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Title: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: lucidhawk on May 05, 2011, 10:57:26 PM
Afraid of REAL change.

However, I think Ron stands a much higher chance this time of winning the Republican nomination.

Aren't people generally wising up a little after the past 10 years?

I mean look at his closest competition.
Mitt Romney??!!
What an Asshat!

Obama in a standoff versus Ron Paul means A lot of people opened to the ideas of liberty.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 05, 2011, 11:02:41 PM
I just want my Little Debbies fudge rounds to be big again.



Ron Paul?

Well, we'll just have to wait and see. Lots can happen between now and then.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on May 05, 2011, 11:47:09 PM
This is why when you compare direct democracy to a republic, the republic is more stable, and the democracy is utter shit. Its because you can't trust the uneducated majority of people to make decisions. Look at the electorate quality we had before women could vote.

Was it better before?

Without a doubt!

Letting blacks vote too stripped the elitism from voting, and lowered the value of any one vote. Now our entire electorate is filled with a bunch of mouth-breathing tards elected by other mouth breathing tards and the rest of us can't do anything about it because we live in a democracy, and not a republic.

As much as I would love to see Ron Paul as president, I wont because there is no way in hell he will win. The majority of our country likes things the way they are. They are only upset when the big government they get is not the big government they wanted. Political forces are entrenched. He would first have to stand up against Republicans who want more big government and higher taxes. He'd lose in the first round. Remember when he went up against Guiliani and fought rhetoric with logic?

The audience loved the shit out of the rhetoric.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Branlin on May 06, 2011, 12:27:14 AM
This is why when you compare direct democracy to a republic, the republic is more stable, and the democracy is utter shit. Its because you can't trust the uneducated majority of people to make decisions. Look at the electorate quality we had before women could vote.

Was it better before?

Without a doubt!

Letting blacks vote too stripped the elitism from voting, and lowered the value of any one vote. Now our entire electorate is filled with a bunch of mouth-breathing tards elected by other mouth breathing tards and the rest of us can't do anything about it because we live in a democracy, and not a republic.

As much as I would love to see Ron Paul as president, I wont because there is no way in hell he will win. The majority of our country likes things the way they are. They are only upset when the big government they get is not the big government they wanted. Political forces are entrenched. He would first have to stand up against Republicans who want more big government and higher taxes. He'd lose in the first round. Remember when he went up against Guiliani and fought rhetoric with logic?

The audience loved the shit out of the rhetoric.

I agree with you about Ron not having a chance. Call me a pessimist or whatever, but I can't see it happening for the foreseeable future.

You mentioned the futility of Ron going against the entrenched GOP. Good luck. The leaders are every bit as bad as the entrenched Dems. John Boehner will compromise and roll over every time Obama sneezes.

IMO, the empire has a ways to go before things really get bad. At that point, it seems a Ron Paul figure OR a brutal, demagogic, populist dictator will rise to power.

I hope it happens after I'm gone, because history tells me which figure it will most likely be and I don't want to be around then.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: AbstractVagabond on May 06, 2011, 05:00:17 AM
As much as I would love to see Ron Paul as president, I wont because there is no way in hell he will win. The majority of our country likes things the way they are. They are only upset when the big government they get is not the big government they wanted. Political forces are entrenched. He would first have to stand up against Republicans who want more big government and higher taxes. He'd lose in the first round. Remember when he went up against Guiliani and fought rhetoric with logic?

The audience loved the shit out of the rhetoric.

I'll third this. Ron Paul has no chance, but if he's to accomplish anything, it's to see who grabs the ball Ron leaves to take to the next steps. He was never the answer. Only the ignition.

For the majority, yes, none of them believe in freedom or liberty or change. All they believe in is dominion. They believe in oppression, in dictatorship. George W Bush said two very wise things if used in the right context. One was that it would be a lot easier if it was a dictatorship as long as he was the dictator. And the majority in this country loves dictatorships as long as they're the dictators. As long as they're the oppressors. "Don't tell me what to do, but I have the right to tell you what to do." The other is when he called the constitution a goddamn piece of paper. Ok, he was close. The constitution is a whore, actually. But in one way he was right since the majority don't believe in it. He shouldn't be, but what good would arguing that do in such an elitist society?
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 06, 2011, 11:52:59 AM
Just for some perspective - The vast majority of people don't even know who the hell Ron Paul is.

Vast majority.

I totally get that if you're still a sucker and believe you can change the system by being part of the system he'd probably be the best person to vote for, but it's a sucker's game.

If you participate you've lost. Ron Paul won't save you. Rand Paul won't save you. X won't save you. PROTIP- A politician won't save you.

Government is radioactive. It will give you cancer. Don't go near it.

*Sigh*
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: SeanD on May 06, 2011, 12:02:19 PM
If, by some microscopic chance, Dr Paul wins the Republican primary it virtually guarantees Obama getting re-elected.  He is too big a threat to all the Entitlement programs.  Any one either on an Entitlement program or with a close family member on an Entitlement program will vote against him.  That would include Public service unions, welfare, food stamps, medicare, medicaid, SS, section 8 housing, and who knows how many additional "services".  Yeah I know in theory Public unions and SS aren't Entitlements but you can bet the Dems will tell the sheeple they are just as threatened.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Fred on May 06, 2011, 12:18:34 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyLlVClG-hM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on May 06, 2011, 01:05:57 PM
If, by some microscopic chance, Dr Paul wins the Republican primary it virtually guarantees Obama getting re-elected.  He is too big a threat to all the Entitlement programs.  Any one either on an Entitlement program or with a close family member on an Entitlement program will vote against him.  That would include Public service unions, welfare, food stamps, medicare, medicaid, SS, section 8 housing, and who knows how many additional "services".  Yeah I know in theory Public unions and SS aren't Entitlements but you can bet the Dems will tell the sheeple they are just as threatened.

The Road to Serfdom. People will not settle for austerity now. Look at Greece.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 06, 2011, 09:33:16 PM
Made this earlier today.

(http://chattypics.com/download.php?file=RonPaulJesus_zn2a0gfuus2b90egcv2d.jpg)
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Branlin on May 06, 2011, 10:52:16 PM
I totally get that if you're still a sucker and believe you can change the system by being part of the system he'd probably be the best person to vote for, but it's a sucker's game.

If you participate you've lost. Ron Paul won't save you. Rand Paul won't save you. X won't save you. PROTIP- A politician won't save you.

I have not voted since 2000. I refuse to give the system legitimacy by participating.

Since then I have just been an avid observer and commentator of the folly of government, and feel much better for it. It was like taking a huge weight off my shoulders.

You are right of course, Ron Paul, nor anyone else can "save" the nation. None the less, I will take less government -- or even less growth -- if offered.

Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 06, 2011, 11:19:55 PM
Ron is a nice guy. I just like to watch him speak to the clueless masses at the debates. Thats my only motivation for supporting the guy, not in hopes he can pull off some amazing Superman act and reform/fix government.

I watched that debate last night and they asked him about his stance of legalizing weed, cocaine, heroin.......his reply........

"Ok, if they legalized heroin, how many people in this room would run out and start shooting up just because they legalized it?" then mockingly said "I dont wanna use heroin so I need these laws!!!"

Lots of applause and lots of laughs. It was fun to watch people in the audience nodding and looking at each other in suprise, as if they never really thought about it that way.

I for one am glad he's out there doing that.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 02:01:30 AM
Ron is a nice guy.

This is a second hand quote from a fairly reliable source - (Prolly early 90's or so)

*whispering voice in hallway after speech*

"Well, what we really need to do is get the blacks off of welfare." - Ron Paul

Technically it's first hand, but hearing it from me makes it second hand.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: SeanD on May 07, 2011, 04:03:25 AM
Ron is a nice guy.

This is a second hand quote from a fairly reliable source - (Prolly early 90's or so)

*whispering voice in hallway after speech*

"Well, what we really need to do is get the blacks off of welfare." - Ron Paul

Technically it's first hand, but hearing it from me makes it second hand.

He's right.  We need to get the Whites, Browns, Yellows and Reds off welfare too.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: One two three on May 07, 2011, 04:42:05 AM
Ron is a nice guy.

This is a second hand quote from a fairly reliable source - (Prolly early 90's or so)

*whispering voice in hallway after speech*

"Well, what we really need to do is get the blacks off of welfare." - Ron Paul

Technically it's first hand, but hearing it from me makes it second hand.

That's a great point  :D
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 08:17:36 AM
He's right.  We need to get the Whites, Browns, Yellows and Reds off welfare too.

And if he'd said "We need to get rid of the welfare state." He'd have been my fucking hero rather than a cranky racist old white man.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Branlin on May 07, 2011, 08:24:00 AM

And if he'd said "We need to get rid of the welfare state." He'd have been my fucking hero rather than a cranky racist old white man.

"Well, what we really need to do is get the blacks off of welfare." - Ron Paul

How is that statement racist?
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 07, 2011, 08:40:24 AM
Now if he said "We need to get the blacks off welfare so the whites can have more", I'd be in your camp. As it is, I dont see what he said as being a big deal. Hell, I think Bill Cosby said something similar. It also just happens to be true. The fact that he singled out blacks in his statement, well, maybe there is a little bias going on there.

Let me ask you something though John. If RP were the president, do you think he would sign bills, or favor legislation that only took welfare away from black people, or give incentives to people based on race, and pass it into law?

If the answer is no, I dont see what the big deal is.






Just admit it John. You want Ron Paul to be "your leader" and make life decisions for you. I know you do. You just dont want to get your hopes up and have them dashed when he loses, so you're putting up this huge Ron Paul Wall to protect yourself from his charismatic superpowers.  :P
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 09:09:58 AM
How is that statement racist?

Now if he said "We need to get the blacks off welfare so the whites can have more", I'd be in your camp. As it is, I dont see what he said as being a big deal.


*Sigh*

Seriously?

*Slowly backs away*
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 07, 2011, 09:26:23 AM
Now that you mention it, I did find it kinda odd that RP kept taking a bottle of hand sanitizer out of his pocket and pouring it on the left side of his face, closest to the black dude. :P


(http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2011/05/2011foxgopdebate/large.jpg)
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Branlin on May 07, 2011, 09:40:49 AM
How is that statement racist?

Now if he said "We need to get the blacks off welfare so the whites can have more", I'd be in your camp. As it is, I dont see what he said as being a big deal.


*Sigh*

Seriously?

*Slowly backs away*

Haha, I didn't think this forum would be a bastion of politically-correct speech, but apparently it is. You must be young enough to have been taught it via government schools, and/or you subconsciously absorbed by the politically-correct culture.

"Racism" is the belief that one race is inherently superior over another, so again, how could Paul's alleged statement be considered racist?

Is it racist to say you don't like Obama?

Is it racist to say you don't like Obama's beliefs and policies?

Is it racist to say you avoid urban areas because of the crime?

Is it racist to say you prefer white jelly beans over black jelly beans?

Where am I, in Rachael Maddow's forum? LOL.

"When words lose their meaning, people lose their liberty."  -- Confucius
(it was true 2,500 years ago, and it is true today)
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 09:49:07 AM
Haha, I didn't think this forum would be a bastion of politically-correct speech, but apparently it is. You must be young enough to have been taught it via government schools, and/or you subconsciously absorbed by the politically-correct culture.

Don't be a fucking moron, ya fuckin' moron.

"Racism" is the belief that one race is inherently superior over another, so again, how could Paul's alleged statement be considered racist?

Let's use a better term then, shall we? Fucking bigot. Ron Paul is a fucking ignorant bigot. How's that?

Is it racist to say you don't like Obama?

Don't be fucking stupid.

Is it racist to say you don't like Obama's beliefs and policies?

Don't be fucking stupid.

Is it racist to say you avoid urban areas because of the crime?

Don't be fucking stupid.

Is it racist to say you prefer white jelly beans over black jelly beans?

Don't be fucking stupid.

Where am I, in Rachael Maddow's forum? LOL.

Apparently you don't know how not to be fucking stupid.

"When words lose their meaning, people lose their liberty."  -- Confucius[/b][/color] (it was true 2,500 years ago, and it is true today)

:Rollseyes:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conflate

Now why don't you go vote and pretend that supporting government is the way to be free.

I did it. I fed the troll. Hooray.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Branlin on May 07, 2011, 09:54:36 AM
Haha, I didn't think this forum would be a bastion of politically-correct speech, but apparently it is. You must be young enough to have been taught it via government schools, and/or you subconsciously absorbed by the politically-correct culture.

Don't be a fucking moron, ya fuckin' moron.

"Racism" is the belief that one race is inherently superior over another, so again, how could Paul's alleged statement be considered racist?

Let's use a better term then, shall we? Fucking bigot. Ron Paul is a fucking ignorant bigot. How's that?

Is it racist to say you don't like Obama?

Don't be fucking stupid.

Is it racist to say you don't like Obama's beliefs and policies?

Don't be fucking stupid.

Is it racist to say you avoid urban areas because of the crime?

Don't be fucking stupid.

Is it racist to say you prefer white jelly beans over black jelly beans?

Don't be fucking stupid.

Where am I, in Rachael Maddow's forum? LOL.

Apparently you don't know how not to be fucking stupid.

"When words lose their meaning, people lose their liberty."  -- Confucius[/b][/color] (it was true 2,500 years ago, and it is true today)

:Rollseyes:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conflate

Now why don't you go vote and pretend that supporting government is the way to be free.

I did it. I fed the troll. Hooray.


No need to get huffy.

Why not just address my points instead?
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 10:07:22 AM
No need to get huffy.

Why not just address my points instead?

I did. Better and more clearly than they it deserved.

I changed "racist" to bigot.

My work is done in that arena.

Accusing a well known market anarchist moderator with many thousands of posts backing his obviously non PC views of PC behavior is gonna get you some backlash.

Ron Paul said "Get the blacks off of welfare." - Not "Get rid of welfare." or "Get rid of the welfare state." or "Help create jerbs for poor people." or "Help poor people make better lives for themselves."

"The blacks."

As if "The blacks" are the subject. The dude said a stupid thing. Call it whatever you want. I'm not being politically correct to point out that it is a stupid thing to say and that it looks bad.

It's a stupid fucking thing to say, no different than "We need to get The Jews more work in Hollywood." or "We need to get driver's training for the Asians." or "Let's crack down on Italian crime."

So stop being fucking stupid already.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 07, 2011, 10:10:19 AM
or "We need to get driver's training for the Asians."

+1000

Ok, maybe not "we",  but there should be a free market option here.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Branlin on May 07, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
No need to get huffy.

Why not just address my points instead?

I did. Better and more clearly than they it deserved.

I changed "racist" to bigot.

My work is done in that arena.

Accusing a well known market anarchist moderator with many thousands of posts backing his obviously non PC views of PC behavior is gonna get you some backlash.

Ron Paul said "Get the blacks off of welfare." - Not "Get rid of welfare." or "Get rid of the welfare state." or "Help create jerbs for poor people." or "Help poor people make better lives for themselves."

"The blacks."

As if "The blacks" are the subject. The dude said a stupid thing. Call it whatever you want. I'm not being politically correct to point out that it is a stupid thing to say and that it looks bad.

It's a stupid fucking thing to say, no different than "We need to get The Jews more work in Hollywood." or "We need to get driver's training for the Asians." or "Let's crack down on Italian crime."


Well now we're getting somewhere.

First, I highly doubt that RP actually said that. I can't even imagine him thinking it. But I suppose "I heard it on the internet so it must be true" prevails.

But even if he did say it, how does the desire to get blacks to be financially independent equate to a feeling of racial superiority?

If he said "I want to get people off of welfare," (which he probably HAS said), I'm assuming that would NOT be racist, but substituting the word "people" with "black" is racist? How so?

Is it racist to point out that blacks are typically superior to whites in sports? Actually, you are admitting that blacks are genetically superior to you -- the opposite of racism.

So what is a "bigot"? Anyone who disagrees with you?

Quote
So stop being fucking stupid already.

Thanks for being a gentleman about this.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: alaric89 on May 07, 2011, 10:45:39 AM
Aren't there plenty of Jews in Hollywood?

           Ron Paul 2012
He will probably suck less than the others
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on May 07, 2011, 11:17:21 AM
Aren't there plenty of Jews in Hollywood?

           Ron Paul 2012
He will probably suck less than the others
Yup.  So?
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 07, 2011, 11:49:17 AM
I think what he means is that we need to get the Jews off Hollywood.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: alaric89 on May 07, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
I was making fun of Shaw. I think of racism as a non issue.
I am not a racist, but I am very slow to use the accusation in libertarian circles. I don't like people on witch hunts any more then I like the actual racist. Most find I tend to react to actual crimes. I don't believe liberty and unpopular thinking are incompatible with each other. In fact I believe closed comunities with similar thinking assholes freely choosing to live there is a important component in a practical free society.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 07, 2011, 01:34:54 PM
Just got back from a real estate auction where I was winning bidder on a 2.5 acre parcel of residential, zoned for that and livestock if you so desired + shitty house on the property, which would have to be torn down instead of trying to refurb, that is,  if you have any brains in your head.

Anyway, this John Turturro looking character comes up to me after bidding is over,  he finds out I was the winning bidder and asks me what I'll take for it, over what I bid. I said "I dont know" He said "How bout 5 grand?" I say "How bout 10?" He says "How about 8?" I say "OK, you got a deal" and extend my hand out to close the deal. Turns out the guy showed up late because of some shit that had to do with his wife, and he really wanted this piece of property. So I made 8k from 1 hr of my time.


I'm gonna give Ron Paul 4 grand of it.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: alaric89 on May 07, 2011, 01:55:25 PM
Sweet.  Congrats man.
You sure you won't give it to Obama? He is a thief and a liar but hey,....
he's not racist.......
 :shock:
*snort
 :lol:
 :lol:

wait ...... nope can't write it :lol:
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: anarchir on May 07, 2011, 01:59:48 PM
I think Racism will eventually just become a non-issue. Eventually everyone will have inter-bred and race will become impossible to distinguish.  There will still be the people with big/little noses, short/tall people, fat/skinny, etc but what can you possibly do about people being idiotic bigots about that?

Also, I dont mind that Ron Paul is trying to help The Blacks find jobs:

(http://images1.cliqueclack.com/tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/curb-the-blacks-425x282.jpg)
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 07, 2011, 02:08:26 PM


Also, I dont mind that Ron Paul is trying to help The Blacks find jobs:

I agree completely. I also agree everyone will eventually become a medium-brown color, like coffee with cream, so we might as well have fun while we still can when it comes to pointing out our differences in color.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 07, 2011, 02:11:56 PM
Sweet.  Congrats man.
You sure you won't give it to Obama? He is a thief and a liar but hey,....
he's not racist.......
 :shock:
*snort
 :lol:
 :lol:

wait ...... nope can't write it :lol:


Thanks man,

The O can have my _ _ _ _ down his throat, but I dont wanna waste perfectly good sperm cells.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Andy on May 07, 2011, 02:55:41 PM
Scenario:

Person A: How can we best help black people?

Ron Paul: something, something, something, but what we really need to do is get them off welfare.

Otherwise I'm with Shaw.

He posted that info in response to the claim that Paul was a "nice guy" not in response to the idea that he'd be a better president than the others.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on May 07, 2011, 03:57:50 PM
I think what he means is that we need to get the Jews off Hollywood.

Why?
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on May 07, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
I think Racism will eventually just become a non-issue. Eventually everyone will have inter-bred and race will become impossible to distinguish.  There will still be the people with big/little noses, short/tall people, fat/skinny, etc but what can you possibly do about people being idiotic bigots about that?

Also, I dont mind that Ron Paul is trying to help The Blacks find jobs:

(http://images1.cliqueclack.com/tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/curb-the-blacks-425x282.jpg)
Awesome pun.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: alaric89 on May 07, 2011, 05:05:10 PM
I think what he means is that we need to get the Jews off Hollywood.

Why?
You have to start with Shaw's post that I was building off of where he was doing a absurd example argument against all sorts of racism. Lets be clear, neather myself, or quickmike or John are racist against Jews. I am slightly skeptical of rooms full of drunken rednecks and that is about as racist as I get. It's due to the fact I am a redneck and know damn well groups of us drunk are a danger to ourselves and others.
Jeez people have thin skins here lately.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 05:51:44 PM
Well now we're getting somewhere.

First, I highly doubt that RP actually said that. I can't even imagine him thinking it. But I suppose "I heard it on the internet so it must be true" prevails.

This comment alone is proof that you don't fucking read. I didn't hear it on the internet. I spoke to a first hand source on the telephone. A person who had no reason to lie and that I know quite well.

But even if he did say it, how does the desire to get blacks to be financially independent equate to a feeling of racial superiority?

Clarification and context:

Date: 1989-1990

QUESTION (Paraphrased but the specific points are solid): "Mr. Paul, how do you think we can help defend the economy against collapse in the long term?"

ANSWER "Well first of all we need to get the blacks off of welfare."

Not people, not welfare recipients, not anything but "The blacks". The implication is that black people on welfare is an issue causing the collapse of the economy.

Not accounting for the fact that the majority of welfare recipients are fucking white -

As of 1994

White     38.8%
Black     39.8
Hispanic  15.7
Asian      2.4
other      3.3

As of 2006

37.8% white* (37.8% of the white population is on welfare)

27.78% black* (27.78% of the black population is on welfare)

11.47% Hispanic* ** (11.47% of the Hispanic population is on welfare)

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Is it racist to point out that blacks are typically superior to whites in sports? Actually, you are admitting that blacks are genetically superior to you -- the opposite of racism.

Look at those numbers. Claiming that black people are the problem with welfare when the numbers clearly show that the highest percentage of welfare recipients is white (Look it up yourself, I'm not citing shit for you.) and specifically white women, is the issue.

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Thanks for being a gentleman about this.

I never agreed to be. Read your first response to me and all of the bullshit you threw at me because of what I said. Go fuck a garden rake. And I didn't fucking call anyone a bigot but RP. You wanna parse terminology about exactly what it is to show ignorance about a particular group of people and base your decisions around your incorrect assumptions you go right ahead. I'm not gonna parse words with you. It's prejudicial bigoted bullshit.

The man was perpetuating an untrue racial stereotype for political gain.

Ron Paul has said some stupid shit about race. You call it whatever you want.

One more thing -

Quote
Haha, I didn't think this forum would be a bastion of politically-correct speech, but apparently it is. You must be young enough to have been taught it via government schools, and/or you subconsciously absorbed by the politically-correct culture.

This comment is what got me pissed. We'd be having a friendly chat if you hadn't insulted me. And for the record, I'm 37 years old.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 05:58:56 PM
http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-revealed/

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/politics/paul.newsletters_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS


All can be verified. Look for the originals, they're out there.

Ron Paul isn't gonna save the fucking world. He's a goddamned rabbit hole sucking up money better spent elsewhere for yet another exercise in the unwavering faith in politics circle jerk.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on May 07, 2011, 06:09:49 PM
As predicted, the bullshit about Ron Paul being racist is dragged out as soon as the powers that be start fearing Ron Paul.

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/why-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-matter/ (http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/why-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-matter/)

I, for one, don't give a crap who's President any more, but I want Ron Paul to have a campaign in which the ideas of liberty resonate, and he's faithfully sponsored that message for a long time.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 06:14:30 PM
As predicted, the bullshit about Ron Paul being racist is dragged out as soon as the powers that be start fearing Ron Paul.

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/why-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-matter/ (http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/why-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-matter/)

I, for one, don't give a crap who's President any more, but I want Ron Paul to have a campaign in which the ideas of liberty resonate, and he's faithfully sponsored that message for a long time.

Yeah but shit has come up from inside his own camp, from Lew Rockwell etc. I totally get that the mainstream media is untrustworthy, but Lew Rockwell is on a somewhat higher plane in the world of accusations.

Either way, racist or not, Ron Paul says shit that gets him labeled a racist by the mainstream and his responses to all of the accusations have been lacking to say the least.

None of that matters tho, really, because I'm talking about a very specific incident.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: John Shaw on May 07, 2011, 06:18:30 PM
Also this:

http://www.issues2000.org/tx/Ron_Paul.htm

If you go line by line, you can see a shitpile of reasons why supporting a statist isn't good.

The lesser of two evils is evil.

In any compromise between food and poison, poison wins.

Wharrgarbl REDFACED SCREAMING etc.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Fred on May 07, 2011, 09:05:37 PM
Also this:

http://www.issues2000.org/tx/Ron_Paul.htm

If you go line by line, you can see a shitpile of reasons why supporting a statist isn't good.

The lesser of two evils is evil.

In any compromise between food and poison, poison wins.

Wharrgarbl REDFACED SCREAMING etc.

Ouch!
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Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on May 09, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
Sounds like Lew Rockwell is a creep.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 09, 2011, 03:41:04 PM
Sounds like Lew Rockwell is a creep.

Nah, he's just in that "I dont vote............. for NOBODY" camp. I can understand that. I'm pretty much the same way. I just support RP as far as the debates go.

He IS a big supporter of Ron Paul though. Everytime someone brings up RP's name to Lew Rockwell, he has nothing but good things to say about him. Not a creep....... just doesn't really believe in politics.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on May 10, 2011, 12:07:39 AM
Sounds like Lew Rockwell is a creep.

Nah, he's just in that "I dont vote............. for NOBODY" camp. I can understand that. I'm pretty much the same way. I just support RP as far as the debates go.

He IS a big supporter of Ron Paul though. Everytime someone brings up RP's name to Lew Rockwell, he has nothing but good things to say about him. Not a creep....... just doesn't really believe in politics.

I was thinking in terms of his racist attitudes.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: lucidhawk on May 10, 2011, 08:38:58 AM
Lew Rockwell the founder and Chairman of the largest most successful liberty website/institute on the planet racist? What? When? Where?!
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on May 10, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
Lew Rockwell the founder and Chairman of the largest most successful liberty website/institute on the planet racist? What? When? Where?!

I was responding to this Reason article John Shaw posted:

http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter (http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter)
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Delphi on May 11, 2011, 12:41:39 PM
Old news or not this is something that will always haunt him everytime he runs for president. So get ready for the smear campaign headed by the publication of these newsletters.

In the end, these are a big reason why he doesn't win, followed by the other charges of him being a "radical" out to lunch.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: kallen on May 12, 2011, 05:34:03 PM
I think Racism will eventually just become a non-issue. Eventually everyone will have inter-bred and race will become impossible to distinguish. 

I am looking forward to that era.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Turd Ferguson on May 12, 2011, 05:35:57 PM
I think Racism will eventually just become a non-issue. Eventually everyone will have inter-bred and race will become impossible to distinguish.

I am looking forward to that era.

I hope you are doing your part and bangin' some albino chicks.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: kallen on May 12, 2011, 05:53:50 PM
I think Racism will eventually just become a non-issue. Eventually everyone will have inter-bred and race will become impossible to distinguish.

I am looking forward to that era.

I hope you are doing your part and bangin' some albino chicks.

For sure. I'll be moving there next month. Perhaps, you can hook me up with some libertarian bitches up there.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: mikehz on May 13, 2011, 01:12:39 PM
The Democrats and Republicans will smear anyone who gets nominated in any other party, major or minor. It's how business is done.

But, Ron Paul will not get elected, since to get elected he'd actually have to get nominated, which isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Level 20 Anklebiter on May 14, 2011, 09:30:23 AM
Sounds like Lew Rockwell is a creep.

He and Hoppe are the social conservatives of the Austrian School. There are others who are not social conservatives (Rothbard was a social liberal from what I remember), but they don't have much of a voice at the Mises Institute, sadly.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Level 20 Anklebiter on May 14, 2011, 09:32:08 AM
The Democrats and Republicans will smear anyone who gets nominated in any other party, major or minor. It's how business is done.

But, Ron Paul will not get elected, since to get elected he'd actually have to get nominated, which isn't going to happen.

I agree, the neocons still have a firm grasp on the national committee of the Republican party. It would take a walk out of some of the national committee to make it feasible for Ron Paul to even get on the ballot of a third party. The NLP is a joke, even as a vehicle for education.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: alaric89 on December 07, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
Rush Limbaugh vs. Alex Jones on Ron Paul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ah1Jzd9H_Q#)
Bill Maher LOVES Libertarian Republican Ron Paul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGmG5CogTRo#)
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on December 07, 2011, 08:33:43 PM
ewww... alex jones and rush limbaugh and bill maher.  Gross.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: alaric89 on December 08, 2011, 01:35:30 AM
Limbaugh has evidently abandoned every principle he claimed to have in the early 90's.
I think Maher is a good guy to have in your libertarian corner. His audience isn't the choir.
I wish P.J. O'Rourke had more to say, he is very popular as a writer overseas. I haven't heard his opinion on Ron Paul yet. He is very pro-military, but otherwise has been quite libertarian for a while.
Title: Re: Ron Paul won't beat Obama because Americans will get afraid
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on December 08, 2011, 10:58:45 AM
Limbaugh has evidently abandoned every principle he claimed to have in the early 90's.
I think Maher is a good guy to have in your libertarian corner. His audience isn't the choir.
I wish P.J. O'Rourke had more to say, he is very popular as a writer overseas. I haven't heard his opinion on Ron Paul yet. He is very pro-military, but otherwise has been quite libertarian for a while.

Interesting about O'Rourke.

A quick internet search shows that O'Rourke apparently has little respect for Paul.  Then again, I can't remember him showing respect for anyone.