Premeditated provocation by so-called "peace activists" ends in bloodshed

[avshae]

But once it was off the agenda I realized that I was kind of tired of talking about the Flotilla.

You mean the window of opportunity to throw dirt at Israel is gone now that all the facts are out in the open, videos and all, and it is clear for everyone to see that the Turks sent an Islamo-facsist war-party over Israel's way, and Israel reacted with the exact amount of force that was called for under the circumstances.

I was sitting in the Richmond City Council meeting yesterday waiting for the Israeli condemnation resolution to come up for discussion.

Are you serious? When is your city council voting on the Turkish condmenation resolution?
Also, I'm thinking maybe I should get the Netanya City Council to vote on a resolution to condemn the US government for Obamas new meek policies towards mideast tyrants such as Ahmedinejad and Assad?

[The Muslim Agorist]

But once it was off the agenda I realized that I was kind of tired of talking about the Flotilla.

You mean the window of opportunity to throw dirt at Israel is gone now that all the facts are out in the open, videos and all, and it is clear for everyone to see that the Turks sent an Islamo-facsist war-party over Israel's way, and Israel reacted with the exact amount of force that was called for under the circumstances.

Well... actually I completely disagree. Mostly I'm tired of talking about it because the pro Israeli protestations have devolved in to a loop. I mean come on... "Islamo-fascist war-party" met with "the exact amount of force that was called for" just sounds like sarcasm.

I was sitting in the Richmond City Council meeting yesterday waiting for the Israeli condemnation resolution to come up for discussion.

Are you serious?

Actually, I completely agree. I went more to cover the story than to give my support. I spent more time talking with the pro Israeli demonstrators. (who were obnoxiously misinformed... or just lying) I said this in another thread, but apparently you prefer the threads where you hold the kill switch, but basically Paul Larudee who was beaten by IDF for going limp is a Richmond resident and personal friends with the Mayor. (she must be a stealth Jihadist trying to implement Sharia law in America  ) I personally could care less whether or not it passes.

[avshae]

Wrapping up with some facts after the dust has settled. (Die-hard Islamic Terrorism supporters might wanna bury their head in the sand rather than watch these videos.)

http://wejew.com/media/9036/IDF_Flotilla_Video_Incident_Timeline:_Part_1_of_2/

http://wejew.com/media/9037/IDF_Flotilla_Video_Incident_Timeline:_Part_2_of_2/

[Riddler]

movie producer was a jew

[MacFall]

Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

And how do you justify such aggression against a non-aggressor?

Although that's not even a good comparison here; a better question would be do you have the right to shoot people who are being charitable to someone who happens to be of the same nationality as the person throwing bombs at you. But since you have demonstrated that you are a stark raving collectivist when it comes to Middle Eastern politics I don't expect that to make any difference to you.

[TheHx]

What's wrong with provocation in the face of tyranny and oppression? The terrorist state of Izrael was shown to be precisely what it is with that incident, a regime of bloodthirsty nazis.

Don't get me wrong.

I hate the governments of Palestine and Iran and all the fundamentalist Islamist regimes as well. They like to hang gay people and stone women to death. I am against all theocratic governments, and indeed all governments. Period.

[blackie]

Wrapping up with some facts after the dust has settled. (Die-hard Islamic Terrorism supporters might wanna bury their head in the sand rather than watch these videos.)

http://wejew.com/media/9036/IDF_Flotilla_Video_Incident_Timeline:_Part_1_of_2/

http://wejew.com/media/9037/IDF_Flotilla_Video_Incident_Timeline:_Part_2_of_2/

Those are facts? 

How many people were shot in the feet?

I don't have time to look right now, but it should be pretty easy to figure out where people were shot.  Aiming at leg maybe, but aiming at feet sounds like bullshit.

Also, if soldiers were shot by the activists, why hasn't any ballistic evidence been released to back up this claim? My guess is that it was friendly fire.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

And how do you justify such aggression against a non-aggressor?

Although that's not even a good comparison here; a better question would be do you have the right to shoot people who are being charitable to someone who happens to be of the same nationality as the person throwing bombs at you. But since you have demonstrated that you are a stark raving collectivist when it comes to Middle Eastern politics I don't expect that to make any difference to you.

By aiding the aggressor you are an aggressor as well.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

And how do you justify such aggression against a non-aggressor?

Although that's not even a good comparison here; a better question would be do you have the right to shoot people who are being charitable to someone who happens to be of the same nationality as the person throwing bombs at you. But since you have demonstrated that you are a stark raving collectivist when it comes to Middle Eastern politics I don't expect that to make any difference to you.

By aiding the aggressor you are an aggressor as well.  See Communist Russia giving nukes to Cuba, Communist China funding/arming the Vietcong, and Iran arming Hamas and Hizbullah.

What I find interesting in those three situations I just mentioned is that the US and Israel have completely avoided going after the folks who made some aggression possible by arming aggressors.  Maybe there's some hidden conspiracy somewhere but I doubt it, I think in those cases the US was simply too scared to go after the root of the problem, which is fine and rational.

I will say a little theory I have right now though, yet I have not exactly finalized it.  Right now the US is fighting a proxy war (and winning) against Iran, Syria, and a sect of rich Saudis who are funding Islamic terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan.  I hope it ends up being successful and that more of the Middle East can be "Westernized" because that will mean less war.  We haven't seen any war between westernized countries in over 50 years, only wars between barbaric Eastern cultures vs. Western cultures (see Communist China vs. US "pseudo-free markets" in Vietnam & Korea, and Islamic fundamentalism vs. US secularism in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Something I find interesting in the modern history of war is that all of the modern wars were instigated by barbaric Eastern collectivist slave cultures (Islamic fundamentalism and Eastern Communism) trying to expand their influence and regional dominance (and eventually losing, as I hope the case may be wrt Islamic fundamentalism).  Communists tried to take over non-Communist Korea and Vietnam.  Islamic Fundamentalists are trying to take over Israel and Turkey and push Western secularist influence out of the Middle East.  We can see they are losing horribly in Israel, and more slowly against NATO and the US, because of the inevitable technological superiority that always will rise out of a secular culture that embraces scientific advancement over religious slave mentality. 

If all that is collectivising, then fine.  But there is a necessity to generalize to a certain extent when talking about large groups of people.  I realize the majority of my post went completely off topic, and fine, I totally went ADD on this post and kinda went with it because I had some ideas I wanted to write down, sorry.

So I'll get back to a main point of your post, that I am using too much collectivism wrt ME politics.  Any generalization I make should be considered to hold the caveat "most, but definitely not ALL".  When I say that Israel has a secular culture, I mean that most, but not all folks in Israel don't give one damn or another about religion.  When I say that Iran and Saudi Arabia and Syria have an Islamic fundamentalist culture, I mean that most folks that matter there are Islamic fundamentalists with slave culture mentalities, but in no way should that construe that all people in those countries are idiot Islamic fundamentalists.  Of course all Russians and Chinese weren't barbaric Communists, the ones that got caught were sent to the Gulags.

Of course there is a minority of people everywhere that wouldn't qualify to any generalization made one way or another.  But one can make generalizations with that caveat understood and be completely correct. 

If I were to say, "Muslims and Christians hate gay people", that is a collectivist generalization.  Is it wrong?  No, but it's not completely correct either.  So far as I know, you and Davi don't hate gay people.  But if you understand the underlying caveat I described above, and then the statement is completely correct.  "Most Muslims and Christians hate gay people".  Is that a collectivist generalization?  Yes, but it is still true.

So please, when you see me make a generalization, realize that I have that caveat underlying any statement I make.  I am not completely naive.