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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: cavalier973 on January 04, 2012, 12:52:37 AM
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http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201 (http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201)
"Senior advisors for Paul's coalitions team told Business Insider this week that the campaign's organizational strategy was focused not only on getting as many votes as they can, but in making sure that their volunteers stuck around after the voting to make sure that they were nominated as delegates to the county's Republican convention — the first step towards being appointed as a delegate to the Republican National Convention.
That's because Iowa's Republican caucuses are actually non-binding — it's technically just a straw poll. The only thing that will get Paul's — or any other candidate's — Iowa supporters to Tampa next year is if they stuck around and volunteered, or were elected, as delegates."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201#ixzz1iSx6lPRm (http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201#ixzz1iSx6lPRm)
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So.... this is a stupid bullshit process again. I fucking hate politics, its so ridiculously stupid.
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Misleading title is misleading.
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He earned a solid third.
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I think they cheated. Wouldn't have been that hard really. On CNN the Ron Paul observer was trying to film the clusterfuck way they were counting and the reporter and a "volunteer" blocked his view during the count. No one said anything. All the other observers had clear view of the counters the whole time. Easy to "misplace" 1000 or so ballets that way.
I am actually kind of cool with the results anyway, since ultimately I agree with Dave from Montana about Ron Paul's fate if he does too well. Ultimately I just want him to do well enough to keep talking.
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I think they cheated.
I think you're nine thousand miles away.
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It makes perfect sense Rick "Santorum" did so well in Iowa. Its full of evangelicals that always support the guy that promises to bomb the fuck out of Iran the most and ensures, in their minds, the second coming of God's hippy kid when they rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
They went for Huckabee in 08. Same thing here.
I agree with alaric. I'm just glad he got a top three finish so he can continue traveling the land spreading the message.
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Making a big deal about it will feed the "kook" angle, but I think it's fairly obvious the vote totals were highly manipulated.
At about 35% of the vote tallied, it was a dead heat, with less than a few hundred votes separating the three candidates. Suddenly, the totals diverged at around 40%, and Ron Paul was two percent, then four percent behind. The total of over 120,000 votes was said to be something like EIGHT different between the supposed top two. That's statistically off the charts, just as with the hugely fixed elections of 2000 and 2004. What's more, if you look at the math, the totals appear to have been crafted to create a "believable" separation of 3% (24.5/24.5/21.5), but they round PERFECTLY to make it 4%, because the top two are SLIGHTLY above 24.5 and Ron Paul's "cut" is SLIGHTLY below 21.5. Things just don't magically cut like this in real life.
Again, making a big deal about it will reinforce the "kook" angle, but I believe it was clearly fixed. The thing to do is NOT GO AWAY, and point to the fact that as much as they want Ron Paul to disappear, he WILL NOT. The candidate that "wasn't electable" got over 1/5 of the total votes out of something like 9 candidates--by THEIR corrupt count.
Oh yeah, and we're led to believe that Santorum suddenly came within the magic 8 votes of Romney after having basically no chance in hell, just because the religious right kingmakers told a bunch of pastors to tell people to vote for Santorum (or worse, that voters decided for themselves to do so.)
Oh, there's also this:
GOP's Fear of the Rise of Ron Paul (https://www.freetalklive.com/content/gops_fear_rise_ron_paul) (post-Iowa)
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religious right kingmakers told a bunch of pastors to tell people to vote for Santorum
Caucuses are famous for this kind of skewing. This is why the 1st in the nation PRIMARY is really more a useful indicator.
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religious right kingmakers told a bunch of pastors to tell people to vote for Santorum
Caucuses are famous for this kind of skewing. This is why the 1st in the nation PRIMARY is really more a useful indicator.
It looks like your first in the nation primary is likely to be a Romney landslide, and I couldn't be more hopeful that I'm wrong.
Oh, I liked this article too--an oddly straightforward interview of Ron Paul:
http://news.yahoo.com/q-ron-paul-iowas-third-place-finisher-081000162.html (http://news.yahoo.com/q-ron-paul-iowas-third-place-finisher-081000162.html)
BTW, the polls make it seem Ron Paul's getting absolutely hammered by Romney in your first-in-the-nation primary.
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The way some guy (who claimed to be a delegate in Iowa) on Reason.com put it, after the voting was over, most people were like, "Cool, lets go grab a beer", but the delegates had yet to be chosen. It cost $35 to be a county delegate, and $50 to be a district/state delegate. The guy shelled out $170 for himself and his wife. Most of the other candidates' supporters had already left, but Ron Paul's campaign had informed his supporters to stick around, and volunteer to be delegates. Tuesday's vote was non-binding; it only matters if you can get delegates, and you get delegates by having your supporters stay after the vote and volunteer, which, apparently, a lot of people aren't willing to do.
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The most amazing thing about this Iowa vote is how close the first two came out. Now thats some bullshit if i've ever seen it.
What are the odds that out of 60,000 votes between the two, there was only a 8 vote spread between them. Statistically, this is near impossible.
RP may or may not have had votes stolen from him, but one thing is for sure, the totals for Santorum and the Rominator were fabricated. No question about it.
30,015 to 30,007???
Utter bullshit.
I'd bet my life on it.
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Well.... at least no one got 130% vote like in Russia.
Our cheating looks sort of possible! USA! USA! USA!
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The most amazing thing about this Iowa vote is how close the first two came out. Now thats some bullshit if i've ever seen it.
What are the odds that out of 60,000 votes between the two, there was only a 8 vote spread between them. Statistically, this is near impossible.
RP may or may not have had votes stolen from him, but one thing is for sure, the totals for Santorum and the Rominator were fabricated. No question about it.
30,015 to 30,007???
Utter bullshit.
I'd bet my life on it.
If you knew anything about statistics you'd know that it is as statistically likely to get any percentage as any other.
This vote count was possible, but it is also possible that they cheated. I'm not gonna say one way or the other because it really doesn't matter anyways, does it?
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Sorry, I should have said the odds that the vote would be that close in any election are very unlikely, unless it was gamed.
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The count was obviously scripted.
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http://www.reddirtreport.com/Story.aspx/20926 (http://www.reddirtreport.com/Story.aspx/20926)