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fatcat

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Re: Sam is a hero!
« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2009, 05:20:54 PM »

To me, what he's doing is heroic, so, he's a hero. If you don't think he's a hero, fine. But the only objective question is whether Sam is heroic to someone, and clearly, the answer is "YES." Therefore, Sam is a hero, because at least one person finds his efforts heroic, even if you do not. Naysayers, STFU, GTFO.

Especially fatcat, who does almost nothing but shit on people who stand up for themselves or even say they'd stand up for themselves if aggressed against, because apparently, actually doing something is inferior to bitching online.

So by this rationale, Hitler was a hero.  George W. Bush was hero.  Obama is a hero.  Some homeless guy pissing his pants is a hero.

Doing something isn't inferior, but there will be criticism no matter which "something" a person undertakes. Now Sam is getting in the regular media, that's fantastic.  I just think it's terribly sad he's starving himself for something that in the long run will most likely be completely forgotten.

This.

Well, I don't think Sam getting in the media is fantastic, because I don't think it will do anything. If people being murdered by polce making it on national news doesn't do anything, I severely doubt some "nut" going on hunger strike is going to open anyones

And please, this isn't an invitation to talk about how its "changing attitudes/public perception". Unless you have numbers to back up this "change in attitude", I'm going to assume its the same meaningless waffle that gets waved around most activism.

Apparently Ed and Elaine Browns protest has changed attitudes, but as far as I can see the government is stronger than ever, there hasn't been any strong increase in people joining liberty movements, and Ed and Elaine Brown now have ALL their shit taxed by the government, and they're sitting pretty in a cage, congratulations.

Since we're on a forum, the whole point is to discuss things. Me saying Sam is wasting his time is no more "inferior" than you saying he's not. We're just talking here.

Its my opinion that Sam is not going to achieve anything. Whether I have a better idea or am doing anything is not of issue. If you have good reasons why Sam is achieving something, you shouldn't have to rely on personal attacks that "i'm not doing anything", as pretty much anyone who criticizes Civ Dis is responded to.

If you want to say he's courageous, thats fine, its courageous to jump into a pit with a lion, but I don't have a particular hard on for courageous acts that don't achieve anything important, and I don't think circle jerking and back slapping for actions that aren't productive.

If you aren't open to discussing the effectiveness of what Sam is doing, whats purpose has the discussion? Meaningless ego stroking? It sure seems like that when people have a hissy fit when people don't agree how great Sam is, and effectively go down to "If you aren't doing anything, shut up", when people should be seriously considering

If this stuff is a highly effective method of achieving liberty, then it is of grave importance to all liberty lovers, and it deserves to be studied so that we can learn from it and get even more liberty. Criticism should be welcomed as a measure to prove how effective this method is, and show other peoples how they can achieve greater liberties, the attitude should definately not be "what we're doing is so great, and anyone who disagrees isn't doing anything so their opinion doesnt count.
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Jetfire

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Re: Sam is a hero!
« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2009, 05:27:33 PM »

I declared him MY hero because the change he made in me. The fact that he's doing that much for his ideals really invokes a lot in me. I'm sure Hitler might have been a "hero" to some people but not to me. Heroes are all opinion based whether it be by a large group or a simple few people. My heroes are not necessarly yours or anyone else's hero. But his courage gives me courage and thats enough for me.
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BonerJoe

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Re: Sam is a hero!
« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2009, 05:28:07 PM »

Oh shaddup already.
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JWI

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Re: Sam is a hero!
« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2009, 06:02:13 PM »

My hero is the person that doesn't spend time rotting in a jail cell for something that won't change a damn thing.
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Jetfire

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« Reply #79 on: May 17, 2009, 06:04:14 PM »

My hero is the person that doesn't spend time rotting in a jail cell for something that won't change a damn thing.

and my hero is someone who gives me courage and strength. Someone who sticks up for what they beleive in regardless of what others say. Heroes are different for everyone.
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JWI

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« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2009, 06:05:09 PM »

My hero is the person that doesn't spend time rotting in a jail cell for something that won't change a damn thing.

and my hero is someone who gives me courage and strength. Someone who sticks up for what they beleive in regardless of what others say. Heroes are different for everyone.

Well at least your heroes will all be in place, usually with visiting hours.
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Jetfire

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« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2009, 06:08:55 PM »

My hero is the person that doesn't spend time rotting in a jail cell for something that won't change a damn thing.

and my hero is someone who gives me courage and strength. Someone who sticks up for what they beleive in regardless of what others say. Heroes are different for everyone.

Well at least your heroes will all be in place, usually with visiting hours.

Hey you can't say he isn't trying. You gotta experiment with what will work. If this is his course of action and he thinks it'll make a difference then its worth a shot. I'm gonna do what I can from what I believe is best to incure any kind of change. I'll look for any opportunities i can. Regardless he has a lot of respect from me for sticking to his guns.
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blackie

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Re: Sam is a hero!
« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2009, 07:30:15 PM »

I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.
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Jetfire

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« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2009, 07:35:01 PM »

I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.

maybe ur a hero to urself or to the bird. u aint no fuckin hero to me. just an asshole. When you can not eat for 4 weeks and stay in a shitty room with bars for four weeks or more then I might change my opinion.
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blackie

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« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2009, 07:38:54 PM »

I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.

maybe ur a hero to urself or to the bird. u aint no fuckin hero to me. just an asshole. When you can not eat for 4 weeks and stay in a shitty room with bars for four weeks or more then I might change my opinion.
The state is paying for Sam's room and board. Sam is on welfare.
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Jetfire

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« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2009, 07:42:34 PM »

I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.

maybe ur a hero to urself or to the bird. u aint no fuckin hero to me. just an asshole. When you can not eat for 4 weeks and stay in a shitty room with bars for four weeks or more then I might change my opinion.
The state is paying for Sam's room and board. Sam is on welfare.

wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.
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fatcat

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« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2009, 08:13:45 PM »

I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.

maybe ur a hero to urself or to the bird. u aint no fuckin hero to me. just an asshole. When you can not eat for 4 weeks and stay in a shitty room with bars for four weeks or more then I might change my opinion.
The state is paying for Sam's room and board. Sam is on welfare.

wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.

Here's sam bitching about there not being hot water in prison.

I guess he's going to be paying for the hot water out of his own paycheck?
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Jetfire

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« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2009, 08:17:24 PM »

doesnt everyone pay for prisoners out of there paycheck? did he pay for THEM including other socialist programs with his own taxes? I'm sure he's just getting his "dues" back or w/e. Despite the fact that his situation is fucking shitty as hell. Hot water? i mean seriously thats fuckin dumb. I would be more then happy to give him a hot shower or anything else he needed if i was able to.
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blackie

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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2009, 08:21:40 PM »

doesnt everyone pay for prisoners out of there paycheck?
Most stuff in NH is payed for with property taxes.
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Re: Sam is a hero!
« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2009, 08:46:07 PM »


wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.

Sam is still in jail because Sam is a fucking moron.  He wants to be in jail. 

He wanted to play legal gotcha games with the court but then it turned around and bit him in the ass. 
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