I just saw something interesting.
I've heard people state that politics is slow moving and nothing gets accomplished, you're wasting your time blah blah blah.
Yet, from what I have seem from the CivDis crowd is....CivDis that is slow to change anything (if it changes anything at all) little to nothing is accomplished (save the handful of people who have beaten speeding tickets...HUGE increase in freedom IMO) and it's worse than wasting time, it also starving yourself and rotting away in a jail cell.
So there are two different schools of thought...market based activism and politics. They have both accomplished just as much (actually politics may have accomplished a bit more), but one involves people sitting in jail starving themselves and the other doesn't.
Yet it's the politics people that get shit on over and over again by the "market based voluntaryist activists".