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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Xm8Irz-so

This video seems to show at at least so of the folks fought the soldiers with weapons.  Case closed I guess.
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You should look up the word piracy. A maritime blockade is a completely legal action as part of an armed conflict.

Do you really not know that no one here cares what's legal?  It used to be legal to gas jews, would that be ok with you, if it were legal?

We were talking about international law. It has never been legal by international law to gas Jews, or any other group per se. You'd need a 3 inch fat book to describe all the humanitarian law violations committed by the Nazi regime.


It is funny the only time people run to "international law" is when they are doing something wrong. Think about it. Why would a sovereign nation ever willingly submit to international law unless their backs are against the wall?

Politicians do not give up their power so easily. It is only when they fuck up that they run to a higher authority to justify their actions.

The U.S. rarely does this because we are the highest law. Israel might want to remember this.
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You should look up the word piracy. A maritime blockade is a completely legal action as part of an armed conflict.

Do you really not know that no one here cares what's legal?  It used to be legal to gas jews, would that be ok with you, if it were legal?

We were talking about international law. It has never been legal by international law to gas Jews, or any other group per se. You'd need a 3 inch fat book to describe all the humanitarian law violations committed by the Nazi regime.


It is funny the only time people run to "international law" is when they are doing something wrong. Think about it. Why would a sovereign nation ever willingly submit to international law unless their backs are against the wall?

Politicians do not give up their power so easily. It is only when they fuck up that they run to a higher authority to justify their actions.

The U.S. rarely does this because we are the highest law. Israel might want to remember this.
You are a retard.  Seriously, you're making threats against the Jewish people on behalf of the United States of America now?  Dude I think you've gone off the deep end and are truly delirious now.  I mean, I think your hatred is clouding your perceptions of reality.  In the other thread you mentioned how the Jews should be pushed into the sea and now you are suggesting that the USA would do so?  You are seriously mentally deficient.  With a perception as warped as that I'm surprised you can even drive a motor vehicle.
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You should look up the word piracy. A maritime blockade is a completely legal action as part of an armed conflict.

Do you really not know that no one here cares what's legal?  It used to be legal to gas jews, would that be ok with you, if it were legal?

We were talking about international law. It has never been legal by international law to gas Jews, or any other group per se. You'd need a 3 inch fat book to describe all the humanitarian law violations committed by the Nazi regime.


It is funny the only time people run to "international law" is when they are doing something wrong. Think about it. Why would a sovereign nation ever willingly submit to international law unless their backs are against the wall?

Politicians do not give up their power so easily. It is only when they fuck up that they run to a higher authority to justify their actions.

The U.S. rarely does this because we are the highest law. Israel might want to remember this.
You are a retard.  Seriously, you're making threats against the Jewish people on behalf of the United States of America now?  Dude I think you've gone off the deep end and are truly delirious now.  I mean, I think your hatred is clouding your perceptions of reality.  In the other thread you mentioned how the Jews should be pushed into the sea and now you are suggesting that the USA would do so?  You are seriously mentally deficient.  With a perception as warped as that I'm surprised you can even drive a motor vehicle.

Pointing out the obvious that the U.S. central government sees itself and truly believes itself to be the highest law does not make me mentality deficient. It actually shows I have a grasp of reality. All it will take is a group of politicos that have not been paid off by AIPAC to get into office to bring that law down on the heads of Israelis. With the civil unrest, being evidenced by the results of primary elections here at home, this is a real possibility.

While AIPAC is quick on its feet there is only so much they can do. For instance, they quickly got to Palin the day after McCain announced her as his running mate. But they will not be able to respond to all the new blood that is due to be ushered in with the upcoming elections.

I said Israel will be pushed into the sea eventually if it continues to act like a major offensive player on the world stage, which it is not. That fact is a simple matter of numbers.

To be fair I did phrase my statement in a collectivist way. This was done to communicate better with the intended audience. Pro-Terrorist-Israel people, from what I've experienced, tend to think in such ways and respond better to it. I've been working on the "know your audience" form of communication.
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You should look up the word piracy. A maritime blockade is a completely legal action as part of an armed conflict.

Do you really not know that no one here cares what's legal?  It used to be legal to gas jews, would that be ok with you, if it were legal?

We were talking about international law....

Oh... INTERNATIONAL LAW.... that changes, nothing

Forcefully preventing hungry people from having fishing poles is unforgivable no matter what any words on any paper says.  I don't care about individual jewish people but the nation of Israel combined with the specific jews on this forum makes that a difficult perspective to maintain.
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Forcefully preventing hungry people from having fishing poles is unforgivable no matter what any words on any paper says. 

There is a state of armed conflict with Hamas in Gaza, which Hamas initiated. Hence the border is closed for transfer of goods (barring 15K trucks a day of what is deemed humanitarian aid). You can't force one side in a conflict to supply the other side, under the pretense of morality. Can I force you to give you neighbor a gift if he throws rocks at your house everyday? And will your mind change if your neighbor tries to pressurize you by going around saying how miserable he is because you're not giving him any gifts?

Besides, they can make their own fishing rods instead of weeping to the media how unfair the eeveel isra-eelees are treating them (I made one when I was 10).

 
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Get it through your thick skull. If I give a fishing pole to a Palestinian YOU didn't give a fishing pole to a Palestinian. Nobody is asking Israel to give fishing poles to Palestinians. They are asking Israel to stop shooting people who try.

The question is not can I force you to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house. The question is can you force me not to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house.

What possible reason could there be to prevent humanitarian aid in the form of fishing rods, writing implements, and fabric? At the very least will you stop calling it a "Weapons Inspection?"
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Get it through your thick skull. If I give a fishing pole to a Palestinian YOU didn't give a fishing pole to a Palestinian. Nobody is asking Israel to give fishing poles to Palestinians. They are asking Israel to stop shooting people who try.

The question is not can I force you to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house. The question is can you force me not to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house.

What possible reason could there be to prevent humanitarian aid in the form of fishing rods, writing implements, and fabric? At the very least will you stop calling it a "Weapons Inspection?"
Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.
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Get it through your thick skull. If I give a fishing pole to a Palestinian YOU didn't give a fishing pole to a Palestinian. Nobody is asking Israel to give fishing poles to Palestinians. They are asking Israel to stop shooting people who try.

The question is not can I force you to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house. The question is can you force me not to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house.

What possible reason could there be to prevent humanitarian aid in the form of fishing rods, writing implements, and fabric? At the very least will you stop calling it a "Weapons Inspection?"
Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

And then you end up with two people, instead of one, throwing explosives at your home. Good strategy. This is exactly why in the end many many innocent Israelis are gonna suffer. If all you pro-Israel/anti-Palastine people really cared abut Israel you would be looking for ways to end this shit. Not defending more blood shed.
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Get it through your thick skull. If I give a fishing pole to a Palestinian YOU didn't give a fishing pole to a Palestinian. Nobody is asking Israel to give fishing poles to Palestinians. They are asking Israel to stop shooting people who try.

The question is not can I force you to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house. The question is can you force me not to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house.

What possible reason could there be to prevent humanitarian aid in the form of fishing rods, writing implements, and fabric? At the very least will you stop calling it a "Weapons Inspection?"
Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

And then you end up with two people, instead of one, throwing explosives at your home. Good strategy. This is exactly why in the end many many innocent Israelis are gonna suffer. If all you pro-Israel/anti-Palastine people really cared abut Israel you would be looking for ways to end this shit. Not defending more blood shed.
OK I'm a bad person because I don't let people give explosives and other gifts to the person who is throwing explosives at my house?  You're a fucking retard.  You're also delusional.  You were making threats to all Jews and Israel on behalf of the United States, like anyone gives a damn what you think.
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Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

The people who are getting the fishing poles are not necessarily the people who are shooting the rockets.

If you can prove to me that an individual shot a rocket at innocent people, then I'd probably agree with you.  But you can't prove that the people getting the fishing rods are the people shooting the rockets.  You are therefore preventing trade between peaceful people.
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Get it through your thick skull. If I give a fishing pole to a Palestinian YOU didn't give a fishing pole to a Palestinian. Nobody is asking Israel to give fishing poles to Palestinians. They are asking Israel to stop shooting people who try.

The question is not can I force you to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house. The question is can you force me not to give a gift to the neighbor who throws rocks at your house.

What possible reason could there be to prevent humanitarian aid in the form of fishing rods, writing implements, and fabric? At the very least will you stop calling it a "Weapons Inspection?"
Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

And then you end up with two people, instead of one, throwing explosives at your home. Good strategy. This is exactly why in the end many many innocent Israelis are gonna suffer. If all you pro-Israel/anti-Palastine people really cared abut Israel you would be looking for ways to end this shit. Not defending more blood shed.
OK I'm a bad person because I don't let people give explosives and other gifts to the person who is throwing explosives at my house?  You're a fucking retard.  You're also delusional.  You were making threats to all Jews and Israel on behalf of the United States, like anyone gives a damn what you think.
You wrote “giving gifts”, not “giving explosives”. Which is it? I do believe you are a bad person for believing you have the right to restrict my freedom to give gifts to whom I wish to, very much like a statist.  It is clear you do not understand actions have consequences nor understand long term geopolitical strategy. Or maybe you actually do believe Israelis are god’s people and he will crush her enemies with fire and brimstone. Maybe turn a few into pillars of salt for good measure. If that is the case, delusional would be a good topic to discuss.

If you bothered to read the reply to your emotional response claiming I am threatening all Jews you would understand I am not making threats. I am pointing out the obvious. Your emotions are clouding your thinking I believe.

Israel, just like the U.S., is pushing for a violent day of reckoning. Why would a person cheer for or defend such a thing?
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Forcefully preventing hungry people from having fishing poles is unforgivable no matter what any words on any paper says. 

There is a state of armed conflict with Hamas in Gaza, which Hamas initiated.
 

Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.  The fighting started in 1948 when some assholes came along and decided to steal a bunch of land in the name of yahweh.
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Excellent clarification of the real question here.  My answer is yes, I can force you not to give gifts to someone who is throwing explosives in the general vicinity of my home.

The people who are getting the fishing poles are not necessarily the people who are shooting the rockets.

If you can prove to me that aI e preventing trade between peaceful people.
Look, I agree that it seems stupid that they won't let fishing poles across the border, I'm not a blind robot that simply parrots opinions.  But at the same time I am also saying that what the item is doesn't really matter.  The terrorist "government" of Gaza put themselves into a state of war with their neighbor.  Hamas did that.  So now everyone in Gaza gets to live with their government's decisions.  And that shit really sucks.  If Hamas could go away tomorrow and just dissappear into obscurity I'm sure Gaza's conditions would improve vastly.  If Hamas would put down the RPG's, or simply move to Iran (where they seem to be getting most of their backing from), then regular Gazan folks could live better lives, as well as Israeli folks.

So lets focus on how to get rid of Hamas, or at least how to neuter Hamas effectively, instead of hating on Israel.
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The terrorist "government" of Gaza put themselves into a state of war with their neighbor.  Hamas did that.  So now everyone in Gaza gets to live with their government's decisions.  And that shit really sucks.  

The terrorist "government" of the U.S. put themselves into a state of war with Iraq, Afganastan and parts of Parkistan. Republocrats did that. So now everyone in the U.S. gets to live with their governments decisions. And that really sucks.

Or to put it another way, 9/11 sucked but at least it was justified.
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