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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2010, 07:12:42 PM »

They should most definitely work together. At this point, neither anarchists or minarchists have much of a foothold in the arena of ideas. Both are near the same end of the government spectrum. Look at it like a tug-o-war. We're both on the same side of the current conditions: big government. We both want it smaller, and should both pull together to bring it this way. The debate over little government or no government isn't nearly as immediate of an issue as the Progressive surge we're in the midst of.
Besides, the only reason I'm not anarchist is because I know that some type of government (voluntary or not) will always form. Whether its people explicitly banding together to form a "social contract" or one tribal leader exerting himself on others. I prefer protection of life, liberty, and property and voluntary interaction whenever possible (response to threats and violence grounds for involuntary interaction), and thus I support a minimal, voluntary government.

Just curious, but what do you mean by voluntary? The US Constitution isn't even remotely close to voluntary, not alot of people vote, and the social contract theory of "you can leave" is childish B.S. So what exactly do you mean by voluntary?
I wrote a short essay about this once, if you want to read it. But to sum it up, basically my idea of ideal is a matter of voluntary affiliation and fluid associations that may or may not be geopolitically based. For example, you live on the edge of a county, but recently they've been horrifying you with stifling regulation. In the ideal situation, you could simply "sign up" with the next county over. At that point, your property transfers with you, or you can choose to have no affiliation and not participate freely in services offered by any organization (cops, courts, roads maybe?).
What I'm still trying work out, though, is that it would require some sort of "federal" system to be able to keep "states" from holding their citizens against their will. My idea here is that the smaller states are free to band together to form a larger second level organization.
I'm still working on it, but to me, it fixes the weaknesses of the constitution and affords protections that anarchy can't.
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2010, 07:14:50 PM »

I don't care whether you ally with them or not, but I think people should stop calling them minarchists.  They believe in a minimal state.  They are mini-statists.


I think the term minarchist is fine, but anarchists should be referred to as morons.



It's on our shirts.

Speaking of, will someone please come out with a line of reasonably-priced polos in decent colors with a circle A or a3 embroidered to match the shirts?  How the heck am I supposed to golf in a black polo?

The first rule of Anarchy is DIY, followed by don't pay no taxes. Ya never buy anything with an anarchy sign on it.
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2010, 07:44:00 PM »

I don't care whether you ally with them or not, but I think people should stop calling them minarchists.  They believe in a minimal state.  They are mini-statists.


I think the term minarchist is fine, but anarchists should be referred to as morons.



It's on our shirts.

Speaking of, will someone please come out with a line of reasonably-priced polos in decent colors with a circle A or a3 embroidered to match the shirts?  How the heck am I supposed to golf in a black polo?

The first rule of Anarchy is DIY, followed by don't pay no taxes. Ya never buy anything with an anarchy sign on it.

Dunno where you found rules for anarchy, but DIY is a recipe for a short, miserable life.  I'll go with the division of labor, thanks.
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2010, 07:46:17 PM »

I'm willing to bet that by DIY he meant, not depending on handouts or welfare
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2010, 08:22:13 PM »

I'm willing to bet that by DIY he meant, not depending on handouts or welfare
How much? I think he meant "self-sufficiency", like those hippy techsters that try to make biofuel from cow dung and grass clippings...
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2010, 08:30:34 PM »

That's uncharacteristically antagonistic of you.

Really?  I was going for a matter-of-fact and not particularly antagonistic vibe.

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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2010, 08:31:52 PM »

Isn't the idea of Anarchists uniting antithetical to anarchist beliefs?
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2010, 08:34:47 PM »

Isn't the idea of Anarchists uniting antithetical to anarchist beliefs?

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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2010, 08:39:05 PM »

I'm willing to bet that by DIY he meant, not depending on handouts or welfare
How much? I think he meant "self-sufficiency", like those hippy techsters that try to make biofuel from cow dung and grass clippings...
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Isn't the idea of Anarchists uniting antithetical to anarchist beliefs?

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are you saying that you cant live in a community and be a anarchist?
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2010, 08:44:31 PM »

I meant all of the stuff you guys mentioned, and division of labor works too. Of course the "rule" was a joke.

Trade something for someone to create an anarchy polo shirt, or work out something that doesn't require you to pay taxes. Otherwise it doesn't quite fit with anarchist principles.
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2010, 09:08:02 PM »

I don't see why anarchists and minarchists can't or shouldn't work together.  I would dispute the idea that most minarchists focus on more state involvement in some sort of pet issue rather than a broad reduction of government power.  If you believe such people are minarchists, then I think we have a definitional problem (much like communists who call themselves "anarchists").
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2010, 09:49:39 PM »

Really?  I was going for a matter-of-fact and not particularly antagonistic vibe.

"Statist", even prefixed with "mini", is not likely to be taken well by self-described advocates of liberty.

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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2010, 12:36:23 AM »

I don't see why anarchists and minarchists can't or shouldn't work together.  I would dispute the idea that most minarchists focus on more state involvement in some sort of pet issue rather than a broad reduction of government power.  If you believe such people are minarchists, then I think we have a definitional problem (much like communists who call themselves "anarchists").

Living and working together aren't the same as "uniting."  I find the quote above interesting, coming from someone with an image in his avatar of his hero--the guy who suggested federal income tax withholding.
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Re: Should minarchists and anarchists unite?
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2010, 12:37:03 AM »

Really?  I was going for a matter-of-fact and not particularly antagonistic vibe.

"Statist", even prefixed with "mini", is not likely to be taken well by self-described advocates of liberty.

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There are... challenges, that are very recent.  We are working on them.

I hope they get resolved quickly and all goes smoothly from now on.

Such a general, simplistic statement also undermines any intellectual legitimacy you might show in the rest of the thread.
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