March 17, 2010, 09:50:46 PM
Thanks for sending your money to the state I live in! We'll take the extra dough.

Like you get any benefit from it..

When the people around me are doing good economically, some of that will rub off of me if I engage in business with them. Ya gotta eat somewhere.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on March 18, 2010, 04:47:35 AM
California is simultaneously the best state int he Union and the worst. Awesome weather, AWESOME landscapes, great culture and food, BEST BEER IN THE WORLD, etc...

But the worst government. It's enough to make me leave. I'm gonna miss San Diego.
That is EXACTLY how I feel.  Although from what I understand MA and NY and NJ have even worse governments.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: One two three on March 18, 2010, 12:36:07 PM
California is simultaneously the best state int he Union and the worst. Awesome weather, AWESOME landscapes, great culture and food, BEST BEER IN THE WORLD, etc...

But the worst government. It's enough to make me leave. I'm gonna miss San Diego.
That is EXACTLY how I feel.  Although from what I understand MA and NY and NJ have even worse governments.

I'm not sure about MA.  But ME, RI and VT likely do.  Although, the government structure in ME and VT makes it far easier to change for the better than the structure of any of those other states.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: MacFall on March 19, 2010, 11:02:34 AM
You shouldn't accept money that you know is stolen, nor do business with the crooks who stole it, anyway.

If you've been robbed as well, accepting money from the thief is just fine, morally speaking; just don't take more than has been taken from you. Although as a matter of prudence one should avoid doing business with crooks, as you say.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 19, 2010, 04:56:54 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
You shouldn't accept money that you know is stolen, nor do business with the crooks who stole it, anyway.

If you've been robbed as well, accepting money from the thief is just fine, morally speaking; just don't take more than has been taken from you. Although as a matter of prudence one should avoid doing business with crooks, as you say.

How would one go about knowing that mount?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 05:41:59 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: dc0de on March 19, 2010, 06:17:25 PM
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...

That's a problem with the "system" and the fact that all those are paid collectively... It's not a problem with "illegals"
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 06:19:43 PM
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...

That's a problem with the "system" and the fact that all those are paid collectively... It's not a problem with "illegals"

Yup, legal Americans take government benefits, too.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.

Nope, legally the US government owns everything in it, and can seize it at will.

Therefore the illegal immigrants are breaking into the country.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 09:06:50 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.

Nope, legally the US government owns everything in it, and can seize it at will.

Therefore the illegal immigrants are breaking into the country.

They own my house and land?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 09:10:23 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.

Nope, legally the US government owns everything in it, and can seize it at will.

Therefore the illegal immigrants are breaking into the country.

They own my house and land?

Hey, what do you think happens if you choose not to pay your property taxes?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 09:18:01 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.

Nope, legally the US government owns everything in it, and can seize it at will.

Therefore the illegal immigrants are breaking into the country.

They own my house and land?

Hey, what do you think happens if you choose not to pay your property taxes?

The same thing that happens if Tony Soprano doesn't get his protection money.  Thugs with guns take your property away.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 09:18:51 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.

Nope, legally the US government owns everything in it, and can seize it at will.

Therefore the illegal immigrants are breaking into the country.

They own my house and land?

Hey, what do you think happens if you choose not to pay your property taxes?

The same thing that happens if Tony Soprano doesn't get his protection money.  Thugs with guns take your property away.

Nope, it was never yours, you just had the government's guarantee that they'll try not to let other people take it, unless you don't pay your property taxes or they choose to take it back using eminent domain.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 09:24:59 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.

Nope, legally the US government owns everything in it, and can seize it at will.

Therefore the illegal immigrants are breaking into the country.

They own my house and land?

Hey, what do you think happens if you choose not to pay your property taxes?

The same thing that happens if Tony Soprano doesn't get his protection money.  Thugs with guns take your property away.

Nope, it was never yours, you just had the government's guarantee that they'll try not to let other people take it, unless you don't pay your property taxes or they choose to take it back using eminent domain.

link?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 09:37:06 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.

Nope, legally the US government owns everything in it, and can seize it at will.

Therefore the illegal immigrants are breaking into the country.

They own my house and land?

Hey, what do you think happens if you choose not to pay your property taxes?

The same thing that happens if Tony Soprano doesn't get his protection money.  Thugs with guns take your property away.

Nope, it was never yours, you just had the government's guarantee that they'll try not to let other people take it, unless you don't pay your property taxes or they choose to take it back using eminent domain.

link?

You're telling me the government doesn't have the power to seize property if you don't pay your taxes, or that they don't have the power of eminent domain?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 09:41:48 PM
funny you don't have an issue w/ hiring illegals, (STOP already w/ the ''undocumented'' bullshit....just like if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't call them an ''uninvited houseguest''),
when illegals are one of the main reasons cali. is going bankrupt.
social services, medical care & schooling for people NOT paying into the system...
my, my, what a paradox

Someone broke into who's house?  The US government does not own a house, individuals do.  Individuals should have the freedom to hire and work as they choose.

Nope, legally the US government owns everything in it, and can seize it at will.

Therefore the illegal immigrants are breaking into the country.

They own my house and land?

Hey, what do you think happens if you choose not to pay your property taxes?

The same thing that happens if Tony Soprano doesn't get his protection money.  Thugs with guns take your property away.

Nope, it was never yours, you just had the government's guarantee that they'll try not to let other people take it, unless you don't pay your property taxes or they choose to take it back using eminent domain.

link?

You're telling me the government doesn't have the power to seize property if you don't pay your taxes, or that they don't have the power of eminent domain?

No, I never said that.  Clearly, thugs with more guns than you can take your property.  We're in agreement.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 10:00:38 PM
You consent to live under the rules of the US government.

Therefore hey, you're bound to them, especially if you still claim citizenship in the USA.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 10:01:50 PM
You consent to live under the rules of the US government.

Therefore hey, you're bound to them, especially if you still claim citizenship in the USA.

I do not consent.  That's the point.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 19, 2010, 10:06:58 PM
asshole.....until mexico lets me buy oceanfront or run for mayor in their country.....
suck my big-red-american cock
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 10:07:44 PM
asshole.....until mexico lets me buy oceanfront or run for mayor in their country.....
suck my big-red-american cock

Convincing.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 19, 2010, 10:09:00 PM

Yup, legal Americans take government benefits, too.

...and most PAY IN, you insipd cunt
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 10:10:11 PM
You consent to live under the rules of the US government.

Therefore hey, you're bound to them, especially if you still claim citizenship in the USA.

I do not consent.  That's the point.

Yes, you do consent by living under the law of the USA.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 10:11:15 PM

Yup, legal Americans take government benefits, too.

...and most PAY IN, you insipd cunt

Do they?  50% of Americans don't pay income tax.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 19, 2010, 10:11:35 PM
asshole.....until mexico lets me buy oceanfront or run for mayor in their country.....
suck my big-red-american cock

Convincing.

point being....as you namby-pamby, ''open-border'' morons insist....
the openness is not practiced or tolerated on the other side..
are you that fucking obtuse?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 10:12:17 PM
You consent to live under the rules of the US government.

Therefore hey, you're bound to them, especially if you still claim citizenship in the USA.

I do not consent.  That's the point.

Yes, you do consent by living under the law of the USA.

How do you figure that existing in a land mass = consent?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 19, 2010, 10:12:27 PM

Yup, legal Americans take government benefits, too.

...and most PAY IN, you insipd cunt

Do they?  50% of Americans don't pay income tax.

and 0% of illegals pay in.......
carry on
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 10:18:40 PM

Yup, legal Americans take government benefits, too.

...and most PAY IN, you insipd cunt

Do they?  50% of Americans don't pay income tax.

and 0% of illegals pay in.......
carry on

Incorrect.  Illegals who work on the books pay payroll taxes.  Americans on welfare/unemployment don't pay payroll taxes.  Illegals who work pay more taxes than Americans who don't.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 10:29:10 PM
You consent to live under the rules of the US government.

Therefore hey, you're bound to them, especially if you still claim citizenship in the USA.

I do not consent.  That's the point.

Yes, you do consent by living under the law of the USA.

How do you figure that existing in a land mass = consent?

Because you live in a territory that is controlled by the US government. You can choose to leave at any time, yet you don't.

Have you given up your US citizenship yet? Until you do, you are regarded as a US citizen.

But you probably won't, because if you ever find yourself stuck in another country you'll just try to get in contact with the US embassy to get out, or you'll want to take advantage of the pros of living in the USA.

Keep in mind, under US law someone who's a citizen *is* allowed to renounce it at any time if he or she wishes to. Why don't you formally renounce your American citizenship, if you hate the government that granted you it so much?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 10:35:14 PM
You consent to live under the rules of the US government.

Therefore hey, you're bound to them, especially if you still claim citizenship in the USA.

I do not consent.  That's the point.

Yes, you do consent by living under the law of the USA.

How do you figure that existing in a land mass = consent?

Because you live in a territory that is controlled by the US government. You can choose to leave at any time, yet you don't.

Have you given up your US citizenship yet? Until you do, you are regarded as a US citizen.

But you probably won't, because if you ever find yourself stuck in another country you'll just try to get in contact with the US embassy to get out, or you'll want to take advantage of the pros of living in the USA.

Keep in mind, under US law someone who's a citizen *is* allowed to renounce it at any time if he or she wishes to. Why don't you formally renounce your American citizenship, if you hate the government that granted you it so much?

Living doesn't mean I consent to the system.  It means I live.  

If your business gets visited by the mafia, and you continue to do business, it doesn't mean you consent to the violence.  It means you are continuing to do business, in spite of the mafia.  

I am not a citizen because I never consented to being one in the first place.  Strangers can regard me as Santa Claus, it doesn't mean it's true.  For something to be true, there must be evidence.  For an agreement to be valid, there must be consent on both sides.  There obviously isn't.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 10:39:04 PM
So why don't you go through the rigmorale of formally renouncing it, then?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 10:41:01 PM
So why don't you go through the rigmorale of formally renouncing it, then?

Do I need to renounce my membership to NAMBLA?  No, because I was never a member of NAMBLA.

The State is not a legitimate body, so I am not going to give them legitimacy by begging for them to give me one of their "favors."  
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 10:56:15 PM
So why don't you go through the rigmorale of formally renouncing it, then?

Do I need to renounce my membership to NAMBLA?  No, because I was never a member of NAMBLA.

The State is not a legitimate body, so I am not going to give them legitimacy by begging for them to give me one of their "favors."  

You have a Social Security card, you (probably) have a driver's license or state ID, you have a birth certificate that says you were born at such-and-such a hospital and at that time you were registered into the system.

Until you renounce your citizenship, you will still be considered to be a citizen of the USA whether you like it or not. So why not completely renounce it? If you truly hate anyone even considering you to be an American citizen, you can solve that by formally renouncing American citizenship.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 11:14:00 PM
So why don't you go through the rigmorale of formally renouncing it, then?

Do I need to renounce my membership to NAMBLA?  No, because I was never a member of NAMBLA.

The State is not a legitimate body, so I am not going to give them legitimacy by begging for them to give me one of their "favors."  

You have a Social Security card, you (probably) have a driver's license or state ID, you have a birth certificate that says you were born at such-and-such a hospital and at that time you were registered into the system.

Until you renounce your citizenship, you will still be considered to be a citizen of the USA whether you like it or not. So why not completely renounce it? If you truly hate anyone even considering you to be an American citizen, you can solve that by formally renouncing American citizenship.

I registered to drive because if I didn't, men with guns would point them at me.  That's an action taken in duress.  Giving your wallet to a mugger doesn't mean you consent to the mugging, it means you don't want additional violence.  You'd prefer to not have the situation happen at all.  Valid transactions only take place between two willing parties, not one willing party and one party under duress.

I did not ask for anyone to give me a Social Security card or a birth certificate, either.  That's just more examples of unilateral transactions, which are clearly invalid.

And again, the State could consider me The Boogeyman (or a turrrrrrist) but since there's no evidence of it being the case, it's simply not true.  People incorrectly regard others all of the time.  So?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 11:21:06 PM
See? No one forced you to get a driver's license; hell, no one's making you drive, either. You could just as easily take a bus.

You consented to the State's laws, and you filled such-and-such information on a form saying that you were a US citizen. You consented to being a US citizen by doing that, as well as probably more than a dozen other things.

Why do you wish to continue being regarded as a US citizen by the Federal government, when you could actually give up your citizenship if you wanted to?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 19, 2010, 11:22:20 PM
It doesn't matter what you consider yourself.  It matters what they consider you.  By being born here, you are a naturalized citizen whether you like it or not.  
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 11:24:06 PM
See? No one forced you to get a driver's license; hell, no one's making you drive, either. You could just as easily take a bus.

You consented to the State's laws, and you filled such-and-such information on a form saying that you were a US citizen. You consented to being a US citizen by doing that, as well as probably more than a dozen other things.

Why do you wish to continue being regarded as a US citizen by the Federal government, when you could actually give up your citizenship if you wanted to?

No, I filled the registration so thugs with guns wouldn't point them at me.  I have the right to travel, even if the mafia doesn't recognize them.  It doesn't mean I consent to the State, it means I don't want to be unfairly locked in a cage.  Giving up your wallet does not consent to the mugging.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 19, 2010, 11:25:14 PM
See? No one forced you to get a driver's license; hell, no one's making you drive, either. You could just as easily take a bus.

You consented to the State's laws, and you filled such-and-such information on a form saying that you were a US citizen. You consented to being a US citizen by doing that, as well as probably more than a dozen other things.

Why do you wish to continue being regarded as a US citizen by the Federal government, when you could actually give up your citizenship if you wanted to?

No, I filled the registration so thugs with guns wouldn't point them at me.  I have the right to travel, even if the mafia doesn't recognize them.  It doesn't mean I consent to the State, it means I don't want to be unfairly locked in a cage.  Giving up your wallet does not consent to the mugging.

It doesn't matter what you consider yourself.  It matters what they consider you.  By being born here, you are a naturalized citizen whether you like it or not. 

Why do you wish for the Federal government to continue to regard you as a citizen of the USA, if you hate it so much?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 11:31:00 PM
See? No one forced you to get a driver's license; hell, no one's making you drive, either. You could just as easily take a bus.

You consented to the State's laws, and you filled such-and-such information on a form saying that you were a US citizen. You consented to being a US citizen by doing that, as well as probably more than a dozen other things.

Why do you wish to continue being regarded as a US citizen by the Federal government, when you could actually give up your citizenship if you wanted to?

No, I filled the registration so thugs with guns wouldn't point them at me.  I have the right to travel, even if the mafia doesn't recognize them.  It doesn't mean I consent to the State, it means I don't want to be unfairly locked in a cage.  Giving up your wallet does not consent to the mugging.

It doesn't matter what you consider yourself.  It matters what they consider you.  By being born here, you are a naturalized citizen whether you like it or not. 

Why do you wish for the Federal government to continue to regard you as a citizen of the USA, if you hate it so much?

I want them to stop forcing me to do things that I don't agree to.  I want them to stop preventing me from doing things that harm no one.  That's what I want. 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 19, 2010, 11:32:21 PM
It doesn't matter what you consider yourself.  It matters what they consider you.  By being born here, you are a naturalized citizen whether you like it or not.  

Truth and reality matter to me.

Pointing a gun at someone doesn't make the action legitimate.  They consider me a citizen because they have more guns than me and the fruits of my labor benefit them -- not because I actually am.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 19, 2010, 11:56:56 PM
See? No one forced you to get a driver's license; hell, no one's making you drive, either. You could just as easily take a bus.

You consented to the State's laws, and you filled such-and-such information on a form saying that you were a US citizen. You consented to being a US citizen by doing that, as well as probably more than a dozen other things.

Why do you wish to continue being regarded as a US citizen by the Federal government, when you could actually give up your citizenship if you wanted to?

No, I filled the registration so thugs with guns wouldn't point them at me.  I have the right to travel, even if the mafia doesn't recognize them.  It doesn't mean I consent to the State, it means I don't want to be unfairly locked in a cage.  Giving up your wallet does not consent to the mugging.

Traveling is a right, but operating a mode of conveyance is a jurisdictional matter.  Since the operating privileges can be revoked, identification is mandatory.  Thus, you consent to identification, part of which is proof of citizenship.  If you are proving your citizenship, you acknowledge it.  Thereby it stands to reason you are using your citizenship for personal gain.  And "rights" are a part of being a citizen.  Without citizenship, you forgo a large number of rights, most of which are granted, and not inherent. 

I'm fully cognizant of a beings right to exist, and I fully agree with your desire to exist beyond the structure of statism.  But you're not doing it right.  There are disqualifiers.  And until you go down the list and check them all off, like filing taxes and owning registered property, you're a citizen. 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 20, 2010, 12:19:52 AM
It doesn't matter what you consider yourself.  It matters what they consider you.  By being born here, you are a naturalized citizen whether you like it or not.  

Truth and reality matter to me.

Pointing a gun at someone doesn't make the action legitimate.  They consider me a citizen because they have more guns than me and the fruits of my labor benefit them -- not because I actually am.

No, retard.  They consider you a citizen because you have a bunch of citizenship papers and you keep on using them. 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 20, 2010, 09:23:36 AM


Incorrect.  Illegals who work on the books pay payroll taxes.  Americans on welfare/unemployment don't pay payroll taxes.  Illegals who work pay more taxes than Americans who don't.


i see you've bought into the illusion.....
illegals DON'T have s.s. numbers...
without s.s. #'s, there are no deductions.
you have to have this little number to apply your withholdings to....getit?

illegals are paid under the table....in cash
illegals can't get bank accounts without that secret little number, so they can't cash payroll checks....getit?

cash = NO PAY INto the ''system''
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 20, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
See? No one forced you to get a driver's license; hell, no one's making you drive, either. You could just as easily take a bus.

You consented to the State's laws, and you filled such-and-such information on a form saying that you were a US citizen. You consented to being a US citizen by doing that, as well as probably more than a dozen other things.

Why do you wish to continue being regarded as a US citizen by the Federal government, when you could actually give up your citizenship if you wanted to?

No, I filled the registration so thugs with guns wouldn't point them at me.  I have the right to travel, even if the mafia doesn't recognize them.  It doesn't mean I consent to the State, it means I don't want to be unfairly locked in a cage.  Giving up your wallet does not consent to the mugging.

Traveling is a right, but operating a mode of conveyance is a jurisdictional matter.  Since the operating privileges can be revoked, identification is mandatory.  Thus, you consent to identification, part of which is proof of citizenship.  If you are proving your citizenship, you acknowledge it.  Thereby it stands to reason you are using your citizenship for personal gain.  And "rights" are a part of being a citizen.  Without citizenship, you forgo a large number of rights, most of which are granted, and not inherent. 

I'm fully cognizant of a beings right to exist, and I fully agree with your desire to exist beyond the structure of statism.  But you're not doing it right.  There are disqualifiers.  And until you go down the list and check them all off, like filing taxes and owning registered property, you're a citizen. 


They have no real jurisdiction, thatís my point.  Having more guns than me doesnít = legitimate jurisdiction.  If I go into the gang land of Compton and get harassed by the Crips, that doesnít mean the Crips have jurisdiction over the area.  Individuals who own private property do.  It means the Crips have more guns.  So?

When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself.  I do so because I donít want to be unfairly thrown in a cage, not because I legitimize the State.  When I give a mugger my wallet, it is not a legitimate donation.  Itís a thug who is violating a victim.  I never agreed to the Federal tax and law system, therefore, I am not obligated to follow them.  If I break their arbitrary laws and they find out about, I understand there could be consequences. But those consequences would be illegitimate and immoral, since I never agreed to follow them.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 20, 2010, 10:13:56 AM


Incorrect.  Illegals who work on the books pay payroll taxes.  Americans on welfare/unemployment don't pay payroll taxes.  Illegals who work pay more taxes than Americans who don't.


i see you've bought into the illusion.....
illegals DON'T have s.s. numbers...
without s.s. #'s, there are no deductions.
you have to have this little number to apply your withholdings to....getit?

illegals are paid under the table....in cash
illegals can't get bank accounts without that secret little number, so they can't cash payroll checks....getit?

cash = NO PAY INto the ''system''

What illusion?  I know how things work.  I work with companies every day who engage in the practice so I know what goes on.

Illegals donít have SS numbers, sure.  But that doesnít mean they canít pay payroll taxes.  Some employers who donít want to get wacked by the violent monopoly will force employees to give a SS number.  So illegals give them fake ones and the employers withhold payroll taxes on their behalf.  The violent monopoly obviously sees two tax deposits from the same SS number (and different names) and they do nothing because itís more stolen money for them.

Illegals can and do get bank accounts.  Bank of America doesnít require you to be a legal citizen to have a bank account.  Not coincidentally, BOA is the closest bank to the Fed. 

Illegals who work pay in much more than legal Americans who donít work.  Sorry to break your stereotype, but thatís just reality.

Get it?  Ha. 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 20, 2010, 04:25:12 PM

When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 20, 2010, 04:37:38 PM

When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 

Nah, only when I cross arbitrary, imaginary boundaries.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 20, 2010, 04:50:19 PM

When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 

Nah, only when I cross arbitrary, imaginary boundaries.

Like property lines? 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 20, 2010, 05:25:40 PM
sounds like someone lives in a very thuggy town
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 20, 2010, 06:11:48 PM
sounds like someone lives in a very thuggy town

Sounds like someone's been listening to too much Stefan. 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 20, 2010, 06:16:21 PM
sounds like someone lives in a very thuggy town

Sounds like someone's been listening to too much Stefan. 


indeed.
the ol' molyneux koolaid
too bad stef didn't use the jimbo jones recipe.....
guyana grape
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 20, 2010, 06:57:48 PM

When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 

Nah, only when I cross arbitrary, imaginary boundaries.

Like property lines? 

Nope.  I respect private property, since it's real.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 20, 2010, 06:58:16 PM
sounds like someone lives in a very thuggy town

Sounds like someone's been listening to too much Stefan. 


indeed.
the ol' molyneux koolaid
too bad stef didn't use the jimbo jones recipe.....
guyana grape

What?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 20, 2010, 09:19:43 PM

When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 

Nah, only when I cross arbitrary, imaginary boundaries.

Like property lines? 

Nope.  I respect private property, since it's real.


So, the public property is not real? 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: NotYourSlave on March 20, 2010, 09:32:48 PM

When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 

Nah, only when I cross arbitrary, imaginary boundaries.

Like property lines? 

Nope.  I respect private property, since it's real.


So, the public property is not real? 

Nope.  Is a Crip area in Compton legitimate property?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 20, 2010, 10:55:11 PM

When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 

Nah, only when I cross arbitrary, imaginary boundaries.

Like property lines? 

Nope.  I respect private property, since it's real.


So, the public property is not real? 

Nope.  Is a Crip area in Compton legitimate property?

If its not real, your problem is solved.  Its all part of your imagination. 
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 21, 2010, 10:46:18 AM

Nope.  Is a Crip area in Compton legitimate property?

why don't you walk up to a group of them & axe them?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 22, 2010, 01:55:49 AM
It doesn't matter what you consider yourself.  It matters what they consider you.  By being born here, you are a naturalized citizen whether you like it or not.  

Truth and reality matter to me.

Pointing a gun at someone doesn't make the action legitimate.  They consider me a citizen because they have more guns than me and the fruits of my labor benefit them -- not because I actually am.

No, retard.  They consider you a citizen because you have a bunch of citizenship papers and you keep on using them. 


Yes, this. Why do you continue to keep on using those citizenship papers when you can go through a procedure to have your citizenship pulled?


When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 

Nah, only when I cross arbitrary, imaginary boundaries.

Like property lines? 

Nope.  I respect private property, since it's real.


What if I think that your property isn't real? I could go on it all I like and then you'd be the man pointing the gun at me. What if it's property you're not using? Who says that's your property, anyhow?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: anarchir on March 22, 2010, 02:37:45 AM
It doesn't matter what you consider yourself.  It matters what they consider you.  By being born here, you are a naturalized citizen whether you like it or not.  

His gun, his families guns, and his neighbors guns make it real.

Truth and reality matter to me.

Pointing a gun at someone doesn't make the action legitimate.  They consider me a citizen because they have more guns than me and the fruits of my labor benefit them -- not because I actually am.

No, retard.  They consider you a citizen because you have a bunch of citizenship papers and you keep on using them. 


Yes, this. Why do you continue to keep on using those citizenship papers when you can go through a procedure to have your citizenship pulled?


When I go from Point A to Point B, I am harassed by thugs with guns to ID myself. 


Does this happen every day? 

Nah, only when I cross arbitrary, imaginary boundaries.

Like property lines? 

Nope.  I respect private property, since it's real.


What if I think that your property isn't real? I could go on it all I like and then you'd be the man pointing the gun at me. What if it's property you're not using? Who says that's your property, anyhow?
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: The Muslim Agorist on March 26, 2010, 06:10:25 PM
I could gouge my eyes out! Same city, but now it's public school. They are ordering team spiritwear, like they do every year. Here's the difference. This year there's a budget surplus, and you know how government budgets work. If they don't spend the money they don't get it next year. So this year, instead of regular t shirts and sweats with some basic school logo printed on them, they are trying to find any way to make it more expensive. High end performance sportswear. Multiple imprints, multiple colors. Custom embroidery of student's names. Try as we might, we just cant seem to figure out how to take enough of their money. All the while the state government is telling us that they are in their worst financial crisis ever and if they don't raise taxes they are going to have to start cutting "essential services."

We're doomed. It's over.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on March 27, 2010, 01:42:37 AM
I could gouge my eyes out! Same city, but now it's public school. They are ordering team spiritwear, like they do every year. Here's the difference. This year there's a budget surplus, and you know how government budgets work. If they don't spend the money they don't get it next year. So this year, instead of regular t shirts and sweats with some basic school logo printed on them, they are trying to find any way to make it more expensive. High end performance sportswear. Multiple imprints, multiple colors. Custom embroidery of student's names. Try as we might, we just cant seem to figure out how to take enough of their money. All the while the state government is telling us that they are in their worst financial crisis ever and if they don't raise taxes they are going to have to start cutting "essential services."

We're doomed. It's over.
Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Socialism destroying California
Post by: Riddler on March 27, 2010, 08:54:34 AM
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