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Hero
# In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
# A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
If you have any examples of heroic acts sam has done I'd be happy to hear them.
Sam is a hero.
Sam is in jail. That's not "standing up," that's being in jail.
I fail to see anything constructive coming of this.
Anyone care to name dick Sam has achieved besides inflating his own ego and giving civ dis fanatics some hollow sense of purpose?More liberty activists are going to move to Keene, NH because of the heroic actions of Sam.
Setting a precedent in the process, that allows liberty activists to refuse providing a name, social security number, home address, physical characteristics and countless other things they ask, but defendants have no lawful requirement to provide.
Anyone care to name dick Sam has achieved besides inflating his own ego and giving civ dis fanatics some hollow sense of purpose?More liberty activists are going to move to Keene, NH because of the heroic actions of Sam.
Sam has a right to a speedy trail. A right to remain silent and a right to video record in public. All these rights are being violated by a tyrannical government. Some say "He would be free if he would just state his name!" If he states his name, he no longer remains silent, does he? And do not think this cannot happen to you. It can happen to you and may happen to you. Sam is exercising his rights. Anybody who stands firm against tyranny is a hero and Sam is a true hero!
What has Sam accomplished??? Well you may not attribute this rule change to Sam but I sure will. Video recording is now allowed back in the court room because of Sam.Sam was arrested for video recording in the lobby, and that is still not allowed.
Yea seriously he practiced his rights and was arrested. He remained stout with his principles. Despite everything he has faced he hasnt back down. That is nothing in comparison to accidently hurting yourself in some stupid stunt or exposing your penis.
You are correct. Sam truly is a hero. He is actually doing something constructive with his life. Unlike some folk here who talk tons of s#@t!
In fact, I think I am going to design a "FREE SAM" Tshirt and donate the profits to Sam. He deserves it. In fact, I am open to any design ideas. For those who have constructive ideas, please send them my way.
Sam is the Rosa Parks of Keene!
You can criticize all you want but what are you doing to further liberty?
What change are you making?
By all means since we have no perspective on the proper way to handle the government and this entire fucked up statist society why dont you enlighten us?
It's because of people like you that people who are actually trying to achieve something aren't getting enough attention or being taken seriously.
I'm gonna do w/e I can with the options available to me to further liberty.
Even if it takes my life and I dont accomplish anything I'd be happy knowing I fought for something I believe in to the best of my ability and stayed true to my ideals.
You say that there's no evidence of any possible change with the free state project but think about it like a basketball court.
You can practice free throws and suck when you first start but you keep taking shots until you learn how to make the shots.
What better way to figure out the best activism to practice and the best way to enlighten people?
You wanna criticize and bitch and moan but why not back off and stop giving other people shit for doing what they can?
You go three weeks without food. You try going through all that and not breaking down.
He is a hero to me regardless of how useless his actions may or may not seem.
Because of him I am inspired to move on and do everything in my power to contribute.
I have no one who has influenced me like he has.
I always thought a real hero didnt necessarily have to accomplish much but inspired the best in others.
But maybe I'm wrong and delusional for trying to be optimistic and doing what I can to live my life to the best of my beliefs and for the future of society.
Where have I heard this before?
There aren't any easy answers. Liberty in our lifetime is a fucking joke.
I'm partway hopeful about the seasteading institute,
Hopefully I'll move to Zug in a few years
There's no reason to emotionalize this so much.
I'm not willing to bullshit myself in order to make myself feel better.
because its much easier to realize that very little is going to change in politics, and its easier to bullshit yourself that "out of the system" methods can be successful,
If people are hailing someone as a hero for liberty who in my opinion is essentially making close to 0 impact for liberty.
I'd rather have libertarians living their life in the way they enjoy than wasting it on shit that achieves nothing.
You should be saying, "You're wrong, this is making a difference, here's how...", not "if you don't have anything positive to say, shut up".
"well what are you doing?!" is not a healthy attitude
Wait a minute...
The t-shirt spammer isn't a total spammer? What's going on here?
Quotebecause its much easier to realize that very little is going to change in politics, and its easier to bullshit yourself that "out of the system" methods can be successful,
hasn't civil disobedience been effective in the past?
QuoteQuoteI'd rather have libertarians living their life in the way they enjoy than wasting it on shit that achieves nothing.
You dont know that. There's strength in numbers and plenty of stories throughout history of underdogs achieving there goals despite diversity.
Not much to say to this, its the same general opinion about activism being able to work, except theres nothing saying how it will work in this situation.QuoteYou should be saying, "You're wrong, this is making a difference, here's how...", not "if you don't have anything positive to say, shut up".
See I did make my points on the difference it made in me. It inspired me. Maybe it won't make a difference but the point is you can never know until you try.
I would rather not give up and just sit around being pessimistic. I want to accomplish something so I'm going to do it.
Even if all I get is a warm fuzzy feeling for just doing what I believe in.
Quote"well what are you doing?!" is not a healthy attitude
I just dont see how you can criticize someone for being anothers hero.
You wanted to criticize the free state project and say it'll do nothing then fine.
I asked what you were doing because I wanted to know. How's that unhealthy?
I dislike when someone criticizes a football player yet that "fan" cant and won't do half the shit the players do.
Charge: Lord Humungas talks S%@T while letting a humungas amount of Shmagma build up on his ass.
Verdict: Guilty as charged!
Punishment: IGNORED!!!
Brasky can go F%@K himself. I would have (maybe) a touch of respect for him if he actually had nads to say his BS to my face and not behind his IP address.
Wait a minute...
The t-shirt spammer isn't a total spammer? What's going on here?
I think he realized Brasky was serious about the banhammer, and is trying to fit in here while still linking to his shitty site everywhere he can in his profile.
Wait a minute...
The t-shirt spammer isn't a total spammer? What's going on here?
I think he realized Brasky was serious about the banhammer, and is trying to fit in here while still linking to his shitty site everywhere he can in his profile.
Brasky can go F%@K himself. I would have (maybe) a touch of respect for him if he actually had nads to say his BS to my face and not behind his IP address. And as far as posting about liberty, I have more "blogging about liberty" time than most of you have shower time. And as far as gay Brasky's banhammer, JUST BRING IT!!!! I have only two more days off with nothing much going on and then I am back on the road again for another 6 to 8 months before I will get another few days off. Some people actually work for a living. So tell Brasky I am still waiting for his pathetic ass to ban me. Most people I have found on this forum are cool. But the few TROLLS (you know who you are) are seriously a bunch of losers. And that is something I would say to your face. And the label "T-Shirt spammer" will be used for marketing in the trolls own words. So thanks!
Wait a minute...
The t-shirt spammer isn't a total spammer? What's going on here?
I think he realized Brasky was serious about the banhammer, and is trying to fit in here while still linking to his shitty site everywhere he can in his profile.
Brasky can go F%@K himself. I would have (maybe) a touch of respect for him if he actually had nads to say his BS to my face and not behind his IP address. And as far as posting about liberty, I have more "blogging about liberty" time than most of you have shower time. And as far as gay Brasky's banhammer, JUST BRING IT!!!! I have only two more days off with nothing much going on and then I am back on the road again for another 6 to 8 months before I will get another few days off. Some people actually work for a living. So tell Brasky I am still waiting for his pathetic ass to ban me. Most people I have found on this forum are cool. But the few TROLLS (you know who you are) are seriously a bunch of losers. And that is something I would say to your face. And the label "T-Shirt spammer" will be used for marketing in the trolls own words. So thanks!
wow people... if you want to promote liberty, do it your way and let others do it their way. Just do it and support others who do it. Praise them for not being statists. Praise them more for working against statists however they do it. But don't try to tear others down who happen to think about or act on liberty expansion in different ways.
wow people... if you want to promote liberty, do it your way and let others do it their way. Just do it and support others who do it. Praise them for not being statists. Praise them more for working against statists however they do it. But don't try to tear others down who happen to think about or act on liberty expansion in different ways.
what a shitty attitude. This is very similar to the kind of bullshit political parties go through, don't say anything to bring down the party, be supportive of other party members no matter what. :roll:
since when does being libertarian mean you have to be in a happy fun club with every other libertarian?
If there are disputes between any people, they should be vocalized.
Evading scrutiny of your ideas and methods is a very slippery path. Hiding behind "we're all on the same side so we shouldn't criticize each other" doesn't make it any better.
Take the same tact about another issue. Global warming. I think everyone here is against the idea of making the earth uninhabitable with humans, so disagreeing with people who think global warming is a serious issue isn't about "tearing each other down", its about a dispute over beliefs.
One person thinks one thing is true, one person thinks its not. Both of them can't be right, one or non of them could be right. How do they reach a consensus about who is right? Discussion.
Personalizing beliefs to such an extent where you see any questioning of the belief to be a personal attack is a very dangerous thing.
I've said before, I think Sam is well intentioned, I agree with his goals, but not his methods. It would be stupid and completely unhelpful of me not to say so in the name of libertarian unity.
What the fuck does patting each other on the back and shutting down scrutiny do but inflate egos?
ad hominem attacks are about ego -- they don't help promote anything. Discussing and criticizing the tactics on their merits might. I'm not saying people shouldn't object to Sam's being given hero status -- that isn't what I was talking about.
Seasteading doesn't seem like a financially viable option for your average salaried individual.
I would rather be living around ppl I can at least share ideals with and not be shunned without anyone giving me a chance to explain my stand point. I'm tired of being surrounded by ignorance. That said I think the change is going to come slow.
I'm willing to chip away as much as I can. If I tried to instill those ideals in my children I want those ideals to be supported by the community and strengthened. Not shunned.
I want currency to inflate to death and get competing currencies or trade going in the community. Among other things.
Any small progress that can be made I think its important to protect as many liberties as possible.
I'm only 19 though and plenty of future ahead of me. I have plenty of life experience to gain and if anything this might just be a good learning experience.
but then again we'll see.
Ok I think you make good points. I dont want to move across the seas though looking for freedom.
Not to mention seasteading doesnt seem like a financially viable option for your average salaried individual.
Honestly that leaves me with very few to no options. I would rather be living around ppl I can at least share ideals with and not be shunned
without anyone giving me a chance to explain my stand point. I'm tired of being surrounded by ignorance. That said I think the change is going to come slow.
I'm willing to chip away as much as I can. Sam shows me there are people who are serious and believe in what they're doing and that really inspires me.
If I tried to instill those ideals in my children I want those ideals to be supported by the community and strengthened. Not shunned.
I want currency to inflate to death and get competing currencies or trade going in the community. Among other things.
Any small progress that can be made I think its important to protect as many liberties as possible.
I usually always keep a good perspective on each situation but I did get kinda emotional. You make sense and some things I may not agree with or feel to strongly about.
I'm only 21 though and plenty of future ahead of me. I have plenty of life experience to gain and if anything this might just be a good learning experience.
but then again we'll see.
You can talk about having a "libertarian community", but we're talking about less than 500 active peopleWe are talking about 500 heroes.
You can talk about having a "libertarian community", but we're talking about less than 500 active peopleWe are talking about 500 heroes.
You can talk about having a "libertarian community", but we're talking about less than 500 active peopleWe are talking about 500 heroes.
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I dont expect changes anytime soon I never said that. But I do expect change eventually. I dont see how things can just keep getting worse without people waking up. When things start to get more ludicrous and outrageous do you still think a large group of us spreading the ideas of liberty that people wont start to give it a second glance? Do you honestly think the group wont continue to grow over the years and start to have more and more impact? Are you that pessimistic to the whole situation that you can't see one single bit of good?
I guess I was hoping on a massive government breakdown or that things just get bad enough were people start to take a step back and look around. If things got bad enough I figured they'd start favoring liberty over government but maybe not. I don't believe that people vote on a rational basis and I agree that they most likely just vote who there parents voted. But when you start to lose so many freedoms I just really believe that everyone has a point where they will realize how ineffective there voting is. When there family members go to jail for something ridiculous or are unjustly injured/killed by a cop that maybe something isn't working here. You keep talking about seasteading but whose going to be able to afford that? You say thats its the most likely option for radical change but is likely to fail then what do you do besides what you can?
When there family members go to jail for something ridiculous or are unjustly injured/killed by a cop that maybe something isn't working here.
switzerland sounds pretty nice comparatively. Guess all I gotta do is learn some other language now.
switzerland sounds pretty nice comparatively. Guess all I gotta do is learn some other language now.
Its cold.
Its very possible I may end up there, and I hate the fuckin' cold.
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Its cold.
Its very possible I may end up there, and I hate the fuckin' cold.
dude.
with all the jingle you be savin' by switchin' to swissco, you can afford to ''winter'' in sicily....or greece...the amalfi coast, offa italy, is-a nice
ad hominem attacks are about ego -- they don't help promote anything. Discussing and criticizing the tactics on their merits might. I'm not saying people shouldn't object to Sam's being given hero status -- that isn't what I was talking about.
I can point to several fat ass posts I've made discussing exactly that.
I don't approve of the hero label, precisely because he isn't achieving anything, I haven't engaged in any name calling. I have said multiple times that I agree with Sam's goals, just not his methods, and I have challenged lots of people here to show how it is working without relying on vague generalities like "it might inspire someone" or "its spreading the word".
ad hominem attacks are about ego -- they don't help promote anything. Discussing and criticizing the tactics on their merits might. I'm not saying people shouldn't object to Sam's being given hero status -- that isn't what I was talking about.
I can point to several fat ass posts I've made discussing exactly that.
I don't approve of the hero label, precisely because he isn't achieving anything, I haven't engaged in any name calling. I have said multiple times that I agree with Sam's goals, just not his methods, and I have challenged lots of people here to show how it is working without relying on vague generalities like "it might inspire someone" or "its spreading the word".
I'm not going to go back and check all the posts so I'm not sure you were the target of my comment. However, I would point out, you don't know that Sam isn't achieving anything. Many things like shifts in people's attitudes cannot be measured by you. You can speculate, but absent some concrete evidence, that is all you're doing.
ad hominem attacks are about ego -- they don't help promote anything. Discussing and criticizing the tactics on their merits might. I'm not saying people shouldn't object to Sam's being given hero status -- that isn't what I was talking about.
I can point to several fat ass posts I've made discussing exactly that.
I don't approve of the hero label, precisely because he isn't achieving anything, I haven't engaged in any name calling. I have said multiple times that I agree with Sam's goals, just not his methods, and I have challenged lots of people here to show how it is working without relying on vague generalities like "it might inspire someone" or "its spreading the word".
I'm not going to go back and check all the posts so I'm not sure you were the target of my comment. However, I would point out, you don't know that Sam isn't achieving anything. Many things like shifts in people's attitudes cannot be measured by you. You can speculate, but absent some concrete evidence, that is all you're doing.
It mind change some peoples perspectives but he's saying it's pointless because it won't accomplish much. The FSP wont work and that everything over there is a waste of time.
ad hominem attacks are about ego -- they don't help promote anything. Discussing and criticizing the tactics on their merits might. I'm not saying people shouldn't object to Sam's being given hero status -- that isn't what I was talking about.
I can point to several fat ass posts I've made discussing exactly that.
I don't approve of the hero label, precisely because he isn't achieving anything, I haven't engaged in any name calling. I have said multiple times that I agree with Sam's goals, just not his methods, and I have challenged lots of people here to show how it is working without relying on vague generalities like "it might inspire someone" or "its spreading the word".
I'm not going to go back and check all the posts so I'm not sure you were the target of my comment. However, I would point out, you don't know that Sam isn't achieving anything. Many things like shifts in people's attitudes cannot be measured by you. You can speculate, but absent some concrete evidence, that is all you're doing.
It mind change some peoples perspectives but he's saying it's pointless because it won't accomplish much. The FSP wont work and that everything over there is a waste of time.
And the reason he is so sure of this? I haven't seen any logical proof, just opinions. That's okay... just be clear when you have an opinion about what will or will not work, you might be wrong.
Far as I can see Sam hasn't done dick to make anyone freer
Far as I can see Sam hasn't done dick to make anyone freer
And if he has accomplished half of the convincing needed to get person x to join the FSP,
and if that person x is a fantastic leader who lives out of state, has never called in, never posted in the BBS,
and the future result of converting this fantastic leader is an incredible increase in the FSP's success,
how would one show this?
I maintain, you don't know Sam hasn't done dick... as you point out, you haven't seen it...
You don't see the benefit, Sam does. Sam does his thing, you do yours, and some people will call Sam a hero and some people will snipe at him for trying.
To me, what he's doing is heroic, so, he's a hero. If you don't think he's a hero, fine. But the only objective question is whether Sam is heroic to someone, and clearly, the answer is "YES." Therefore, Sam is a hero, because at least one person finds his efforts heroic, even if you do not. Naysayers, STFU, GTFO.
Especially fatcat, who does almost nothing but shit on people who stand up for themselves or even say they'd stand up for themselves if aggressed against, because apparently, actually doing something is inferior to bitching online.
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Hero
# In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
# A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
If you have any examples of heroic acts sam has done I'd be happy to hear them.
Thats not how proof works.
I don't have to prove its not working, you have to prove that it is.
You know, if people only put this much effort into starting a free town...
You know, if people only put this much effort into starting a free town...The Free Keene crew thinks they will be able to "free Keene".
You know, if people only put this much effort into starting a free town...The Free Keene crew thinks they will be able to "free Keene".
To me, what he's doing is heroic, so, he's a hero. If you don't think he's a hero, fine. But the only objective question is whether Sam is heroic to someone, and clearly, the answer is "YES." Therefore, Sam is a hero, because at least one person finds his efforts heroic, even if you do not. Naysayers, STFU, GTFO.
Especially fatcat, who does almost nothing but shit on people who stand up for themselves or even say they'd stand up for themselves if aggressed against, because apparently, actually doing something is inferior to bitching online.
So by this rationale, Hitler was a hero. George W. Bush was hero. Obama is a hero. Some homeless guy pissing his pants is a hero.
Doing something isn't inferior, but there will be criticism no matter which "something" a person undertakes. Now Sam is getting in the regular media, that's fantastic. I just think it's terribly sad he's starving himself for something that in the long run will most likely be completely forgotten.
My hero is the person that doesn't spend time rotting in a jail cell for something that won't change a damn thing.
My hero is the person that doesn't spend time rotting in a jail cell for something that won't change a damn thing.
and my hero is someone who gives me courage and strength. Someone who sticks up for what they beleive in regardless of what others say. Heroes are different for everyone.
My hero is the person that doesn't spend time rotting in a jail cell for something that won't change a damn thing.
and my hero is someone who gives me courage and strength. Someone who sticks up for what they beleive in regardless of what others say. Heroes are different for everyone.
Well at least your heroes will all be in place, usually with visiting hours.
I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.
The state is paying for Sam's room and board. Sam is on welfare.I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.
maybe ur a hero to urself or to the bird. u aint no fuckin hero to me. just an asshole. When you can not eat for 4 weeks and stay in a shitty room with bars for four weeks or more then I might change my opinion.
The state is paying for Sam's room and board. Sam is on welfare.I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.
maybe ur a hero to urself or to the bird. u aint no fuckin hero to me. just an asshole. When you can not eat for 4 weeks and stay in a shitty room with bars for four weeks or more then I might change my opinion.
The state is paying for Sam's room and board. Sam is on welfare.I am a hero because today I rescued a baby bird that had fallen down the sewer.
maybe ur a hero to urself or to the bird. u aint no fuckin hero to me. just an asshole. When you can not eat for 4 weeks and stay in a shitty room with bars for four weeks or more then I might change my opinion.
wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.
doesnt everyone pay for prisoners out of there paycheck?Most stuff in NH is payed for with property taxes.
wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.
He wanted to play legal gotcha games with the court but then it turned around and bit him in the ass.
wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.
Sam is still in jail because Sam is a fucking moron. He wants to be in jail.
He wanted to play legal gotcha games with the court but then it turned around and bit him in the ass.
wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.
Sam is still in jail because Sam is a fucking moron. He wants to be in jail.
He wanted to play legal gotcha games with the court but then it turned around and bit him in the ass.
gotcha games? is this a game to you? cuz I think he's takin it seriously. He's stickin to his principles.
wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.
Sam is still in jail because Sam is a fucking moron. He wants to be in jail.
He wanted to play legal gotcha games with the court but then it turned around and bit him in the ass.
gotcha games? is this a game to you? cuz I think he's takin it seriously. He's stickin to his principles.
I couldn't give a shit about someone with 'principles'. People with 'principles' are usually a bunch of fanatics.
wooooow.... jail is not fuckin welfare. plus he's not accepting it by choice. They are forcing him to stay there for something ludicruous.
Sam is still in jail because Sam is a fucking moron. He wants to be in jail.
He wanted to play legal gotcha games with the court but then it turned around and bit him in the ass.
gotcha games? is this a game to you? cuz I think he's takin it seriously. He's stickin to his principles.
I couldn't give a shit about someone with 'principles'. People with 'principles' are usually a bunch of fanatics.
Far as I can see Sam hasn't done dick to make anyone freer
And if he has accomplished half of the convincing needed to get person x to join the FSP,
and if that person x is a fantastic leader who lives out of state, has never called in, never posted in the BBS,
and the future result of converting this fantastic leader is an incredible increase in the FSP's success,
how would one show this?
I maintain, you don't know Sam hasn't done dick... as you point out, you haven't seen it...
You don't see the benefit, Sam does. Sam does his thing, you do yours, and some people will call Sam a hero and some people will snipe at him for trying.
So as long as there are might haves and could bes to be discussed, he's a hero?
Far as I can see Sam hasn't done dick to make anyone freer
And if he has accomplished half of the convincing needed to get person x to join the FSP,
and if that person x is a fantastic leader who lives out of state, has never called in, never posted in the BBS,
and the future result of converting this fantastic leader is an incredible increase in the FSP's success,
how would one show this?
I maintain, you don't know Sam hasn't done dick... as you point out, you haven't seen it...
You don't see the benefit, Sam does. Sam does his thing, you do yours, and some people will call Sam a hero and some people will snipe at him for trying.
So as long as there are might haves and could bes to be discussed, he's a hero?
Guess it depends on your definition of a hero. I think someone who stands on principles, suffers because of it, and tries to make the world a better place at least deserves consideration that he might be. But then that's just me. I certainly wouldn't go around criticizing those who think he is. That might best be left for someone trying to demoralize the troops so to speak.
Far as I can see Sam hasn't done dick to make anyone freer
And if he has accomplished half of the convincing needed to get person x to join the FSP,
and if that person x is a fantastic leader who lives out of state, has never called in, never posted in the BBS,
and the future result of converting this fantastic leader is an incredible increase in the FSP's success,
how would one show this?
I maintain, you don't know Sam hasn't done dick... as you point out, you haven't seen it...
You don't see the benefit, Sam does. Sam does his thing, you do yours, and some people will call Sam a hero and some people will snipe at him for trying.
So as long as there are might haves and could bes to be discussed, he's a hero?
Guess it depends on your definition of a hero. I think someone who stands on principles, suffers because of it, and tries to make the world a better place at least deserves consideration that he might be. But then that's just me. I certainly wouldn't go around criticizing those who think he is. That might best be left for someone trying to demoralize the troops so to speak.
As a matter of fact, usually when I see the term fatcat, people are talking about either a corporate fatcat or a government fatcat. Which agency are you with?
I think we can reserve judgement of hero status until we see the final outcome. You can't call someone a good baker until the cake is ready.
And please stop busting out the "He's bringing attention" chestnut unless you have a good reason why all the police murders, politician scandals that make national news shouldn't be making 10 times the difference one libertarian (whats that? like a liberal?) starving himself over a stupid court rule.
Now I suppose if you do stuff like this long enough and protest enough things you might get a few people to think differently eventually. It's a long hard road and it will take a long time...just like politics.But most people will just think you are nutjobs, like the 9/11 truthers.
Now I suppose if you do stuff like this long enough and protest enough things you might get a few people to think differently eventually. It's a long hard road and it will take a long time...just like politics.But most people will just think you are nutjobs, like the 9/11 truthers.
i dont get what the big deal is with flouride in ur water... I hate most conspiracy theorists
So, you reject people with principles as a matter of principle?
Until anyone shows me even a correlative link that Sam has increased any sort of freedoms, I'll rest my case.
I think the change is gonna be extreamely slow though.
The problem is that NH isn't moving towards more liberty yet. NH is still moving in the less liberty direction, the same as everywhere else.
fatcat, what you said was he wasn't a hero. Am I wrong? I don't think so.
That isn't contingent on a particular advance of "more freedom"
More people working for freedom is an advance. It might end up fruitless, but if you are of the mind that one must do what they can to advance liberty or wonder what might have been, then Sam is doing what he needs to do. In the process, he is inspiring others which is obvious from his recruitment success.
Looking more like a hero all the time despite your debbie downer posts.
fatcat, what you said was he wasn't a hero. Am I wrong? I don't think so.
That isn't contingent on a particular advance of "more freedom"
More people working for freedom is an advance. It might end up fruitless, but if you are of the mind that one must do what they can to advance liberty or wonder what might have been, then Sam is doing what he needs to do. In the process, he is inspiring others which is obvious from his recruitment success.
Looking more like a hero all the time despite your debbie downer posts.
If you read what I typed way back when, I clearly said that I don't class someone as a hero just for engaging in personal sacrifice.
There are guys who cut their own balls off, are they heroes because of what they're doing? What if they cut their balls off for freedom? Are they heroes then?
No.
Obviously it matters whether you achieve what it is you're trying to do, not just how much you sacrifice to do it.
He's certainly brave and dedicated in being willing to go to prison for his beliefs, but I think he's also misguided, and probably irrational if he's chosen to waste his time in such an unproductive manner when there is little evidence to suggest it will make a tangible difference, and much evidence to suggest that it will achieve nothing but wasted effort.
If a guy who jumps off a building thinking he can fly, I think it actually matters whether they achieve what they attempt. On one hand you have an extremely impressive act, on on the other hand you have a sorely misguided waste of life.
What Sam's doing might be admirable for his dedication, but not for what he's actually achieving.
I do not believe recruiting more people to waste their time for an unachievable goal is worthy of hero worship.
No, cutting his balls off would be pointless.
I think someone who attempts to save the girl from the bully at his own peril and gets both of them beat up instead is still a hero. You don't.
I think someone who attempts to save the girl from the bully at his own peril and gets both of them beat up instead is still a hero. You don't. I think we can leave it there.
I think someone who attempts to save the girl from the bully at his own peril and gets both of them beat up instead is still a hero. You don't. I think we can leave it there.
bad analogy POLICE have been alerted:
the bully can & will get beaten and/or stopped.
noble cause EVERYONE will get behind.
some jackass protesting his right to film a courtroom lobby?
BIG FUCKING YAWN
i couldn't give a shit less (as most sane people) the ''right'' for a person to videotape a court lobby.
COURTROOM?
dif. story.
I think someone who attempts to save the girl from the bully at his own peril and gets both of them beat up instead is still a hero. You don't. I think we can leave it there.
bad analogy POLICE have been alerted:
the bully can & will get beaten and/or stopped.
noble cause EVERYONE will get behind.
some jackass protesting his right to film a courtroom lobby?
BIG FUCKING YAWN
i couldn't give a shit less (as most sane people) the ''right'' for a person to videotape a court lobby.
COURTROOM?
dif. story.
hey look.
the ass-pirate wrassler is back
With a new Logo!
With a new Logo!
....that looks like four fucking snails....
way to go
With a new Logo!
....that looks like four fucking snails....
way to go
Sam is in jail. That's not "standing up," that's being in jail.Who the hell put you on the FTL creative team? I'd like to know. Ian, what's up?
I fail to see anything constructive coming of this.
Sam Interviewed On Freedom Watch!
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Sam Interviewed On Freedom Watch!
[youtube=425,350]v/rVCrDFTqfmE[/youtube]
Video has been removed
It was an ink blot test... your response was very informative.
It was an ink blot test... your response was very informative.
at least I wasn't the one that picked out ''cocks'', on the last avatar
(i wasn't going to give him 'swans')
notice cockgrabber redid his last ''artform'', after criticism here.
Why are you such a dick? Where you molested as a boy? Is that why you have become a cock connoisseur and a fudge packing ass pirate? I am just wondering what it is that has transformed you into a world hating dick?
Freetarian's new logo/avatar is looking good, so just admit it, Lord Gaymungus. I'm glad to see he is back. His youtube channel implies that he knew "The Missing Link" who was one of my fav wrestlers, back in my younger years:
(http://www.anniemayhem.com/blog%20pics/MissingLink.jpg)
R3 isn't gay. He is the Lord of Kink.What a gay post :P
R3 isn't gay. He is the Lord of Kink.What a gay post :P
R3 isn't gay. He is the Lord of Kink.What a gay post :P
What a gay reply :P
R3 isn't gay. He is the Lord of Kink.What a gay post :P
What a gay reply :P
ditto
R3 isn't gay. He is the Lord of Kink.What a gay post :P
What a gay reply :P
ditto
ditto is so gay
R3 isn't gay. He is the Lord of Kink.What a gay post :P
What a gay reply :P
ditto
ditto is so gay
ditto
R3 isn't gay. He is the Lord of Kink.What a gay post :P
What a gay reply :P
ditto
ditto is so gay
ditto
what is your favorite color?
R3 isn't gay. He is the Lord of Kink.What a gay post :P
What a gay reply :P
ditto
ditto is so gay
ditto
what is your favorite color?
red
If you went camping with a friend and woke up the next morning with a rubber hanging out of your ass, would you tell anyone?
If you went camping with a friend and woke up the next morning with a rubber hanging out of your ass, would you tell anyone?
That would depend on if I knew if I was inebriated or thought it was rape.
Now, while I might entertain the thought of something like that happening as a...good thing personally...
Nope... my gun would do the talking.
Why are you such a dick? Where you molested as a boy? Is that why you have become a cock connoisseur and a fudge packing ass pirate? I am just wondering what it is that has transformed you into a world hating dick?
that would be, ''W-E-R-E''...
fucking steroid-addled douchebag.
many others here revile you as much as i....so it isn't ''i'', that has an exclusive problem with you.
I didn't expose your last avatar as having cock symbols, you overblown cum-guzzler.....several others here, however, DID point that out..
Humungay, what is your problem? Why are you so rude and vile? Why are you mad at the world? You do not even know me yet you act like you do. Just how big is that pickle up your ass? Or is it a 100+ year old cactus stock?
is that the fucking guy from Right to Censor? Asshat.
is that the fucking guy from Right to Censor? Asshat.
Humungay, what is your problem? Why are you so rude and vile? Why are you mad at the world? You do not even know me yet you act like you do. Just how big is that pickle up your ass? Or is it a 100+ year old cactus stock?
He's a troll.
If the head of your leagal team has felony warrants in another state, they probably aren't that good with legal stuff.
Yeah but John is more than just a troll.
If the head of your leagal team has felony warrants in another state, they probably aren't that good with legal stuff.I don't know anything about the warrants you're talking about, but I do know how to spell leagal [sic.]
Yeah, I noticed the spelling mistake after I posted it, but didn't fix it, cus I don't care about petty shit like that. I guess you do. To each his own.If the head of your leagal team has felony warrants in another state, they probably aren't that good with legal stuff.I don't know anything about the warrants you're talking about, but I do know how to spell leagal [sic.]
Your statement is also fallacious. It's like you said, "That guy doesn't know how to build cars. Have you seen how many he's wrecked?"No, more like "That guy probably doesn't know how to drive cars very well. Have you seen how many he's wrecked?"
Yeah, I noticed the spelling mistake after I posted it, but didn't fix it, cus I don't care about petty shit like that. I guess you do. To each his own.If the head of your leagal team has felony warrants in another state, they probably aren't that good with legal stuff.I don't know anything about the warrants you're talking about, but I do know how to spell leagal [sic.]
Sum peeple can speel reel well, othars cannut. If you are a supar spellar you shuold impress us by always spelling your words correctli, not by correcting those who don't care.
Sum peeple can speel reel well, othars cannut. If you are a supar spellar you shuold impress us by always spelling your words correctli, not by correcting those who don't care.
Theres a difference between a typo and being a retard.
Sum peeple can speel reel well, othars cannut. If you are a supar spellar you shuold impress us by always spelling your words correctli, not by correcting those who don't care.
Theres a difference between a typo and being a retard.
Yea so what? i was just makin a fukin point. I type how I type and you type how you type. You wanna call someone on being a retard then do so but whats the point in pointing out something pointless?
Sum peeple can speel reel well, othars cannut. If you are a supar spellar you shuold impress us by always spelling your words correctli, not by correcting those who don't care.
Theres a difference between a typo and being a retard.
Yea so what? i was just makin a fukin point. I type how I type and you type how you type. You wanna call someone on being a retard then do so but whats the point in pointing out something pointless?
And I'm making a point, too. Black was nazi'd for making a typo.
Some people don't make typos, they actually can't properly communicate. Calling ignorance a typo is incorrect.
Humungay, what is your problem? Why are you so rude and vile? Why are you mad at the world? You do not even know me yet you act like you do. Just how big is that pickle up your ass? Or is it a 100+ year old cactus stock?
He's a troll.
Yeah but John is more than just a troll.
you say.
nothing bankable, anyway
''super-troll''???
looks good on the resume.
Sum peeple can speel reel well, othars cannut. If you are a supar spellar you shuold impress us by always spelling your words correctli, not by correcting those who don't care.
Theres a difference between a typo and being a retard.
Yea so what? i was just makin a fukin point. I type how I type and you type how you type. You wanna call someone on being a retard then do so but whats the point in pointing out something pointless?
And I'm making a point, too. Black was nazi'd for making a typo.
Some people don't make typos, they actually can't properly communicate. Calling ignorance a typo is incorrect.
leagal is spelled legal.... it's a typo... I havent read this whole part just that one little piece. so I dont understand if ur saying his ignorance is involved spelling the word right or something else. Either way if what he says make sense then wtf is the point? Or is there more to this that I'm ignorant of?
Well actually I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and an IQ that puts me in the top .2% of the population.
your negative thoughts manifest into a physical dis-ease in your body.
Well actually I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and an IQ that puts me in the top .2% of the population.
QuoteWell actually I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and an IQ that puts me in the top .2% of the population.More proof that IQ is a poor measure of general competence.
I understand where your coming from here.
Anyone have an update from Sam's trial today?
No one seems to be posting an update on FreeKeene.com, and I haven't listened to FTL.
I listened to part of FTL, but didn't get any real details. It sounds like the trial is over, but there has not been a verdict yet.That is so.
but you can email me anytime you want
In Soviet Russia, e-mail sends YOU.
but you can email me anytime you want
In Soviet Russia, e-mail sends YOU.
do you think Seth Macfarlane ever feels like slapping a bitch whenever someone speaking to him tries to make a funny by referencing, "In Soviet Russia..."
Coconut said he is working on getting part 2 out later this week.
Coconut said he is working on getting part 2 out later this week.
Right.
I have actual paid work to do first. And rendering/uploading a 2 hour trial is processor intensive, so I can't commit that time until probably Tuesday evening.
Coconut said he is working on getting part 2 out later this week.
Right.
I have actual paid work to do first. And rendering/uploading a 2 hour trial is processor intensive, so I can't commit that time until probably Tuesday evening.
slacker.
do it now
I can't tell one way or the other how this will go.
Does anyone have copies of the paperwork/motions that have been filed by Sam
What is the other charge?
Why hasn't anyone bothered to get copies?I can't tell one way or the other how this will go.
Does anyone have copies of the paperwork/motions that have been filed by Sam
They haven't made any of that public, and nobody has bothered to go get copies. Did you hear about the prosecutor coming up to Sam and his lawyer after the trial and saying something like "I think you guys won this one."
Why hasn't anyone bothered to get copies?
Bullshit. Wasn't it you that said Keene activists need to learn how to use the court system to fight charges when the whole Sam/Ivy thing was going on? You may be able to use some of the documents as templates for future filings. Or do you like re-inventing the wheel every time you need one?Why hasn't anyone bothered to get copies?Because the activists here don't give an F about studying court documents.
That and the $.50/page copy fee.Sam has copies of that stuff. He wouldn't let you copy them from him if you asked?
Bullshit. Wasn't it you that said Keene activists need to learn how to use the court system to fight charges when the whole Sam/Ivy thing was going on? You may be able to use some of the documents as templates for future filings. Or do you like re-inventing the wheel every time you need one?Why hasn't anyone bothered to get copies?Because the activists here don't give an F about studying court documents.
Sam has copies of that stuff. He wouldn't let you copy them from him if you asked?