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YixilTesiphon

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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2010, 10:36:50 AM »

majority belief that sex belongs in the bedroom w/out spectators.

 

Since when does majority belief matter?
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2010, 10:49:36 AM »

majority belief that sex belongs in the bedroom w/out spectators.

 

Aren't most adult movies watched in the privacy of the home?
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2010, 11:17:11 AM »

I'd like to point out that Larry launched his career on Pee Wee's Playhouse. I don't think he is in a position to judge.
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« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2010, 11:22:09 AM »

I'd like to point out that Larry launched his career on Pee Wee's Playhouse. I don't think he is in a position to judge.
I don't get your comment. Pee Wee's Playhouse is a great show.
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2010, 11:39:02 AM »

a world-wide recognized/accepted activity,

And, there's the rub.

Selling your body so men can watch you take a beating on the football field... okay.
Selling your body to be viewed as a drape for clothing... okay.
Selling your body so men can watch you have sex... not okay.

That's a very interesting assertion.  I had a manufacturing engineering prof in college--a real old-timer story-teller with many great stories to tell.  He told us the following story I'll try not to fuck up.  The language is obviously mine, and the details are as accurate as merited:

"I was back in my home town for the first time in years, and I met a hottie at a bar I hadn't seen since high school.  This was the gal who turned everyone's head back then, and she still turned my head.  She came up to me, sitting at the bar stool, and asked me if I might have $20 [it was 25 years ago, and probably referred to at least 20 years before that], and we might have a little 'fun' together.

"I was a little shocked that this gal I'd known to be very intelligent had resorted to this sort of activity, and I told her, 'no,' I didn't quite have the cash to spare tonight, but I'd really like to buy her a drink or a cup of coffee, and chat, if she had the time.  She more or less 'took the night off,' and we chatted for hours about the way things were, the way things are, and what we were both up to today.

"I got to telling her I was working for a large industrial firm in California, designing a manufacturing process for the production of cutting edge technology, and, thus was making ends meet rather well for a man of my age.  I explained that working for such a company paid off well, but I couldn't tell her too many details, because the information was proprietary and owned by the company.  In fact, while I worked for the company they also owned any ideas I might come up with, though I believed I was well-compensated for that.

"She was quite taken aback when I told her this, and replied 'You would sell your mind to a company?'

"So that's the rub, folks.  Here, this gal who had decided to sell her time, and access to her body, for a living, was horrified that I would allow a company to own my mind.  Before that time, I hadn't given it much thought, but she'd hit the nail on the head.  Folks, think twice before you sell your mind to a anyone. :idea:

"To this day [reaches for wallet and pulls out a $20], I never go anywhere without this in my wallet." :lol:
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2010, 11:48:33 AM »

The laws and social stigma against the sex business is just protectionism for the marriage-divorce industrial complex.
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2010, 11:51:30 AM »

That's a hell of a story, WTFK.
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« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2010, 11:55:21 AM »

And that is sad that you would encourage your daughter down a path that is destructive just to satisfy your own twisted sense of justice for women being slighted in our society.

If you think that doing porn is inherently destructive, and you watch it anyway, that is twisted.

But luckily, it isn't.  It is entirely possible to have a lucrative and safe career in porn, which is what I would encourage my hypothetical daughter to do if I found that she was interested in doing so-- which was the question.   It is simply my refusal to judge my daughter for doing nothing wrong.  "Sad" would be if I did otherwise.   You can call me sad when I say I'd encourage my daughter to work for the IRS. 
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2010, 12:40:56 PM »

That's a hell of a story, WTFK.

Thanks!  I just try to retell it, whenever applicable, without screwing up.  :D


Just added: As long and winding as it initially seems, it probably says a lot more than the sum of its words could, explicitly, and seemed to fit well into this discussion, with regard to "whoring," personal standards, and the old adage that "everybody has a price."
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« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2010, 12:45:01 PM »

It is entirely possible to have a lucrative and safe career in porn

I wouldn't call herpes and HPV "safe".
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2010, 01:23:43 PM »


  Folks, think twice before you sell your mind to a anyone. :idea:



i dunno bout that.
sure, while you're collecting a paycheck from this company, any ideas or solutions, products you come up w/ on their time belong to the ''company''.
that's what being an employee is. don't like it, you start your own company.

as soon as you walk out the door, you're free to come up w/, invent, produce anything you want to, on your own time.
no one ''owns'' your mind 24/7.
i'm sure you can't borrow or reproduce company technology & whatnot, but this seems to me another stretch.
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2010, 01:26:04 PM »

And that is sad that you would encourage your daughter down a path that is destructive just to satisfy your own twisted sense of justice for women being slighted in our society.

If you think that doing porn is inherently destructive, and you watch it anyway, that is twisted.

But luckily, it isn't.  It is entirely possible to have a lucrative and safe career in porn, which is what I would encourage my hypothetical daughter to do if I found that she was interested in doing so-- which was the question.   It is simply my refusal to judge my daughter for doing nothing wrong.  "Sad" would be if I did otherwise.   You can call me sad when I say I'd encourage my daughter to work for the IRS.  

Yes, encouraging work in the IRS would be far worse. But the fact remains, no matter our unique take on it, that the vast majority of society views porn work as some thing unclean. Many of these women, the rare ones that have their head on straight, have a very hard time finding a mate or friends that are willing to accept what they do for living. It is a lonely life that can very easily lead to destructive behavior in an attempt to compensate for the hole in their personal lives. It would not be some thing I would ever wish upon even your hypothetical daughter.

Men and women that watch porn disassociate themselves and do not internalize that the people they are getting off to have families. It is completely natural when that experience is personal, as in a daughter or son, that the reaction is different. There is no hypocrisy.

How about a different game? What does it mean to you when interacting with a known random IRS agent? Now what would your reaction be if your hypothetical daughter would be the one to audit you?

The rub (pun intended) is in the relationship you have with the person doing the act.
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2010, 03:04:18 PM »

Yes, encouraging work in the IRS would be far worse. But the fact remains, no matter our unique take on it, that the vast majority of society views porn work as some thing unclean. Many of these women, the rare ones that have their head on straight, have a very hard time finding a mate or friends that are willing to accept what they do for living. It is a lonely life that can very easily lead to destructive behavior in an attempt to compensate for the hole in their personal lives. It would not be some thing I would ever wish upon even your hypothetical daughter.

If you think I or my hypothetical daughter are unaware of those things, you must deem us both terribly ignorant.  

The conversation about how rough a life in porn can be is different from one about the value of people who have one.  We could have a long and boring talk about how society makes things suck (sorry) for anyone in the sex trade, but since neither of us would learn anything new I don't feel like having it.  Your question stipulated that my hypothetical non-idiot daughter wanted to go into porn.  I'm saying I would treat it like any other risky-but-not-immoral profession and make sure that she knows the risks but otherwise support her.   I'd be a hell of a lot more disapproving if she wanted to join the army, but still wouldn't call her a dumb slut for it.  You see the point?

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Men and women that watch porn disassociate themselves and do not internalize that the people they are getting off to have families. It is completely natural when that experience is personal, as in a daughter or son, that the reaction is different. There is no hypocrisy.

Being natural never stopped anything from being hypocritical.  There's no reason you can't disassociate all you want while jacking off without being judgmental about the people you wank to the rest of the time.  

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How about a different game? What does it mean to you when interacting with a known random IRS agent? Now what would your reaction be if your hypothetical daughter would be the one to audit you?

The rub (pun intended) is in the relationship you have with the person doing the act.

No, the rub is that working for the IRS is a rotten thing to do.   I don't enjoy its existence while condemning its employees.   My reaction to a random IRS agent is the same as my reaction to my uncle who actually is an IRS agent: "It sucks that you do that."
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Re: Sex work and women and stupidity
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2010, 03:45:44 PM »


No, the rub is that working for the IRS is a rotten thing to do.   I don't enjoy its existence while condemning its employees.   My reaction to a random IRS agent is the same as my reaction to my uncle who actually is an IRS agent: "It sucks that you do that."

Fair enough.
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« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2010, 04:35:41 PM »


  Folks, think twice before you sell your mind to a anyone. :idea:



i dunno bout that.
sure, while you're collecting a paycheck from this company, any ideas or solutions, products you come up w/ on their time belong to the ''company''.
that's what being an employee is. don't like it, you start your own company.

as soon as you walk out the door, you're free to come up w/, invent, produce anything you want to, on your own time.
no one ''owns'' your mind 24/7.
i'm sure you can't borrow or reproduce company technology & whatnot, but this seems to me another stretch.

Yeah, you most certainly "don't know" about that.  Do I really have to explain it?

That's exactly what it's about.  People sign contracts to that effect.  When you work, you typically sell your body and your mind for a limited period of time.  When you sign some contracts, you sell both (which amounts to your entire essence) for a much longer period of time.  Think about it.
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