because its much easier to realize that very little is going to change in politics, and its easier to bullshit yourself that "out of the system" methods can be successful,
hasn't civil disobedience been effective in the past?
I touched on this in a previous post.
"Comparisons to other movements such as civil rights or indian independence are laughable. Both the number of supporters and activists where astronomical in both cases compared to any cohesive libertarian movement."
For whatever reason, Libertarians make up a tiny percentage of nearly every population, and they aren't a particularly cohesive group. There's very little comparisons to the civil rights or indian independence movement.
Those cases are very much the exceptions when it comes to civil disobedience. There are people refusing tax in every country where there are taxes, all of them go to jail, non of them succeed. IF you can get enough people to do it, then it would work, but thats a massive IF, and just engaging civ-dis and hoping for a snowball effect is unlikely to work.
I'd rather have libertarians living their life in the way they enjoy than wasting it on shit that achieves nothing.
You dont know that. There's strength in numbers and plenty of stories throughout history of underdogs achieving there goals despite diversity.
Not much to say to this, its the same general opinion about activism being able to work, except theres nothing saying how it will work in this situation.
You should be saying, "You're wrong, this is making a difference, here's how...", not "if you don't have anything positive to say, shut up".
See I did make my points on the difference it made in me. It inspired me. Maybe it won't make a difference but the point is you can never know until you try.
I would rather not give up and just sit around being pessimistic. I want to accomplish something so I'm going to do it.
Even if all I get is a warm fuzzy feeling for just doing what I believe in.
Again, who's saying give up? I'm saying don't waste your time on shit thats not going to make any noticeable difference.
Go to New Hampshire by all means, if its where you want to live, and being around other liberty activists matters to you, but if you were going in hopes of any significant improvement in liberty then I would strongly argue against the probability of that happening.
"well what are you doing?!" is not a healthy attitude
I just dont see how you can criticize someone for being anothers hero.
You wanted to criticize the free state project and say it'll do nothing then fine.
I asked what you were doing because I wanted to know. How's that unhealthy?
I dislike when someone criticizes a football player yet that "fan" cant and won't do half the shit the players do.
So you shouldn't criticize the maker of a faulty car because you don't know how to fix it?
I called it an unhealthy attitude because I've seen it very often with the NH liberty crowd. They're much more prone to jump to a defensive position and just caring about keeping hold of the idea that NH is their best shot, instead of actually proving to themselves and other people that it actually is.
What the fuck matter does it make if I have a better idea or not? If your premise is valid, you should be able to prove it regardless of what i think is better or not. I'm just talking about whether what you think works, actually works or not.
Now you've been alot more reasonable than alot of other NH libers, but I still think you're falling prone to alot of the emotionally based positions and wishful thinking.
Theres nothing in all you've written that has really gone towards.
For the record, I have actually donated money to both the FSP and FTL, but through debates, I realized that the realistic expectations of the project and NH liberty in general was not as advertised.
If people cut out all the hyperbole and martyrdom, and advertised it as "among the freest states in the US, but probably won't see any meaningful increase in freedoms in the next 20 years", and not "best shot/only hope for liberty" then I'd be alot less pissy with people, especially Civ-Dissers who show an alarming dissociation from the reality of the situation, acting like sub 100 people getting thrown in jail and standing with placards is gonna bring down the most powerful organization on earth.
Again, I'll bring up the cop abuse example. If civ dis is meant to bring other people to liberty and engage some sort of snowball effect, what the fuck is the weekly cases of police murdering people, the cases of vast government mismanagement doing?
If people think its okay for police to murder someone and get away with it, then they're certainly not going to get up in arms about some "tax cheats" or "anarchists" when ideas of "fair share" and "duty" are so prevalent.
Of course, non of that has a good a ring to it as "Liberty in our Lifetime".