Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid

[lucidhawk]

Afraid of REAL change.

However, I think Ron stands a much higher chance this time of winning the Republican nomination.

Aren't people generally wising up a little after the past 10 years?

I mean look at his closest competition.
Mitt Romney??!!
What an Asshat!

Obama in a standoff versus Ron Paul means A lot of people opened to the ideas of liberty.

Thoughts?

[Turd Ferguson]

I just want my Little Debbies fudge rounds to be big again.



Ron Paul?

Well, we'll just have to wait and see. Lots can happen between now and then.

[Diogenes The Cynic]

This is why when you compare direct democracy to a republic, the republic is more stable, and the democracy is utter shit. Its because you can't trust the uneducated majority of people to make decisions. Look at the electorate quality we had before women could vote.

Was it better before?

Without a doubt!

Letting blacks vote too stripped the elitism from voting, and lowered the value of any one vote. Now our entire electorate is filled with a bunch of mouth-breathing tards elected by other mouth breathing tards and the rest of us can't do anything about it because we live in a democracy, and not a republic.

As much as I would love to see Ron Paul as president, I wont because there is no way in hell he will win. The majority of our country likes things the way they are. They are only upset when the big government they get is not the big government they wanted. Political forces are entrenched. He would first have to stand up against Republicans who want more big government and higher taxes. He'd lose in the first round. Remember when he went up against Guiliani and fought rhetoric with logic?

The audience loved the shit out of the rhetoric.

[Branlin]

This is why when you compare direct democracy to a republic, the republic is more stable, and the democracy is utter shit. Its because you can't trust the uneducated majority of people to make decisions. Look at the electorate quality we had before women could vote.

Was it better before?

Without a doubt!

Letting blacks vote too stripped the elitism from voting, and lowered the value of any one vote. Now our entire electorate is filled with a bunch of mouth-breathing tards elected by other mouth breathing tards and the rest of us can't do anything about it because we live in a democracy, and not a republic.

As much as I would love to see Ron Paul as president, I wont because there is no way in hell he will win. The majority of our country likes things the way they are. They are only upset when the big government they get is not the big government they wanted. Political forces are entrenched. He would first have to stand up against Republicans who want more big government and higher taxes. He'd lose in the first round. Remember when he went up against Guiliani and fought rhetoric with logic?

The audience loved the shit out of the rhetoric.

I agree with you about Ron not having a chance. Call me a pessimist or whatever, but I can't see it happening for the foreseeable future.

You mentioned the futility of Ron going against the entrenched GOP. Good luck. The leaders are every bit as bad as the entrenched Dems. John Boehner will compromise and roll over every time Obama sneezes.

IMO, the empire has a ways to go before things really get bad. At that point, it seems a Ron Paul figure OR a brutal, demagogic, populist dictator will rise to power.

I hope it happens after I'm gone, because history tells me which figure it will most likely be and I don't want to be around then.

[AbstractVagabond]

As much as I would love to see Ron Paul as president, I wont because there is no way in hell he will win. The majority of our country likes things the way they are. They are only upset when the big government they get is not the big government they wanted. Political forces are entrenched. He would first have to stand up against Republicans who want more big government and higher taxes. He'd lose in the first round. Remember when he went up against Guiliani and fought rhetoric with logic?

The audience loved the shit out of the rhetoric.

I'll third this. Ron Paul has no chance, but if he's to accomplish anything, it's to see who grabs the ball Ron leaves to take to the next steps. He was never the answer. Only the ignition.

For the majority, yes, none of them believe in freedom or liberty or change. All they believe in is dominion. They believe in oppression, in dictatorship. George W Bush said two very wise things if used in the right context. One was that it would be a lot easier if it was a dictatorship as long as he was the dictator. And the majority in this country loves dictatorships as long as they're the dictators. As long as they're the oppressors. "Don't tell me what to do, but I have the right to tell you what to do." The other is when he called the constitution a goddamn piece of paper. Ok, he was close. The constitution is a whore, actually. But in one way he was right since the majority don't believe in it. He shouldn't be, but what good would arguing that do in such an elitist society?

[John Shaw]

Just for some perspective - The vast majority of people don't even know who the hell Ron Paul is.

Vast majority.

I totally get that if you're still a sucker and believe you can change the system by being part of the system he'd probably be the best person to vote for, but it's a sucker's game.

If you participate you've lost. Ron Paul won't save you. Rand Paul won't save you. X won't save you. PROTIP- A politician won't save you.

Government is radioactive. It will give you cancer. Don't go near it.

*Sigh*

[SeanD]

If, by some microscopic chance, Dr Paul wins the Republican primary it virtually guarantees Obama getting re-elected.  He is too big a threat to all the Entitlement programs.  Any one either on an Entitlement program or with a close family member on an Entitlement program will vote against him.  That would include Public service unions, welfare, food stamps, medicare, medicaid, SS, section 8 housing, and who knows how many additional "services".  Yeah I know in theory Public unions and SS aren't Entitlements but you can bet the Dems will tell the sheeple they are just as threatened.

[Fred]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyLlVClG-hM[/youtube]

[Diogenes The Cynic]

If, by some microscopic chance, Dr Paul wins the Republican primary it virtually guarantees Obama getting re-elected.  He is too big a threat to all the Entitlement programs.  Any one either on an Entitlement program or with a close family member on an Entitlement program will vote against him.  That would include Public service unions, welfare, food stamps, medicare, medicaid, SS, section 8 housing, and who knows how many additional "services".  Yeah I know in theory Public unions and SS aren't Entitlements but you can bet the Dems will tell the sheeple they are just as threatened.

The Road to Serfdom. People will not settle for austerity now. Look at Greece.

[John Shaw]

Made this earlier today.

[Branlin]

I totally get that if you're still a sucker and believe you can change the system by being part of the system he'd probably be the best person to vote for, but it's a sucker's game.

If you participate you've lost. Ron Paul won't save you. Rand Paul won't save you. X won't save you. PROTIP- A politician won't save you.

I have not voted since 2000. I refuse to give the system legitimacy by participating.

Since then I have just been an avid observer and commentator of the folly of government, and feel much better for it. It was like taking a huge weight off my shoulders.

You are right of course, Ron Paul, nor anyone else can "save" the nation. None the less, I will take less government -- or even less growth -- if offered.

[Turd Ferguson]

Ron is a nice guy. I just like to watch him speak to the clueless masses at the debates. Thats my only motivation for supporting the guy, not in hopes he can pull off some amazing Superman act and reform/fix government.

I watched that debate last night and they asked him about his stance of legalizing weed, cocaine, heroin.......his reply........

"Ok, if they legalized heroin, how many people in this room would run out and start shooting up just because they legalized it?" then mockingly said "I dont wanna use heroin so I need these laws!!!"

Lots of applause and lots of laughs. It was fun to watch people in the audience nodding and looking at each other in suprise, as if they never really thought about it that way.

I for one am glad he's out there doing that.

[John Shaw]

Ron is a nice guy.

This is a second hand quote from a fairly reliable source - (Prolly early 90's or so)

*whispering voice in hallway after speech*

"Well, what we really need to do is get the blacks off of welfare." - Ron Paul

Technically it's first hand, but hearing it from me makes it second hand.

[SeanD]

Ron is a nice guy.

This is a second hand quote from a fairly reliable source - (Prolly early 90's or so)

*whispering voice in hallway after speech*

"Well, what we really need to do is get the blacks off of welfare." - Ron Paul

Technically it's first hand, but hearing it from me makes it second hand.

He's right.  We need to get the Whites, Browns, Yellows and Reds off welfare too.

[One two three]

Ron is a nice guy.

This is a second hand quote from a fairly reliable source - (Prolly early 90's or so)

*whispering voice in hallway after speech*

"Well, what we really need to do is get the blacks off of welfare." - Ron Paul

Technically it's first hand, but hearing it from me makes it second hand.

That's a great point