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Title: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
I hereby proclaim my rational rejection of interpersonal sex!

The idea of two (or more) people being totally in sync with each-other's sexual needs is becoming an ancient myth.  Yes, it's possible (or so some people claim), but it's a huge gamble, and at what cost?  And you can never be truly, sustainably happy if your happiness depends on someone else - someone who could leave you or change or get sick or suffer an accident at any time.  And someone who is your ideal romantic partner is not necessarily an ideal partner in all other things.

The more sophisticated a human mind becomes, the more individualistic it becomes, and thus the greater is the sacrifice it would need to make to adapt to his or her sexual partner(s).  There is something downright disgusting about a caricature of a millionaire paying someone else to tie his shoelaces or wipe his butt for him, and I am starting to feel the same way about sex.  Self-reliance (i.e. masturbation) is starting to seem a far more rational, creative, and dignified outlet for human sexual urges (if they can't be turned off entirely).

I am a big fan of natalism and increasing the human population (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=30621), but sex and procreation have become two completely different things.  A sperm donor who has never had interpersonal sex or even hugged another person in his entire life can father millions of children (if his genes or other economic incentives are deemed so desirable), while a prostitute who averages dozens of different partners a day can die completely childless!

A person not wasting his/her time, money, and emotional energy on other romantic / sexual partners will be able to allocate more of those resources toward more meaningful things, including enjoying solo-erotic activities with complete emotional peace and fulfillment.  Instead of wasting your life trying and most likely failing to have a soul-mate, you can instead strengthen yourself as a more complete individual, and thus a better human being!

It is natural for people to have a lot of love they want to give to others, but there are far more rational and rewarding outlets for that love than sexual relations: art, career, platonic relationships with one's intellectual peers, parents, and most important of all - children.  With proper and gender-equal economic incentives for people to have children, a sexually inactive single parent would be far more likely to be a better parent because s\he would choose additional parent-figures for his/her children (tutors, homeschooling partners, etc) on the basis of their benefit to the children rather than to him/herself.  In fact, concerns over future sexual attractiveness and freedom to pursue future sexual conquests is the main reason why people end up having fewer kids!

The economic benefits of interpersonal asexuality are unbelievable!  It seems that some people waste half of their lives just to be more desirable to potential sexual partners, or to deal with the consequences of their past sexual passions (STD's, unwanted children, unhappy families, etc).  Limiting yourself to occasional masturbation (which is no different from any other bodily function) makes a person healthy, wealthy, and wise - and those things should be particularly important to an atheist who enjoys life and wants to prolong it as much as possible.

Imagine being on your deathbed at the forefront of the 22nd century, desperately looking for a bank that would give you a loan for an organ replacement surgery necessary to save your life, knowing that it would make a difference between possible immortality in a holodeck-like paradise that's better than anything we can today imagine and complete and total demise.  As one bank after another rejects your application, you are going to seriously regret all the time and money you've wasted hanging out with your "cool" friends in bars trying to pick up easy women, or sitting through chick-flicks / guy-flicks you don't enjoy, or shopping for a new fur coat for your wife...

Sure, materialism isn't everything, even if your existence in this materialistic universe may depend on it, but even subjective happiness can be more abundant if you just overcome your monkey-brain's irrational desire for interpersonal sex!  Imagine all the great things you could learn by choosing the people you interact with on the basis of intelligence and other constructive benefit rather than sex or popularity (most nonsexual relationships are based on advancing one's social status, with sexual desirability being the primary motivator).  In comparison to that, wasting one's time, money, and mental energy on romantic love or sex seems like subhuman stupidity!

A self-esteem boost that is obtained by appeasing your irrational emotions displaces the potential for boosting your ego through far more substantive accomplishment.  I wouldn't trade even a minute of my intellectual self-expression even on this silly forum for an hour of sex with the most desirable sexual partner(s) this world has to offer!  The knowledge that I intake on this forum will benefit me for as long as I exist, and the ideas that I create could last as long as the human civilization!


Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: davann on February 11, 2010, 02:28:13 PM
People need human contact. I believe this has already been proven has it not? Without some touch a person's mind becomes unstable. We are social creatures.

I'd suggest putting some of the energy you are giving to this subject into attempting to make physical contact with others. Your sanity will thank you.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 02:36:26 PM
Its not like anything has changed for you.

Sure, I was always a socially retarded little computer nerd, but I've demonstrated myself quite capable of surpassing that whenever I recognized the need.  I even transformed my body for a while by spending like 20 hours a week in a gym.  I've had plenty of good sex with women who were madly in love with me, and I've tried everything at least once.  I've also had plenty of mediocre sex, and sex I had to pay for, which I could quite easily afford.

And now I don't plan on having interpersonal sex ever again - by my own choice, for the reasons described above as well as several others, similar to those described on my Tax Resister Diet (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31494) thread.  Sex is a weapon that every serious dissident should guard himself against!
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: blackie on February 11, 2010, 02:46:19 PM
You should give up porn.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: fatcat on February 11, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
Glad to hear you've come up with yet another tenet of personal life philosophy which makes you ever more content with your mental & emotional quirks?

ZING!
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 03:14:26 PM
People need human contact.  [...]

Monkeys might need contact from other monkeys, but what a human being needs is a moving target.  Human beings can alter their environment as well as themselves for their own benefit, and they can supersede their lower instincts via their capacity to reason.  A mind that can build an iPhone or a space station doesn't always need his animal instincts to tell him how to live!


Your sanity will thank you.  [...]

There is no positive correlation between sexual activity and intellect.  In fact the intellectual elite in many societies have often been celibate (with or without castration), while people with particularly low IQ's will fuck anyone and anything twenty times a day if they can.


Glad to hear you've come up with yet another tenet of personal life philosophy which makes you ever more content with your mental & emotional quirks?

My quirks do not rule me.  I rule my quirks.


You should give up porn.

I would if I thought it was a rational thing to do.  I probably could even give up masturbation entirely if I wanted to - I have for a couple of weeks before, but it did not make me a better person, and it certainly wouldn't help with my recent efforts to quit my addiction to hateful stupid rants (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32323) that can be far more destructive.  Mindless prohibitions and self-discipline for its own sake is not what I'm about!

If I get the desire to masturbate while in the shower I do so without porn (no waterproof screens yet), and that's really the ideal place to do it, but if I get this desire at any other appropriate time (and I have nothing better to do) then I do prefer to have some porn to enhance and expedite the process.  I've always liked to read about Japanese culture while eating Japanese food, and reviewing the nutritional benefits of a healthy meal does seem to make it tastier, and watching certain videos does motivate me to work out (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32497), etc - so why not stimulate my mind with pornography while fulfilling my body's sexual needs? 
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: davann on February 11, 2010, 04:08:28 PM
Is it not a common trait amongst serial killers that they were devoid of human contact while growing up? This might be something you could look into before messing with nature.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 11, 2010, 04:17:28 PM
I'd rather be with someone who can both fuck my brains out and be a friend to me than be completely alone and having no sex.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Turd Ferguson on February 11, 2010, 05:34:28 PM
Is it not a common trait amongst serial killers that they were devoid of human contact while growing up? This might be something you could look into before messing with nature.


Wha?????

Youre saying he should look into being a serial killer?
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 05:41:45 PM
Is it not a common trait amongst serial killers that they were devoid of human contact while growing up?

Being capable of murder is not in of itself a weakness.  Being able to control your emotions for a rational purpose is a strength.


I'd rather be with someone who can both fuck my brains out and be a friend to me than be completely alone and having no sex.

Good luck.  Or you could reevaluate the need to have your brains fucked out of you by another human being, which would free up a greater portion of your life for other things.  Not having sexual compatibility as a criteria would open you to being able to have better friends.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: John Shaw on February 11, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
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Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 06:03:30 PM
One moment of true intellectual conquest feels better than 10,000,000 orgasms!

You might have to take my word on this though.  ;)
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: davann on February 11, 2010, 06:12:54 PM
One moment of true intellectual conquest feels better than 10,000,000 orgasms!

You might have to take my word on this though.  ;)


ur doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: John Shaw on February 11, 2010, 06:19:00 PM
One moment of true intellectual conquest feels better than 10,000,000 orgasms!

You might have to take my word on this though.  ;)

You know what's even better? Both. Try it some time.

Yeah, you've really turned over a new leaf, there, Drunky Mc Drunkenstein. Have another shot of cheap vodka.

Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Rillion on February 11, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
I can't for the life of me fathom why someone would feel the need to make a choice between intellectual conquest and orgasms.   If it's a time issue, surely Libman has wasted exponentially more time here blathering on than he has orgasming.  Why not give that up?

Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 11, 2010, 06:32:25 PM


I'd rather be with someone who can both fuck my brains out and be a friend to me than be completely alone and having no sex.

Good luck.  Or you could reevaluate the need to have your brains fucked out of you by another human being, which would free up a greater portion of your life for other things.  Not having sexual compatibility as a criteria would open you to being able to have better friends.


I already have sexual compatibility and a real friend.

Said friend lives more than five hundred miles away from me though :sadface:
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 11, 2010, 07:21:13 PM
I'm a crazy agoraphobic lesbian. Getting out of the house to check the mail once a day is an achievement for me.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 07:46:51 PM
[...]  Have another shot of cheap vodka.

Hey now, why the elevation of hostility?  This thread is about me and my sex life.  To each his own.

And I've had very little alcohol in my lifetime total; less than 20 drinks in the past year, and my last drink was on October 23rd.  Don't plan on having one again, ever (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31494).


I can't for the life of me fathom why someone would feel the need to make a choice between intellectual conquest and orgasms.

Neither do I, but most people seem to sacrifice the former for the latter quite a bit...  :?


If it's a time issue, surely Libman has wasted exponentially more time here blathering on than he has orgasming.

Hey now, that was some of the greatest blathering ever achieved by a member of the human race!  An exploration of a thousand different facets of the human condition - never mindless, never repetitive, and preserved for greater glory of all mankind!  And, sure, some of it was infantile, but that's the whole point - ideas such as that don't often get explored on an open literary level.  And it was very therapeutic too.


I already have sexual compatibility and a real friend.

Said friend lives more than five hundred miles away from me though

Are you sure it was both friendship and sexual compatibility, without one compromising the other?  I'm not saying that's impossible, just highly unlikely, especially with all the monkey hormones getting in the way of sound judgment.  In any case, you've tried to attain happiness from outside of your own self, and you've paid the price that most people do...


I'm a crazy agoraphobic lesbian. Getting out of the house to check the mail once a day is an achievement for me.

It's so nice to be able to feel sympathy for you without any hint of actionable sexual attraction, which would have existed otherwise.  The one thing I've never experienced was... someone like you...
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 11, 2010, 07:50:32 PM
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Quote from: TimeLady Victorious on Today at 06:32:25 PM
I already have sexual compatibility and a real friend.

Said friend lives more than five hundred miles away from me though

Are you sure it was both friendship and sexual compatibility, without one compromising the other?  I'm not saying that's impossible, just highly unlikely, especially with all the monkey hormones getting in the way of sound judgment.  In any case, you've tried to attain happiness from outside of your own self, and you've paid the price that most people do...

Both, definitely.

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Quote from: TimeLady Victorious on Today at 07:21:13 PM
I'm a crazy agoraphobic lesbian. Getting out of the house to check the mail once a day is an achievement for me.

It's so nice to be able to feel sympathy for you without any hint of actionable sexual attraction, which would have existed otherwise.  The one thing I've never experienced was... someone like you...

You'd be surprised how often I hear that.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: mikehz on February 11, 2010, 09:42:31 PM
I rather enjoy interpersonal sex, and enjoy it rather often.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Rillion on February 11, 2010, 09:43:57 PM
I rather enjoy interpersonal sex, and enjoy it rather often.

It's rather better than intrapersonal sex, which is still pretty good. 
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on February 11, 2010, 09:49:03 PM
I rather enjoy interpersonal sex, and enjoy it rather often.

It's rather better than intrapersonal sex, which is still pretty good. 

Don't knock masturbation. Its sex with someone you love.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
Heh, somehow your puny monkey-brains have drifted this thread into the realm of self-denial, which is not what it's all about.  It's about uncompromising rational individualism in all things, including sex.  If you don't get it then you don't get it.  I do.  :D

And ladies - high-IQ Libman sperm is available upon request.  Seriously.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 11:17:58 PM
Ah, silly n00b, doesn't even understand that trolling is not a true or false condition, but a pandimensional infinity of possibilities!  :lol:

As for complete celibacy, I've tried it multiple times, including around the time I wrote this:
 
Every guy who never missed an orgasm-a-day routine since puberty should try to go a month w/o one.  (Wet dreams are allowed.)  It changes your psychology, gives you a drive you didn't have before, a drive than can be channeled to other things.  It makes you wanna pick up a sword and march on a crusade!

So no wonder societies that want discipline and collectivism go to great lengths to discourage masturbation, and the consumerist "get what you want when you want it" societies naturally adapt the idea that everybody's doing it...

The important thing is to be in control of your emotions.  If you let yourself get instant gratification every time you feel a need (and perhaps even encouraging the need to arise via porn), there are certain important chemicals that never get a chance to develop in your brain.  Absence of those chemicals can make you more passive, less willing to push yourself to pursue opportunities, and thus weaken you, possibly hurt your career or whatever other goals you've made for yourself.

Make masturbation (or real sex) a neuroassociative condition for success!  Put together a criteria by which you rank your day and assign a grade.  If you don't score a B+, no orgasm for you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_soup_for_you)!

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some hypocrisy to attend to...   :P


But...  When I went without it for weeks I'd waste like 100x more energy trying to not think about sex, and I was about ready to smash my head through a brick wall!  Even the priests aren't really expected not to do it! (http://www.articlesbase.com/womens-health-articles/is-celibacy-practical-454766.html)  So it's easier to just get it out of your system, like any other necessary bodily function.  Five to ten minutes 5-20 times per week is a small price to pay.  :roll:

So anyway, to answer the question in your last paragraph - the mere possibility of interpersonal sex is a great destroyer of time and mental energy.  You think about it with every girl you have a chance to get to know (and if you're not a perfect 0 on the Kinsey scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale) then it's even worse).  If you haven't done it for a while, you're starting to doubt yourself.  Temptation can come at you from all the wrong places.  Etc.  But when you completely swear off even the possibility of any kind of interpersonal sex, ever - you're free!
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 11, 2010, 11:48:32 PM
Well, I feel the first post in this thread really covers everything.  Sex is a waste of human potential, and the less time you waste on it the better.  The last fuck-buddy I've had required a 40 minute drive each way (kind of hard now that I'm a car-free tax resister).  Finding fuck-buddies who are not an emotional can of worms is always a gamble.  (PROTIP: stay away from Jewish girls, they're all psychos.)  It always takes more out of you than you think.  And, besides, I'm never myself when I'm having interpersonal sex, I become someone else.  I don't like that anymore.  So...

Asexuality FTW!
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 12, 2010, 12:43:20 AM
Well, I feel the first post in this thread really covers everything.  Sex is a waste of human potential, and the less time you waste on it the better.  The last fuck-buddy I've had required a 40 minute drive each way (kind of hard now that I'm a car-free tax resister).  Finding fuck-buddies who are not an emotional can of worms is always a gamble.  (PROTIP: stay away from Jewish girls, they're all psychos.)  It always takes more out of you than you think.  And, besides, I'm never myself when I'm having interpersonal sex, I become someone else.  I don't like that anymore.  So...

Asexuality FTW!


After having studied philosophy for well over a decade now, I have concluded that mostly everything is bullshit. Logic & reasoning is mostly bullshit...the human condition is bullshit.....sex is bullshit....liberty is bullshit....economics is bullshit...everything is bullshit. Even though, my current perspective is rather negative....I can't help but notice that my mind feels pretty free.

In this bullshit world, I really do not need to justify anything....it really doesn't matter, because it's all bullshit, anywayz.

Maybe from now on...concepts will serve as merely a form of cheap entertainment.

NATURE RULES OVER YOU PATHETIC HUMAN BEINGS! NATURE RULES OVER YOU TOO ALEX! You cannot escape nature's DOOM!

you eat when nature tells you to eat....you shit when nature tells you to shit...you die when nature tells you to die....BUUUUUT you can't always fuck when nature tells you to fuck...why not? Because nature hates YOU!

You are confusing logical nature (ex. the mathematical laws) with our monkey-nature (ex. eat, shit, fuck, die).  The latter can be hacked.  If we so desire.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: mikehz on February 12, 2010, 08:00:33 AM
I still don't get why masturbating while thinking about sex is better than actual sex.

But then, it's been many years since I've done the ol' self-pleasure thing, so maybe I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: freeAgent on February 12, 2010, 08:07:10 AM
I know it's tough when you're having a hard time finding someone who will have have sex with you, but it's not a reason to make up theories about why that's a good thing.  I've known people who claim(ed) to be asexual, but the reality was that they either a)couldn't get sex or b)couldn't get sex with the person they wanted to have sex with.  Their "asexualness" quickly disappeared once they got into a relationship again.  Of course, if you're really happy with your life, then by all means continue doing what you're doing.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Ecolitan on February 12, 2010, 09:38:25 AM
I once went 3 years w/o sex, sometimes it was very difficult saying no and I would have to be careful about the situations I put myself in.  It was good for me.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 12, 2010, 11:11:48 AM
I still don't get why masturbating while thinking about sex is better than actual sex.

Not everyone thinks about sex while masturbating.  Many monks promote fierce prayer while dry-humping their mattress, for example.  Many a criminal (ex. in Malaysia) found that he could make his punishment more bearable by humping and jizzing into his caning restraints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Malaysia) while his buttocks were being turned into hamburger meat.  Etc.  That doesn't exactly work for me, but that means the physical and psycho-chemical need for orgasm can be re-routed to other emotions.  Like telling the government to go fuck itself.  :lol:

I could castrate myself entirely of course, but that might involve some side-effects (not to mention a lot of government red tape), and I don't like to make life-changing decisions lightly.  (Notice how many years it took me to move to New Hampshire, for example.)  But that is a possibility I'll consider, and that will mean the supply of high-IQ Libman sperm will eventually become finite!  That's right, ladies, you might have to bid at an auction to get what today you can get for free!  PM me to begin contractual negations today!  ;)


Their "asexualness" quickly disappeared once they got into a relationship again.

Well, if you ever catch me going to a high-rate prostitute, which I could easily afford before I became a tax resister, or traveling to Russia, where the hottest girls would fuck me just because I'm a rich American citizen (and I'm also more charming in Russian, go figure), etc - then you can call me a hypocrite, but in the meantime you have no grounds to do so!

Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 12, 2010, 12:55:41 PM
I was always under the notion that really for real "asexuals" do not even get horny [...]

Great, another issue over semantic vagueness (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19912.15) [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman).  "Asexual" simply means "no sex for me, thank you".  It is an umbrella term that includes people who have mental or physical inability to have sex, no interest in having sex, or choose to suppress or reroute their sexual urges for whatever reason.  It also both includes people who define sex as necessarily an interpersonal act, or any possible means of sexual gratification.  In other words it's a very vague definition, but it definitely excludes the most common forms of sex (including homosexuality, interpersonal digital manipulation, interpersonal dry-humping, etc) with other human beings.


It is also pretty much impossible to deal with chicks without wanting to fuck them.

It is impossible for me to deal with a yummy piece of meat without wanting to eat it, but I don't, because I believe I have a rational reason not to (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31494), and my integrity is worth a whole lot more.


So how does Alex The Transhumanist aka The Sexual Hacker....expect to solve this problem of endless instinctual sexual baiting?

Castration is a possibility, but not until a few years from now.  Basically what I want is the opposite of a vasectomy - no sexual urges, but plenty of sperm in the bank if any females ever agree to be artificially inseminated.  (Which in theory should also be possible through cloning, without the need to freeze any of my own sperm ahead of time, but the old fashioned way is still cheaper and involves much less government red tape.)


I really don't dig the extreme nihilism in this thread.

Woah, where did that come from?!  What nihilism??  Are you confused about what nihilism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism) is?!

I have extraordinarily well defined but still ever-evolving convictions, moral values, and goals!  I even recognize the need to procreate (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28831) [2] (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=30621), but the monkey-brained obsession with interpersonal sex is not the only way to do it!
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 12, 2010, 04:35:10 PM
I for one support castration, and think more men should get it done.

I would encourage everyone to hold off on any elective surgery until the Free Stater agorist economy is advanced enough to provide trustworthy medical services.  It would be kind of stupid for agorists to try to grow their own food, etc, but to leave their sex cells in a lab that is regulated by the state....   :shock:


Well maybe NHAT and Libman and Alciere, but I don't think I support that in general.

I am indifferent to your animosity, but I'd like to correct you in that you're still equating interpersonal sex with reproduction.  I could still father an unlimited number of biological children, possibly even after I'm dead, to say nothing of my ability to advance and influence civilization by non-genetic means as well!
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 12, 2010, 10:00:51 PM
You can castrate yourself if you like.  [...]

Hey now, my balls are very valuable at this point!  I just started offering my artificial insemination commodity, and I already have like three different women interested.  (Or at least pretending to be interested until I fax them the contract and they figure out I'm serious.)  I wonder if I can produce enough during my lifetime to keep up with demand!  :lol:


[Being John Shaw]

Does the word "troll" even have a specific meaning anymore?  This is a serious thread summarizing my thoughts on a very serious issue.  No one asked your opinion specifically, but I would welcome any comments that are constructive or at least coherent.  Yours weren't.


ALEX I COME TO NEW HAMPSHIRE FUCK YOU IN ASS K

I was mostly heterosexual (and most guys I was attracted to were younger) before I became asexual - which is what this thread is about!

Last warning before moving this to Hijack Free Zone...   :x
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 12, 2010, 11:23:45 PM
So asexuality is a reaction to latent homosexuality?  Should have known.

Heck no, I experienced the most same-sex attraction in my teens (and always to younger boys, but without really thinking about the mechanics of homosexual sex) and it declined from there.  The idea of abusing either end of the digestive system in that way disgusts me.  And it was mostly an experiment in open-mindedness - I've always preferred girls, and I've been attracted to girls for as long as I can remember myself.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Corey "Cizzle" Moore on February 13, 2010, 02:47:16 AM
Meh delete it all you want, but this still is one of the stupidest things I have ever read.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 13, 2010, 03:09:08 AM
I regret having to delete stuff, but some people are just way too hateful for absolutely no rational reason, and, as years of experience have shown, just cannot be dealt with constructively.  I usually don't mind, but I am disgusted at the idea of someday looking back at this life-changing thread 50 or 100 years from now and having to remember those idiots, who otherwise don't deserve to be remembered...
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Corey "Cizzle" Moore on February 13, 2010, 03:16:13 AM
I regret having to delete stuff, but some people are just way too hateful for absolutely no rational reason, and, as years of experience have shown, just cannot be dealt with constructively.  I usually don't mind, but I am disgusted at the idea of someday looking back at this life-changing thread 50 or 100 years from now and having to remember those idiots, who otherwise don't deserve to be remembered...


Fair enough I suppose.  I was half joking btw
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: mikehz on February 13, 2010, 10:12:15 AM
I once went 3 years w/o sex, sometimes it was very difficult saying no and I would have to be careful about the situations I put myself in.  It was good for me.

 :shock: You have more willpower than I do. A couple years ago while on a backpacking trip, I had to go without for two weeks. It was a LONG two weeks!
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: John Shaw on February 13, 2010, 10:41:19 AM
Alex, your intellect is a drop of piss in an ocean of the minds of your betters. Your mind is tiny and weak. You have nothing. Go die already.

In before anything you say, which will undoubtedly be stupid.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: davann on February 13, 2010, 01:36:39 PM
So asexuality is a reaction to latent homosexuality?  Should have known.

Heck no, I experienced the most same-sex attraction in my teens (and always to younger boys, but without really thinking about the mechanics of homosexual sex) and it declined from there.  The idea of abusing either end of the digestive system in that way disgusts me.  And it was mostly an experiment in open-mindedness - I've always preferred girls, and I've been attracted to girls for as long as I can remember myself.


You should explore this area more, Alex, with a trained professional. "Pedophilia" is commonly used as the most offensive way to label some one but is an actual attraction for a minority of the population. Could your desire to be asexual stem from attractions you can not act upon? What you summed up in your reply sounds like the clinical definition of what I suspect as typical pedophilia.

My guess is most pedophiles end up being asexual due to a lack of physical attraction to people of legal age and the non existent pool of those they are attracted to along with the fact the physical attraction never really leads to a real enough desire to act upon their attraction.Or to put in another way, the attraction is at odds with their humanity and not wanting to harm another person and they are only left with the option of asexual.  Although, "option" really is not the right word.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 13, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
Nope, lost interest.

Sexual entrapment is yet another weapon the government fucks will no longer be able to use against me!  :D


PS:  what is Shaw trying to overcompensate for this time?  He's been even more pushy than usual since I started this thread...


Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Rillion on February 13, 2010, 02:49:02 PM
So asexuality is a reaction to latent homosexuality?  Should have known.

Heck no, I experienced the most same-sex attraction in my teens (and always to younger boys,

What you summed up in your reply sounds like the clinical definition of what I suspect as typical pedophilia.

Uh, no.  Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children by adults.   When you were a teenage boy attracted to younger girls, were you a pedophile?
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: davann on February 13, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
So asexuality is a reaction to latent homosexuality?  Should have known.

Heck no, I experienced the most same-sex attraction in my teens (and always to younger boys,

What you summed up in your reply sounds like the clinical definition of what I suspect as typical pedophilia.

Uh, no.  Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children by adults.   When you were a teenage boy attracted to younger girls, were you a pedophile?

Nope, have always like older women. Even as a pre-pubescent myself Farah Fawcettt and the rest of Charlie's Angels tripped my trigger. To call my sexuality, even as a teenager, into question diverts from the subject and I can not help but suspect it was meant as a subtle personal attack. It also reinforces peoples fear of talking about pedophilia in a neutral manner, which does no one any good. If it is not understood how can it be dealt with?

Teens are young adults.Quote from Alex : my teens (and always to younger boys. This along with Alex's history of dropping hints, or at times outright proclamations,  on the boards in relation to this subject gave me enough to diagnose a possible reason for his proclaimed asexualness. Alex stated he wished to discuss this topic in a serious way and I gave my honest take on it.

Lately, it appears Alex is losing his grip. My suggestion to seek professional help is sincere and I hope it is in no way taken as an assault.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Rillion on February 13, 2010, 05:36:44 PM
Nope, have always like older women. Even as a pre-pubescent myself Farah Fawcettt and the rest of Charlie's Angels tripped my trigger. To call my sexuality, even as a teenager, into question diverts from the subject and I can not help but suspect it was meant as a subtle personal attack.

No, it's meant to point out that if being sexually attracted to younger people as a teenager by itself makes someone a pedophile, then most men on the planet are pedophiles.  But obviously most men are not pedophiles, because that's not what "pedophile" means.  If Libman had said he was sexually attracted to eight year olds, then calling him a pedophile would make sense...especially if he was still attracted to them as an adult. 

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Teens are young adults.Quote from Alex : my teens (and always to younger boys. This along with Alex's history of dropping hints, or at times outright proclamations,  on the boards in relation to this subject gave me enough to diagnose a possible reason for his proclaimed asexualness.

Leaving aside everything else he has said, there is nothing wrong with a teenager being attracted to younger boys if those boys are not dramatically younger. 
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 13, 2010, 08:27:40 PM




There are some reputations that can never be fixed.  For everything else, there's...

(http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/pedo-card.jpg)
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 14, 2010, 07:14:20 PM
(Whenever someone makes a crack about my sexuality on another thread, I will reply on this one instead.)


[...]  I doubt that he is trolling about all the pedo stuff, though.  [...]

All jokes aside, the only thing unusual about the mental ephebophilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia) which exists on the very periphery of my psychosexual framework is my willingness to discuss it openly, and only because irrational prejudices against this condition constitute the greatest threat to intellectual freedom on the Internet.  I wouldn't want to have sex with a teenager in real life even if you paid me to!  (OK, everyone has his price, but mine would be seven digits because my self-esteem is invested quite firmly in the fact that I never acted on those peripheral sexual urges, and never will.)


You mean send him one of those Thor horse dildos plus a lifetime supply of lube?
Would this be acceptable his self proclaimed asexual ultimate philosophy of life?

No, it wouldn't be.  I have no sexual affinity for horses, nor for any other violations of my digestive system.  The lifetime supply of lube might be useful insofar as regular masturbation wastes less time and mental energy than total abstinence and all the psycho-chemical changes it brings (aggression, etc), but an asexual person lowers the importance of masturbation to resemble any other necessary bodily function, about as time-consuming and enjoyable as urinating, defecating, maxing out on the bench-press, or brushing my teeth.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 14, 2010, 08:22:51 PM
ephebophilia does not exist, it should not be a paraphilia to be attracted to a sexually mature woman, or man
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 14, 2010, 08:53:52 PM
Then there's no such thing as pedophilia.  I don't think anyone is actually attracted to kids under 12-13.  I've never seen kiddy porn that looked younger than that (though it's been almost a decade since I've last looked), and if you look at pedophile fiction (http://nifty.guiltygroups.com/nifty/index.html) (which isn't illegal (yet), but unfortunately it's more associated with homosexuality than I would have liked) you'll find that most of the subjects are high-school-aged teens.





In other news, I've been experimenting with adjusting my masturbation habits to my self-directed asexual psychology.  I deleted all my porn torrents, and, just as an experiment, I tried masturbating to a playlist of videos like this:

[youtube=425,350]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZbPLqxg3yCQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZbPLqxg3yCQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]

... trying to watch and listen attentively instead of thinking about the sexual experience.  The idea here is to try to disassociate the mental and the physical, just as I can lift weights while watching the same political YouTube videos without necessarily thinking about my muscles, or like reading in the bathroom.  It took me about 10 minutes to reach an orgasm, and I quickly reacquired an erection, continued stimulating myself physically, and had another orgasm about 15 minutes later - which is all very typical for me.  I had some sexual thoughts during the process, of course, but I was trying to deemphasize them.  My loss of mental focus on the videos was significant, but not much more significant than when exerting myself with heavy dumbbells instead.

I'm still undecided if I should limit myself to 1 masturbation session and 1 orgasm per day, or maybe every other day, but mental disassociation away from pornography is definitely a good idea.  And it has the positive side-effect of making it ever-harder for government thugs to plant something on me - if I'm going to jail it's for tax resistance and nothing less!
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on February 14, 2010, 10:13:17 PM
Pedophilia is attraction to someone who is not sexually mature.

After the person is sexually mature . . . well, it's just a question of legality.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Alex Libman on August 17, 2010, 10:28:50 PM
One doesn't come across dramatizations of asexuality very often, but it was handled pretty well in an episode of Star Trek DS9 called The Forsaken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forsaken_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine)).  From the script (http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/417.htm):

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[Commander's office]

(doorbell)

SISKO: Come in. Yes, Odo.

ODO: Commander, I have a problem.

SISKO: Quark again?

ODO: No, sir, this one's named Lwaxana.

SISKO: Lwaxana Troi the Ambassador?

ODO: That's her. There was a minor incident at the bar that I helped her with, and now she's grateful.

SISKO: What's the problem?

ODO: The manner in which she expresses her gratitude. To be honest, Commander, she seems interested in me.

SISKO: What's wrong with that?

ODO: She's extremely aggressive.

SISKO: I see. So, she's after you.

ODO: Like a Wanoni tracehound.

SISKO: Have you thought of letting her catch you?

ODO: Sir?

SISKO: A little romance, Odo.

ODO: I have six pylons that need a complete security sweep. I don't have time for romantic interludes. Frankly, in my humble opinion, most of you humanoids spend far too much time on your respective mating rituals.

SISKO: It does help the procreation of one's species.

ODO: Procreation does not require changing how you smell, or writing bad poetry, or sacrificing various plants to serve as tokens of affection. In any event, it's all irrelevant to me.

SISKO: I'm sorry to hear that.

ODO: I would appreciate it if you would do something about this woman.

SISKO: Me?

ODO: Just tell her to leave me alone.

SISKO: Constable, you can handle thieves and killers but not one Betazoid woman?

ODO: I understand thieves and killers. I don't understand her.

SISKO: I can't help you, Odo.

ODO: I'm just trying to avoid a diplomatic incident. I don't want to insult the Ambassador.

SISKO: A reasonable concern. I suggest you handle the matter with great delicacy.

ODO: I don't handle delicacy very well.

Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: Robin Police on August 23, 2010, 08:23:27 PM
I'm a crazy agoraphobic lesbian. Getting out of the house to check the mail once a day is an achievement for me.

Sexy potluck time.
Title: Re: Rational rejection of interpersonal sex.
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on August 23, 2010, 11:53:39 PM
I'm a crazy agoraphobic lesbian. Getting out of the house to check the mail once a day is an achievement for me.

Sexy potluck time.

Now das Madchen von Zeit is forced to go out every other weekday to look for a job.

You can only huddle in your parents' apartment for a certain time before they start wanting you to pay rent...