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Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« on: September 06, 2010, 10:45:17 PM »

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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 10:51:04 PM »

He could come back on the proviso he signs a contract not to create sock puppets. Would that help at all?
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 10:57:25 PM »

He hasn't really done anything really bad. He's annoying, but was this BBS in the habit of banning annoying people?
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2010, 11:13:17 PM »

He hasn't really done anything really bad. He's annoying, but was this BBS in the habit of banning annoying people?

Yes, for some time now. 

He could come back on the proviso he signs a contract not to create sock puppets. Would that help at all?

It is also in the habit of banning some sock puppets and/or it's creator but tolerating others on a completely subjective basis.
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 11:18:33 PM »

He hasn't really done anything really bad. He's annoying, but was this BBS in the habit of banning annoying people?

Its a property rights issue. FTL owns the BBS so they have the right to make the rules. On the flipside there is an opportunity cost to FTL in that the board will die if it continually bans interesting people. I still think the best option is to create a competing forum if you think you can do it better.
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2010, 11:20:56 PM »

He hasn't really done anything really bad. He's annoying, but was this BBS in the habit of banning annoying people?

Yes, for some time now. 

He could come back on the proviso he signs a contract not to create sock puppets. Would that help at all?

It is also in the habit of banning some sock puppets and/or it's creator but tolerating others on a completely subjective basis.

Yes.Considering BJ has the same history.
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2010, 11:35:05 PM »

He could come back on the proviso he signs a contract not to create sock puppets. Would that help at all?

Alex is not an honorable man. 

I didn't know he's banned, and don't really care.  This forum is private property and a few people have been given permission to maintain an etiquette here, which has a certain amount of flexibility.  There are no hard-and-fast rules, for the most part.  People are given more than enough rope here to hang themselves.  When a mod acts, its usually well beyond the reasonable limits that other forums wouldn't tolerate. 

He's free to return, Alex is quite adept at working around net issues.  If he returns, he'll probably be observed before any further actions are taken.  Like always.  But his tolerance limits are well below any other non-offender who may act inappropriately, who may never be told to chill the fuck out, because most people realize when they're inappropriate and make an effort to correct their own behavior. 

The owner of this forum has recently rescinded his formerly "virtually unmoderated" edict, so the rules have changed - and by my measure, for the better.  Apple just posted a factoid the other day, he found somewhere in a web biz tracker, which stated the traffic here is worth $250k.  I find that a little hard to swallow, but even if its 10% of that, its still worth maintaining some order. 

Alex Libman has a serious bunch of personality issues to work on, and while the unique philosophy of the average user is one of tolerance, which I agree with - I think his disregard for the whole place and its users merits some special treatment.  If he maintains a level of civility, I have no problem with him hanging here, even if he does recycle his accounts on occasion.  Knowing him, I think he'll come back even more obnoxious, which will result in another expulsion.  We can and will do this all day, every day, until it dissipates his enjoyment of the process and he modifies his behavior. 
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2010, 11:42:09 PM »

Yes.Considering BJ has the same history.

Of threatening to kill people?
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 11:46:15 PM »

Yes.Considering BJ has the same history.

Of threatening to kill people?

No,sock puppetry  :P
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2010, 11:51:21 PM »

Yes.Considering BJ has the same history.

Of threatening to kill people?

I think we both know he's prone to idle rage spewing. 

But I agree with you, because one day it might not be a hollow statement.  Its inappropriate, to be sure - and he does it way too fuckin' often.   

If you want to be the de-facto Alex banner in perpetuity, I won't disagree.  You have your rights to click buttons, and those choices are yours.  I'd probably be more of a wait and see guy, when he reincarnates himself.  He may eventually sort his head out and he has some good qualities, and you can't really observe his behavior if he gets whack-a-moled every time he pops up.



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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2010, 11:58:53 PM »

WTF? Bring him back.
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 12:02:59 AM »

WTF? Bring him back.

He can bring himself back, bro.

You see him here?  I don't.  That means he doesn't care.  For him, it's like walking around a tree.  When he wants to be here, he'll be here - at least temporarily, for however long Jay decides to tolerate him.  
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 12:09:43 AM »

He could come back on the proviso he signs a contract not to create sock puppets. Would that help at all?

Alex is not an honorable man. 

I didn't know he's banned, and don't really care.  This forum is private property and a few people have been given permission to maintain an etiquette here, which has a certain amount of flexibility.  There are no hard-and-fast rules, for the most part.  People are given more than enough rope here to hang themselves.  When a mod acts, its usually well beyond the reasonable limits that other forums wouldn't tolerate. 

He's free to return, Alex is quite adept at working around net issues.  If he returns, he'll probably be observed before any further actions are taken.  Like always.  But his tolerance limits are well below any other non-offender who may act inappropriately, who may never be told to chill the fuck out, because most people realize when they're inappropriate and make an effort to correct their own behavior. 

The owner of this forum has recently rescinded his formerly "virtually unmoderated" edict, so the rules have changed - and by my measure, for the better.  Apple just posted a factoid the other day, he found somewhere in a web biz tracker, which stated the traffic here is worth $250k.  I find that a little hard to swallow, but even if its 10% of that, its still worth maintaining some order. 

Alex Libman has a serious bunch of personality issues to work on, and while the unique philosophy of the average user is one of tolerance, which I agree with - I think his disregard for the whole place and its users merits some special treatment.  If he maintains a level of civility, I have no problem with him hanging here, even if he does recycle his accounts on occasion.  Knowing him, I think he'll come back even more obnoxious, which will result in another expulsion.  We can and will do this all day, every day, until it dissipates his enjoyment of the process and he modifies his behavior. 

Im not claiming he is honorable or even a decent human being. What level of thought crime is acceptable to the mods?  Advocating the violent death of people is not the same as actually performing the act.  Does FTL believe this or do they advocate that there can only be a crime if there is a victim?. Banning someone for being annoying or even advocating skinning a cop alive or any other thing typed in a forum thread is dangerously close to 1984.

That being said FTL owns the bbs so it is up to them what rules they set.
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Re: Should Alex Libman be unbanned?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 12:09:52 AM »

If you guys are worried about Libman's threats, than banning him will not keep you safe.

I mean really.

Libman is a personality I log on to read just as much as the other most active members:

Drifter, Boner, Dragline, Dio, Admiral, Rillion, Lindsay, Hillbilly, Shaw, Richard etc.

To ban Libman, would make me and many others, log on less.

Libman is quirky, but interesting.

Don't get your thongs all stuck up your ass.

He brings something to the table.

Maybe not the Marinated Keene "Pork" you might wanna eat for dinner; but, he's an entrée.



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